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Weather bug with starting tyre

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medal 5000
5 years 354 days ago
What did you try to do?
Started me on Inters when dry and track was 0.4mm. Advanced settings says IF RAINING

What happened instead?
It started me on Inters when it should have started me on Softs

Did the bug happen in the app, on PC, or both?
Both:

What is the model of your device?
Laptop and Samsung S7

What is the operating system?
Android

What is the version number of the operating system?
7.1

What operating system is your PC?
Windows 7

Which browser did you experience the problem in?
Chrome

Can the bug be reproduced?
Yes it can be re-produced. Please don't close the thread so I can elaborate on the whole issue.
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medal 5000
5 years 354 days ago
So when I went to setup my car it had stopped raining but the water on the track was 5mm. Now it was quickly reducing every time I tested my tyres within the space of a few seconds of each other. Now due to their being water on the track it meant that you could not get a proper reading for what the tyre percentage would be for the Softs and Super Softs as they were coming in as 1% due to the rainfall, although it was clearly obvious that by the time of the race that virtually all, if not all of the water would be gone.

So when qualifying was shown, it displayed that many of us would be on Inter's, whilst a few would be on Softs. Now I had not set my Advanced strategy, I had left it on default. Now when the race started, the water on the track was 0.4mm and yet someone else who had setup to start the race on Softs and the game had displayed that they would be starting on Inter's, was suddenly starting the race on Softs. Now this meant that for all of us who had started on Inter's we now would be forced into an early pitstop and would already be out of contention of being able to win the race due to the game's vulnerability of starting us on incorrect tyres.

Now you might say, well we did announce that if you do not setup the advance strategy then the game will decide which will be the 'Best' tyres for you to use come the start of the race. Now firstly the wording in the Advance Strategy says 'IF IT'S RAINING AND WATER REACHES'. Now it was not raining so therefore my cars should have started the race with my settings which were Softs and not the game taking over and incorrectly deciding for me to start on Inter's.

So for me this really needs looking at. How can it start me on Inter's when it's not raining and only 0.4mm and obviously drying up and also how can it say that it is starting someone else on Inter's and then come the race it starts them on Softs?
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medal 5000 Super Mod
5 years 354 days ago
@Ali
I have escalated this to the devs. You didn't set an advanced strategy so in this particular case the wording would have said Use Intermediate wet tyres If it's raining and water reaches 0 mm
It wasn't raining but the water depth was above the default advanced threshold. Maybe the advanced strategy wording needs to be changed to avoid confusion.
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medal 5000
5 years 354 days ago

Kevin
@Ali
I have escalated this to the devs. You didn't set an advanced strategy so in this particular case the wording would have said Use Intermediate wet tyres If it's raining and water reaches 0 mm
It wasn't raining but the water depth was above the default advanced threshold. Maybe the advanced strategy wording needs to be changed to avoid confusion.



Yeah that's fair enough if the wording is changed but how does it show on Qualifying one particular team will be starting on Inter's and then come start of the race they're on Softs? Clear bug there.


Also we should have more say options available to us in Advance strategy regarding when to use Inter's, Wets etc  Nobody in their right mind would start on Inter's with it 0.4mm and it dry weather, that's just madness that the game would enforce that. At least give us the option to quickly change the starting tyres come the start of the race if we're not happy with what the game has chosen.
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medal 5013 Super Mod
5 years 354 days ago

Ali

but how does it show on Qualifying one particular team will be starting on Inter's and then come start of the race they're on Softs? Clear bug there.


That is not necessarily a bug, only by knowing what he has put as advanced strategy, we can decide if it's a bug or not. In this announcement last week it was stated that "AI now decides what compound to put on, up to a minute before lights out now."

Which means it is possible that that manager had e.g. put inters as tyre in case of water >1mm and soft tyres for when it's drying. In that case, if it's >1mm of water during qualifying, he would qualify on inters. And if it's 0.4mm of water 1 minute before race start, it will swap the car to softs for the race.
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medal 5000
5 years 354 days ago

Gert

Ali

but how does it show on Qualifying one particular team will be starting on Inter's and then come start of the race they're on Softs? Clear bug there.


That is not necessarily a bug, only by knowing what he has put as advanced strategy, we can decide if it's a bug or not. In this announcement last week it was stated that "AI now decides what compound to put on, up to a minute before lights out now."

Which means it is possible that that manager had e.g. put inters as tyre in case of water >1mm and soft tyres for when it's drying. In that case, if it's >1mm of water during qualifying, he would qualify on inters. And if it's 0.4mm of water 1 minute before race start, it will swap the car to softs for the race.



Fair enough if that's the statement that was made and makes sense in that case.  But still there is something clearly wrong if the game quickly reduces the amount of water on the track, it was 5mm just before the cut-off time and then suddenly at the start of the race it's 0.4mm. Take the example of people setting it to use Inter's at 1mm and in game it is no longer raining and is drying out quick, come race time, let's say it's 1.4mm they're going to be screwed as within 3-4 laps (possibly less) the Inter's will be useless and those who had started on Slicks will have a great advantage.


They need to balance this wet weather/strategy out properly so that people are not penalized for no wrong of their own and their race ruined before it's even began.
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medal 5000
5 years 354 days ago
Ali

But still there is something clearly wrong if the game quickly reduces the amount of water on the track, it was 5mm just before the cut-off time and then suddenly at the start of the race it's 0.4mm. 

They need to balance this wet weather/strategy out properly so that people are not penalized for no wrong of their own and their race ruined before it's even began.


A reduced rate of rain clearance was experimented with not too long ago. Not sure if you remember what those settings were like, but the rain would take around 4hrs to clear from 5.0mm standing water, to 0.0mm.


Not sure if you follow F1 or any other motorsports, but a dry racing line usually emerges after 10-15 laps. The settings now, and before the rain rate change, are not only very realistic from a simulation point of view, but adds a nice air of unpredictability and uncertainty, for mixed weather races. Just as it should be :)

Here's the thread with the rain rate change. Although a bit blunt, I think Mike K's first post sums it up pretty well.

igpmanager.com/forum-thread_3/17268
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medal 5000
5 years 354 days ago

Peter
Ali

But still there is something clearly wrong if the game quickly reduces the amount of water on the track, it was 5mm just before the cut-off time and then suddenly at the start of the race it's 0.4mm. 

They need to balance this wet weather/strategy out properly so that people are not penalized for no wrong of their own and their race ruined before it's even began.


A reduced rate of rain clearance was experimented with not too long ago. Not sure if you remember what those settings were like, but the rain would take around 4hrs to clear from 5.0mm standing water, to 0.0mm.


Not sure if you follow F1 or any other motorsports, but a dry racing line usually emerges after 10-15 laps. The settings now, and before the rain rate change, are not only very realistic from a simulation point of view, but adds a nice air of unpredictability and uncertainty, for mixed weather races. Just as it should be :)

Here's the thread with the rain rate change. Although a bit blunt, I think Mike K's first post sums it up pretty well.

igpmanager.com/forum-thread_3/17268


So why not allow those of us who turn up to race live the ability to change the starting tyres when the race goes live, instead of having the AI choose for us and having to do an early pit if it's chosen incorrectly. No reason why we should not be able to do this. Advance strategy as it is, does not give enough flexibility to the user.  As for real life, they're on the track so they get to see exactly how the weather is behaving and accurately assess how quickly the track is drying and can choose what tyres they would like to use right up until they enter the grid can they not? (I don't follow F1)

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medal 5000 Super Mod
5 years 354 days ago
Hi Ali
The problem with allowing teams to change tyres on the grid is that in a dry race every attending manager would qualify on SS to guarantee a high grid position and then switch before the race begins to the most appropriate tyre for the race.

At the end of the day I think we've established this was not so much a bug but a misunderstanding as to how the advanced strategy works and bad luck with the weather, which incidentally is one of the variables that gives a bit of unpredictability to the game. Because it's not a bug I'm going to move this thread to Help & Support section.

In this particular race your team qualified first and second on inters (great qualifying BTW) and finished 4th & 5th about six seconds behind the winner, hardly a total disaster, especially seeing as you didn't set any sort of advanced strategy. The manager who won the race presumably set an advanced strategy which is why his/her cars qualified and started on slicks. IF it had started to rain again a few laps into the race you would have have finished 1-2 and this post would probably never have appeared.

That's the trouble with weather, it's unpredictable, some managers get lucky, some don't.
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medal 5000
5 years 353 days ago

Kevin
Hi Ali
The problem with allowing teams to change tyres on the grid is that in a dry race every attending manager would qualify on SS to guarantee a high grid position and then switch before the race begins to the most appropriate tyre for the race.

At the end of the day I think we've established this was not so much a bug but a misunderstanding as to how the advanced strategy works and bad luck with the weather, which incidentally is one of the variables that gives a bit of unpredictability to the game. Because it's not a bug I'm going to move this thread to Help & Support section.

In this particular race your team qualified first and second on inters (great qualifying BTW) and finished 4th & 5th about six seconds behind the winner, hardly a total disaster, especially seeing as you didn't set any sort of advanced strategy. The manager who won the race presumably set an advanced strategy which is why his/her cars qualified and started on slicks. IF it had started to rain again a few laps into the race you would have have finished 1-2 and this post would probably never have appeared.

That's the trouble with weather, it's unpredictable, some managers get lucky, some don't.



No I would have made this post regardless due to the wording and the fact another player had started on something different than what qualifying said they would start on. At least the issue has been raised and can be addressed regarding the wording. Also if they want to improve upon it, then perhaps give is full control on the advance strategy so we can pick when to use Inter's and when to pick Wets instead of one or the other. Cheers Kevin.
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medal 5000
5 years 352 days ago
OK...tonight it rained sporadically like there was no tomorrow.... I cancelled my pit stop my team was going to make based on my Adv. settings, but they went in anyways. that really took the winds out of any chance to place top 10 tonight.

My question; Are you able to look into my Adv. settings and advice? 
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medal 5000
5 years 352 days ago

Kevin
@Ali
I have escalated this to the devs. You didn't set an advanced strategy so in this particular case the wording would have said Use Intermediate wet tyres If it's raining and water reaches 0 mm
It wasn't raining but the water depth was above the default advanced threshold. Maybe the advanced strategy wording needs to be changed to avoid confusion.




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medal 5000 Super Mod
5 years 352 days ago

Hamlet
OK...tonight it rained sporadically like there was no tomorrow.... I cancelled my pit stop my team was going to make based on my Adv. settings, but they went in anyways. that really took the winds out of any chance to place top 10 tonight.

My question; Are you able to look into my Adv. settings and advice? 



Hi Hamlet.


Your problem appears to be a very different issue to the subject matter of this thread... Starting tyre. Would you please raise this as a new thread in the BUGS section.

As a forum mod I can see nothing more than any normal gamer regarding examining other manager's settings. But if you raise a separate thread as suggested above I will escalate it to the iGP team.

Thanks
Kev.
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medal 5000
5 years 352 days ago
I see you missed out on commenting regarding my last post Kevin.
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medal 5000
5 years 352 days ago
Ali
I see you missed out on commenting regarding my last post Kevin.


Hi Ali.
Not sure what you mean. I had already escalated your original problem to the iGP team which is why Gert became involved.
They are aware of this thread but what Hamlet experienced was different which is why I asked him to raise it as a new thread to avoid confusion.
Please note that I have no influence over what the Devs do or prioritisation of fixes.
Thanks
Kev.
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medal 5000
5 years 351 days ago
Kevin, the more I talk to other players the more convinced i am it was the way I had set up my adv settings... thanks for the read.. 
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medal 5000
5 years 351 days ago
Ali, they listened :-)

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medal 5000
5 years 351 days ago
Does the water on track dry faster in shorter races 
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