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F1 point system doesn't work here. New system suggested

I understand the F1 point system but I think it does not work on iGP. Why I think that? There are 5 main reasons:

1. Never DNS. There are no mechanical failures or touches between drivers here, the only way to be disqualified is to run out of fuel. So if you are disqualified F1 does not mean a big gap of points with those who have not been in the top 10, however if you fall far behind in an iGP race it will never be for disqualification, but because you deserve it or because You failed the strategy.

2. Too much regularity. Linked to the previous reason, since there are no disqualifications or mechanical failures, it is easy for the more developed teams to hoard all the points, making it more difficult for the teams of medium and low board to get points. This is unfair to those who are disputing the permanence in a category, since the most usual is that almost all there are 0 points and although one of those managers get better results in all races, if the other has his lucky day and reach of the top 10 will be saved from the descent.

3. More cars. In F1 they usually compete an average of 20 cars, in iGP with a full league can be up to 32, which means that there are always 12 more cars that do not score compared to F1, which is more than double, something illogical for iGP.

4. New managers. It is common for a manager to join the league already started, which means development of the car 0, this usually means that it will be almost impossible for that manager to score, something that could get if the range of points was higher. Compete throughout the season means more opportunities to get points, something these new managers do not have.

5. Extra motivation. Entering the top 10 can be a difficult goal, even impossible for many managers (in an active league), which makes it easy for those managers to get discouraged. It is not the same to fight for a position 15 without points than for a 15 position with points. The difference is that if you fight for points is reflected in the effort of the season, and that is much more satisfying.

So I think at least we should use a system like the one in MotoGP where they score 15 drivers but I definitely propose a system where they score 20 like this:

1. 35 | 6 difference with the next
2. 29 | 5 difference with the next
3. 24 | 4 difference with the next
4. 20 | 3 difference with the next
5. 17 | 2 difference with the next
6. 15 | 1 difference with the next from now
7. 14
8. 13
9. 12
10. 11
11. 10
12. 9
13. 8
14. 7
15. 6
16. 5
17. 4
18. 3
19. 2
20. 1

Of course, if implemented this new system should not affect the current seasons.

Good point here, what about leagues with a lot fewer cars?
Will they keep the current system?

Interesting point well made.

I hadn't thought too much about it but in more active leagues it makes more sense to have more points awarded. So as Troy touched on perhaps lower active leagues should have fewer points awarded. Basically, a dynamic system that awards points determined by the number of teams at the Start of the season (therefore no changes mid season).
Alternatively I think iGp must have some scoring system in the background because it does sort 0 point teams by performance, so maybe this could simply be made more visible.

So basically, a points system similar to what IndyCar does.

It's like indycar anyway. In the active leagues and in elite especially, everyone just following the drs train until the last lap then using kers. And it'll be cool to add the points for leading the race, and for the fastest lap too

Why would you reward the fastest lap? Makes no sense to me. What they could do is add a tab to your account wich says how many times you would have won the fastest lap award.
For the point system i think the host should be able to choose from the old one or the one mentioned above.

Atleast there's no oval tracks here in iGP

Scoring points is the motivation the new managers get.That's the reward that his/her deserved after the hard works he/she had including making the cars faster,training drivers,making the right strategy call.And then with the new point system you mentioned,he/she would be like "okay let's just make a strategy,Idc where I finish,I mean,the lowest point-paying position is 20th place.That doesn't include the leagues where only 20 teams(1 car) or 10 teams(2 car) are in.I mean,Those points are not to be given free to everyone,they are to be earned by someone who deserves them

Yeah need more teams scoring points, maybe not top 20 because of less populated leagues, maybe top 15 as a compromise but top 10 is not enough with 32 active cars on the grid, 22 drivers dont score points every race. this game only loosly based on F1 so having its own points system should be ok.

Plus if u DNF with parts failures or fueling should not score points.

The problem with increasing the points positions is that someone could be active for the first 4-5 races finishing 1st & 2nd and then not turn up for the rest of the season & still win the championship because they are earning points without being active.

Teams that don't take part in practice & have no setup should be forced to do a 1 stop strategy using hard tyres on push level 1. That will force people to be active.

I agree

Thanks for the thread support. My proposal comes from my experience in my league, which is full and very active in all its categories. It is clear that in a league with 8 managers it would not be necessary to change the scoring system. But to be fair, most serious and active leagues are full, it is rare to see an incomplete league where everyone is active, and if they are your goal will be to gather more people. And as we know in a league with 2 cars the descents are only activated from 15 managers.



That makes sense in the Indy, where making the fastest lap has merit, and where leading the race has nothing to do with winning it.



I agree, choosing the scoring system would please everyone.



When in a real competitive league, where to reach the points is more than setups and tightening the kers, half the managers have 0 points seems too discouraging. The points, rather than being a goal or a motivation for someone, exist to classify the effort of the managers along (in this case) 17 races, if half of the managers have 0 points that system is not worth to classify anything.



I do not know what you mean exactly but even if they score 20 cars, nobody will score without being active. In addition, it is extremely rare for someone who is fighting for the championship to be inactive if he has not mathematically won.

James mean that after 4-5 races,The team that scored 1 & 2 for those races will have 64 x 4 or 5 = 276 or 320 points if that point system is added.And if no one can be in 1st and 2nd place consistently.The team that wins the first 4-5 races will win the championship(mathematically)

I'm sorry, I still do not understand, if you've been 3 and 4 in the previous 4-5 races you only have to do 1 and 2 in the next 2 races (304-348) to beat the inactive and there would still be 10-11 races remaining . So please do not use the word "mathematically" in vain. But I do not understand that this has to do with the scoring system, it would happen almost the same regardless of the point system.

Just use motoGP's / World superbike's top 15 points configuration if 35 points for a win is too high, those players that scratch around everyrace doing setup but score 0 or 1 point for a whole season when they had several 12th-15th will have something to show for there efforts.

1=25
2=20
3=16
4=13
5=11
6=10
7= 9
8= 8
9= 7
10=6
11=5
12=4
13=3
14=2
15=1

http://www.motorsportsetc.com/info/points.htm

Go with Grand AM 30 cars score points 31 & 32 misses out?

If they add crashes and failures long as you are not one of the first 2 cars to crash out you will be rewarded points ;)

In active leagues it really gets harder to break into the points regions if even contenders for a Top3 championship position are struggling to get into points on their weaker races. For all without points, or only one race scoring, having one (lucky) best result beating all efforts in the 16 other races doesn't sounds that good indeed.

The Grand Am awards a little bit few points for a victory. My favourites would be motoGP/WSBK or slightly adapted IndyCar with points continuing to go down for each place and so 1 point for 29th and 0 for the 30s. I slightly prefer motoGP for some reason but the IndyCar one might be the better suited to give every race some weight, maybe even more so for 1 car leagues.

If there's fear that, especially on more casual leagues, some missed race due to real life circumstances carries too much weight there could be the possibility to do it like the F1 of old to not count the X worst results. At least that should be an optional league host/vote decision though, but it would be best if leagues could select from 2 or 3 point system choices.

I don't see the problem with giving points to everyone in the league.... It would keep motivation to new drivers that really have no reason to be here.. it's not fun always ending towards the tail with no reward... But I'm also the guy that thinks you should receive money for winning races or pay top 5 at end of season.. most don't agree tho

I don't see a problem with giving everyone points either but what I don't like is that the 18th to 24th (12) and 25th to last (10) gets the same amounts of points with the IndyCar system.

Edit: Reading again I'm not sure if the post above was meant as a direct reply to my post or rather a general statement about the topic.

More of a general statement.. I agree give everyone a different amount of points... I mean i dont mind the way it o
Is as my teams do prettt well.. But the league i run has so many teams that join for 1 or 2 races then away they go... Just thinking that would keep noobs more entertained