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Fülöp Frici
5 years 3 days ago

Explain to me, at the end of the championship, in the event of a tie, what driver decides which driver wins the championship, as we have 228-228 points at the end of the 14 seasons!
The winner H.Koga (Tomix) was 3 x first place, 2 x second place.
The losing C.Pillay (Team PommerMan Pro) is 5 x first place and 3 x second place !!!
Illogical!!!
Our Championship: https://igpmanager.com/app/p=league&id=101790&tab=info
Season 14 is no longer visible!

Ferrari Admin
5 years 3 days ago

who win a race before other driver? if koga is all ok

Cole Trickle
5 years 3 days ago

As Ferrari Admin said, it is about (single) best result. Here obvious a race win for both.
Then it is about who got that result first.

There used to be a bug disregarding race 1. I do not know, if this is fixes.

@Mods. I answered this exact question now several times. Please do something like telling people in rules or FAQs.

Fülöp Frici
5 years 2 days ago

I do not believe it! So set the order based on who wins the race first!?!?!? In Excel, I write a formula in 1 minute that decides what rankings the pilots will rank in the event of a tie!
Whoever is lost is disappointed because he and everyone has calculated that he will become a champion (second place is enough and I win!)
This is NOT anywhere in the WORLD !!!!! If this works like that then we are very sad !!!! Sorry and feel unjust !!!

Donnie Brasco
5 years 2 days ago

It's a joke? Jesus! This can't be !!!!

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
5 years 2 days ago

Donnie

It's a joke? Jesus! This can't be !!!!

I have been playing the game for 5 years and the tie break calculation has always been this way. Whether or not you like it is a different issue.

Cole Trickle
There used to be a bug disregarding race 1. I do not know, if this is fixed.

Hi Cole. IIRC just before Christmas Jack said this bug has been fixed.
I have also answered the question on a number of occasions, Mods are not able to update the rules.
I'll ask the support team to insert the tie break logic into the rules.

Cole Trickle
5 years 2 days ago

LOL! I state facts and get downvotes. People nowadays...

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
5 years 2 days ago

Same for me Cole.

If the people who clicked on the "Thumbs Down" thinking it means "Dislike" actually bothered to read the help text displayed by hovering over the icon they would see that it means "Mark Post as Unhelpful".

I don't understand how it is unhelpful to explain the working of the tie break to people who don't know how it works. Next time maybe we'll leave them in the dark instead of trying to help.

Donnie Brasco
5 years 1 days ago

Sorry!
It doesn't explain the problem that whoever wins first is ahead!
The problem has not been resolved for him, massimum accepts and acknowledges!
Since you have been playing for 5 years there is no better way for him to embed the exact location of the rule !!!
In my opinion!
150 days ago I had a similar question, the answer: "Whoever wins the Malayzia Grand Prix is ahead!" That was incomprehensible at that time, too, and a terrible thing!
https://igpmanager.com/forum-thread/27003
Funny add-on let's say I liked it !: "blue paint in the car wins!"
Luckily, this case is not my problem, just think as I wrote 150 days ago it is not resolved and I laugh at it !!!
If 1 person writes nobody cares if 1000 person's problem maybe they will deal with it !!!
Sorry to say at all, but I felt like it could be my opinion because of the similarity, accept it even if it is negative!

Peter Man
5 years 1 days ago

Sorry, I have caught this thread late :D

@Donnie Brasco: Would it possible for you to copy and paste all the race links from that season? As someone who regularly does count back and permutations for managers going into the last round (be it for Championships or Relegation Battles), I find this case, where it appears the driver with the inferior count back won, a little unsettling.

The countback, from my experience, has always worked (excluding after the first race, which most people know about) Just very curious how this came about in the first place. Thanks in advance ;-)

Donnie Brasco
5 years 1 days ago

Hi Peter!
Now, about the issue 150 days ago?
There the end result did not give a point at the end of the season, only in the middle of the year I noticed the problem in such situations and therefore asked in the forum !!!
Or would you need information about this current Forum post?
Because then you need to ask Frici Frici, the manager who is now raising the issue, for the data !!!

Peter Man
5 years 1 days ago

Ahh..that's what I want to see..the results ;))

Frici Frici will be able to access all the results from the 'Team' tab, then 'History' for the season in question, Season 14. It might take him a little while for 150 days ago! Another way is to access the results from the circuits themselves, but it will require you to know the exact races used in the calendar :)

And to show a web link on here, put [.url]'insert web page link'[/url], without the dot

Example:
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=27049687&tab=race

Preparing my counting skills, lol :D

Fülöp Frici
5 years 1 days ago

Hi Peter, I see more people besides me watching this problem! Joyful!

So do I link to the final result of the 15 races? It's simple now because it's the last 15 races!

1. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946321&tab=race
2. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946324&tab=race
3. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946327&tab=race
4. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946330&tab=race
5. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946333&tab=race
6. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946336&tab=race
7. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946339&tab=race
8. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946342&tab=race
9. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946345&tab=race
10. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946348&tab=race
11. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946351&tab=race
12. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946354&tab=race
13. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946357&tab=race
14. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946360&tab=race
15. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946363&tab=race

Peter Man
5 years 1 days ago (Last edited by Peter Man 5 years 1 days ago)

Just done the all the count backs ;)

1. H Koga (P1 x3, P2 x5, P3 x5, P4 x2, P5 x1, P6 x1, P14 x1)
2. C Pillay (P1 x5, P2 x3, P4 x2, P5 x1, P6 x1, P7 x1, P10 x1, P17 x1)

https://igpmanager.com/app/p=standings&league=101790&season=14&tier=3&tab=drivers

You are correct Fülöp Frici, it should indeed be the other way around. I am very surprised by this..first time I have indeed seen this in all my time playing iGP Manager :/

I've noticed the race scheduled for Friday 10th January, ended up running on the Monday 13th instead..I think it may be related somehow..trying to figure out how this happened!

Eitherway, it should be corrected. Managers work very hard to win Championships :-))

Cole Trickle
5 years 1 days ago

Donnie

Sorry!
It doesn't explain the problem that whoever wins first is ahead!
...

Wait what? Tomix won champ since he won the first race of the season.
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946321&tab=race
That's the explanation. Period.

If you don't like this rule, make a suggestion in suggestion section of forum. But please stop givin me thumps down.

Peter Man
5 years 1 days ago (Last edited by Peter Man 5 years 1 days ago)

Cole

Wait what? Tomix won champ since he won the first race of the season.
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946321&tab=race
That's the explanation. Period.

If you don't like this rule, make a suggestion in suggestion section of forum. But please stop givin me thumps down.

The thread concerns the Drivers Championship (H. Koga vs C. Pillay) K. Fukazawa won the first race of the season opener by the way.

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe the rule is the first race does not count towards the final Championship standings in the event scores are tied. I'm not sure if that's still the case or not, but it does not explain this scenario.

There is actually a case for this thread to moved to the Bugs section, to be honest.

And after more investigating, I think the race re run of Round 10/15 must have reset the count backs. Not 100% sure what happened on that day (Friday 10th January)..I did notice a fair amount of leagues experience server issues, even where a 2nd concurrent race was run.

With the countbacks wiped out (Round 1 - 9), and only Round 10 - 15 results counting, H. Koga does win (on 3rd places)

Rounds 10 - 15
H. Koga (P1 x2, P2 x1, P3 x1)
C. Pillar (P1 x2, P2 x1, P3 x0)

Cole Trickle
5 years 1 days ago

Peter

Cole

Wait what? Tomix won champ since he won the first race of the season.
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=26946321&tab=race
That's the explanation. Period.

If you don't like this rule, make a suggestion in suggestion section of forum. But please stop givin me thumps down.

The thread concerns the Drivers Championship (H. Koga vs C. Pillay) K. Fukazawa won the first race of the season opener by the way.

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe the rule is the first race does not count towards the final Championship standings in the event scores are tied. I'm not sure if that's still the case or not, but it does not explain this scenario.

There is actually a case for this thread to moved to the Bugs section, to be honest.

And after more investigating, I think the race re run of Round 10/15 must have reset the count backs. Not 100% sure what happened on that day (Friday 10th January)..I did notice a fair amount of leagues experience server issues, even where a 2nd race was run.

With the countbacks wiped out (Round 1 - 9), and only Round 10 - 15 results counting, H. Koga does win (on 3rd places)

H. Koga (P1 x2, P2 x2, P3 x1)
C. Pillar (P1 x2, P2 x2, P3 x0)

My bad. Thought it would be team champ. But still, Koga won the 2nd race of the season, winning earlier than Pillay. So Koga is driver champ.

Do I still miss something?

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
5 years 1 days ago

Both Cole and I have tried to explain the tie break rule but still you won't believe us.

Peter...

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe the rule is the first race does not count towards the final Championship standings in the event scores are tied. I'm not sure if that's still the case or not, but it does not explain this scenario.

You are mistaken, as I said in my post yesterday, Jack said the bug which ignored the first race (it was always Australia before customised seasons were introduced) was fixed early December.

The current rules for both Team and Drivers championship where there are equal points is:
1. The best result in the season is ranked higher
2. If the best result is the same then it is the team or driver who achieved that result first.

Both championships in the league in question follow the above rules.
Tomix wins the team championship by virtue of a win in the first race.
Koga wins the drivers championship by virtue of his win in the second race (Pillay's first win was race 4)

So it's not illogical it is just that it doesn't follow real racing.

Whether or not you agree with this is a different issue. If you disagree then create a suggestion and the Devs might change it. But as I said it has been this way for the five years I have been playing.

BTW, it's not just the championship title that is affected, it may also determine which teams get relegated because the same logic is applied to teams on zero points. Whoever comes 11th in the first race should always be highest ranked team on zero points.

Fülöp Frici
4 years 365 days ago

Satisfactory answer Thank you! (Kevin Bissell)

Please link where this is described because I don't see this ranking rule anywhere in the Help Rules!
Yes I could have proposed to change it, but since I didn't know there was such a rule and hadn't encountered a problem yet, I thought it was a unique case, so I asked for help!
To see not only I did not like the case:
Enter the sufferer on the message board:
"Agree, it was a great season with 3 of us still able to win the season on last race day. And l totally agree, Pillay was clearly the deserved winner this season ... being robbed of the glory :)"
Locked for me!

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
4 years 365 days ago

Hi Fulop
You are correct, nowhere in the rules or FAQ does it explain this tie break logic. This was pointed out by Cole in the third post in this thread.
I have asked the iGP Team to include it in the rules, whether or not this will happen I don't know because us moderators only have a limited influence ;-)

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