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medal 5190
11 years 333 days ago
While this is down to personal mistake, I find that the change to my tires was rather disappointing when it came to qualifying. Like most mondays, I cannot attend the race due to commitments. To the issue: I had a wet weather setup and it changed to dry, to which it changed to the default tire option for Dry Weather (Hards). This ruined my race considerably and I wish for a change to make the default tire changes for all races to be Soft and Full Wets.

Reason being, particularly at this time of the year, both these tires are generally the only tire you will ever need.

In the long run, a two tire rule for 50% and above leagues would be a more fun idea to freshen strategies much further down the line.
(Any arguements regarding tire heating, should wait until future updates are applied, that may effect tire temperatures)
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medal 5000
11 years 333 days ago
So you're asking for a game-wide change to accomodate your personal mistake? Isn't that the very kind of thing you've been railing at others against?
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medal 5190
11 years 333 days ago
Overall, I want the 5/5 Qualifying removed and an active pre-race car preperation, where we can personally change our tires for qualifying and the beginning of the race when weather issues arise instead of an automatic system which defaults to the least favourable tire.

However my request is common sense, due to the fact, Intermediate tires are rarely used cause the insufficient coding behind weather mechanics of the game, and as such Dry default tire switches from track to track every race, and with some defaults usually being Soft for low/average tire wear, and high/very high being defaulted to hard tires.

This is mainly aimed towards newer managers, and not myself. I noticed the issue today and felt it could be addressed as a step-forward in helping younger teams with their progression. Quite alot of people quit the game after the first race cause of mistakes like these are easy to make.

There is a fine line between making the game easy, and making the game accomidate new users which I am currently being heavily involved in.
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medal 5000
11 years 333 days ago
I like the way it is personally. Why would you want 5/5 qual changed? In real life, don't most go "5/5" so to speak? As a former driver myself, you go as hard as you can in qual. Auto 5/5 just makes sense.


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medal 5190
11 years 333 days ago
The 5/5 Qualifying has broken the races for many people in our league, people who do not show up, and have their race running set to 1/5 or 2/5 generally, gift free wins to people ahead of them on the grid, and it's not until atleast lap 3 (where as the cars ahead have about an 8-10second gap) or the availability of KERS, can we get pass them, usually worse on difficult overtaking tracks. As such, it generally ruins the race of people who show up and try to catch people they can beat but they are blocked by the team that has a 100% car (bi-seasonally), creating a long train, which has infuriated many managers.
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medal 5000
11 years 333 days ago
"David
The 5/5 Qualifying has broken the races for many people in our league, people who do not show up, and have their race running set to 1/5 or 2/5 generally, gift free wins to people ahead of them on the grid, and it's not until atleast lap 3 (where as the cars ahead have about an 8-10second gap) or the availability of KERS, can we get pass them, usually worse on difficult overtaking tracks. As such, it generally ruins the race of people who show up and try to catch people they can beat but they are blocked by the team that has a 100% car (bi-seasonally), creating a long train, which has infuriated many managers.


Well thats not the setup of the cars or the mangers who set 1/5 thats overtaking or lack of. What Tony has said is spot on its your mistake once it is changed it saves so you load it up in next seasons race. Like most people on this game they have accepeted that they havent changed the advance setup and have not complained.
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medal 5000
11 years 333 days ago
As a racer myself the argument is lacking (about auto 5/5 being a good thing). This is the only positive statement people have for this topic .. that "drivers always push hard in qual" .. It's a pathetic case to argue. Are people trying to say drivers never push hard in races then (eg the way it is now)?

If they are going to set auto 5/5 qual they should let you choose your push levels for every lap. Why was this not introduced? If you're going to let slow people start at the front of the grid (by auto 5/5 qualifying) then let them pre-program their push levels for every lap. Is this possible or not?

I am sorry for sounding so bitter but I am so incredibly sick of people saying 5/5 qual is a good thing. It's ruining the game, it's ruining MANY races, and it's severely pissing ACTIVE/paying managers off. WHY does it make more sense to help the people who don't show up to race and completely ruin the peoples races who actually show up and put in the effort.

It's a complete joke from my POV, and my POV is not biased, because in the last two seasons I have started from P1 more than anyone in my league, so this has affected me the least of any one.
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medal 5000
11 years 333 days ago
"Atom
As a racer myself the argument is lacking (about auto 5/5 being a good thing). This is the only positive statement people have for this topic .. that "drivers always push hard in qual" .. It's a pathetic case to argue. Are people trying to say drivers never push hard in races then (eg the way it is now)?

If they are going to set auto 5/5 qual they should let you choose your push levels for every lap. Why was this not introduced? If you're going to let slow people start at the front of the grid (by auto 5/5 qualifying) then let them pre-program their push levels for every lap. Is this possible or not?

I am sorry for sounding so bitter but I am so incredibly sick of people saying 5/5 qual is a good thing. It's ruining the game, it's ruining MANY races, and it's severely pissing ACTIVE/paying managers off. WHY does it make more sense to help the people who don't show up to race and completely ruin the peoples races who actually show up and put in the effort.

It's a complete joke from my POV, and my POV is not biased, because in the last two seasons I have started from P1 more than anyone in my league, so this has affected me the least of any one.


Push levels have nothing to do with it IMO its down to the overtaking on the sim someone with 1/5 push with super cold tyres against a 3/5 or 2/5 with tyres that are swiched on should be easly be overtaken also I think the dirty air that the cars have is a bit excessive but thats a different post.
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medal 5000
11 years 333 days ago
"Atom
As a racer myself the argument is lacking (about auto 5/5 being a good thing). This is the only positive statement people have for this topic .. that "drivers always push hard in qual" .. It's a pathetic case to argue. Are people trying to say drivers never push hard in races then (eg the way it is now)?



If they are going to set auto 5/5 qual they should let you choose your push levels for every lap. Why was this not introduced? If you're going to let slow people start at the front of the grid (by auto 5/5 qualifying) then let them pre-program their push levels for every lap. Is this possible or not?



I am sorry for sounding so bitter but I am so incredibly sick of people saying 5/5 qual is a good thing. It's ruining the game, it's ruining MANY races, and it's severely pissing ACTIVE/paying managers off. WHY does it make more sense to help the people who don't show up to race and completely ruin the peoples races who actually show up and put in the effort.



It's a complete joke from my POV, and my POV is not biased, because in the last two seasons I have started from P1 more than anyone in my league, so this has affected me the least of any one.



All I can say is, welcome to real life racing.
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medal 5000
11 years 333 days ago
Push levels have nothing to do with it IMO its down to the overtaking on the sim someone with 1/5 push with super cold tyres against a 3/5 or 2/5 with tyres that are swiched on should be easly be overtaken also I think the dirty air that the cars have is a bit excessive but thats a different post.



I think you have it right there Stuart.
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medal 5000
11 years 332 days ago
Is it not in the exclusive BETA update ? :P
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medal 5000
11 years 332 days ago
"Atom
As a racer myself the argument is lacking (about auto 5/5 being a good thing). This is the only positive statement people have for this topic .. that "drivers always push hard in qual" .. It's a pathetic case to argue. Are people trying to say drivers never push hard in races then (eg the way it is now)?



If they are going to set auto 5/5 qual they should let you choose your push levels for every lap. Why was this not introduced? If you're going to let slow people start at the front of the grid (by auto 5/5 qualifying) then let them pre-program their push levels for every lap. Is this possible or not?



I am sorry for sounding so bitter but I am so incredibly sick of people saying 5/5 qual is a good thing. It's ruining the game, it's ruining MANY races, and it's severely pissing ACTIVE/paying managers off. WHY does it make more sense to help the people who don't show up to race and completely ruin the peoples races who actually show up and put in the effort.



It's a complete joke from my POV, and my POV is not biased, because in the last two seasons I have started from P1 more than anyone in my league, so this has affected me the least of any one.



I'm active and I'm paying and I disagree!

Realy don't know what you're talking about! But as you periodically need to say that nonsense - I will also periodicaly reply:
I'm on in 15 of 17 races so it should affect me at all.
It's no problem to overtake s.o. that drives with 1/5 or 2/5 when doing 4/5 or 5/5 in the first laps - done this many times.
5/5 brings more thrill to the game, as it's more realistic and it's not just driving away!
You have to think about changing strategy, when and how to make use of KERS, etc. p.p.
 If you don't like people who are not on in races: kick them from your league.
The 5/5 thing is a fair thing. It brings balance to online and offline racers.

Would prefer more different settings: pushlevels for different situations BEFORE race: qually, rain, hard/soft, stint 1,2,3,...  - and so on.
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medal 5000
11 years 331 days ago
5/5 does not bring balance. Everyone (I think?) in our league agrees it is a joke and I think the same, it is a joke. If you are not there for the race you are going to get completely annihilated regardless, so why bother letting them start up the front?

I'm sorry but it is the truth. If you can win the race when you are not there then your opponents have no idea what they are doing, so that is no comparison. I bet I could beat any 100% team in the game with a 50% car if I was here and they weren't, even if they had the "ideal afk" push levels set (obviously ofcourse I am talking about tracks that require you to change your push levels, not tracks like Monaco)

I do however like your idea about push levels per stint. When you're afk at the moment you're basically limited to one set of tyres because softs and hards require completely different afk settings.
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medal 5000
11 years 331 days ago
In fact I really like that idea. Is that even possible Jack/Andrew? Allowing you to set a push level per stint? That could actually give AFK users some sort of fighting chance if you ask me - A much better chance than just auto 5/5 qual.
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medal 5000
11 years 331 days ago
I do not agree Jason. I am happy with the current qualifying procedure.

Stuart makes a good point above & I agree with him, that the real issue is the difficulty to overtake.
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medal 5000
11 years 331 days ago
Ok, I take it back - Everyone except Edwin ;DDDDDDDDDDDD

Very true though, ofcourse. If overtaking was easier then it wouldn't be a problem.
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medal 5190
11 years 331 days ago
Overtaking is easier soon, they fixed alot of the coding for it :)
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medal 5011
11 years 331 days ago
How about having your kers charged for lap 1 to overtake low push level cars, Or a small amount of secondary kers (1 straights worth) from the start that is only manager operated, then u have a chose of using it off the line or saving it for later in the 1st lap to see if there is a low push car that needs clearing. ?

As i think its fair to keep the automatic 5/5 quali but is very frustrating when i got constantly stuck behind them in a massive cue till kers became available.
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medal 5000
11 years 331 days ago
"Jason
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I'm sorry but it is the truth. If you can win the race when you are not there then your opponents have no idea what they are doing, so that is no comparison. I bet I could beat any 100% team in the game with a 50% car if I was here and they weren't, even if they had the "ideal afk" push levels set (obviously ofcourse I am talking about tracks that require you to change your push levels, not tracks like Monaco)
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Sorry - but there is no truth, as two people talking about the same thing allways have two views of "truth"...
What's wrong on being bitten by s.o. who is offline?
If he developed a good car and he managed to set a good pushlevel for a whole race considering tracktemp, tires, tire wear. etc..
Then he well deserved that victory, no matter if he is off or on!
If he bites me, while I am on, then I have to do a better job. It's me to blame, not the offline racer.
So that's my "truth". And that gives me fun. Not driving away in a robot way. It gives me more thrill to that game. And it's even more realistic. See the F1 season 2012...

What I hear on all that voices is envy about peolpe who do not spend their lifes on 24/7 gameplay and have success anyway!
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medal 5000
11 years 330 days ago
"David
While this is down to personal mistake, I find that the change to my tires was rather disappointing when it came to qualifying. Like most mondays, I cannot attend the race due to commitments. To the issue: I had a wet weather setup and it changed to dry, to which it changed to the default tire option for Dry Weather (Hards). This ruined my race considerably and I wish for a change to make the default tire changes for all races to be Soft and Full Wets.

Reason being, particularly at this time of the year, both these tires are generally the only tire you will ever need.

In the long run, a two tire rule for 50% and above leagues would be a more fun idea to freshen strategies much further down the line.
(Any arguements regarding tire heating, should wait until future updates are applied, that may effect tire temperatures)

I always assumed the weather auto-change uses whatever tyre preference you have specified in weather settings. is that not true?
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