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medal 5000
10 years 358 days ago
Does anyone else agree that £30 is a bit much for 1 year? I mean considering how much content is in the game compared to say Minecraft (which is half the price, and a one time buy) does £30 not seem a bit unreasonable? Why no make it a £20 one time buy, I garuntee more people would buy it, look at BATracer for example. KoolTools (or whatever it was they used) was a small fee and was a one time buy and had about the same content level. 

I know nothing will change in terms of pricing (most likely) But it is just far to expensive considering what you get with your £30. The point is, I can still win races by not paying, so how can I justify paying £30 for a membership?

Thoughts?
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medal 5000
10 years 358 days ago (edited 10 years 358 days ago)
"Alex
Does anyone else agree that £30 is a bit much for 1 year? I mean considering how much content is in the game compared to say Minecraft (which is half the price, and a one time buy) does £30 not seem a bit unreasonable? Why no make it a £20 one time buy, I garuntee more people would buy it, look at BATracer for example. KoolTools (or whatever it was they used) was a small fee and was a one time buy and had about the same content level.

I know nothing will change in terms of pricing (most likely) But it is just far to expensive considering what you get with your £30. The point is, I can still win races by not paying, so how can I justify paying £30 for a membership?

Thoughts?


Don't know many people who have a problem with the price. £30 isn't completely unreasonable for an entire year. It's the lack of options that people find unappealing. This isn't the sort of game where you can log in and play whenever you feel like it. Having to commit to the same time every day non-stop gets very tiresome, and because of this people like to take long breaks from the game. Taking long breaks = Not many people want to pay for a whole year up front because they don't feel like they will get the most out of their money, so they just don't bother paying at all.

tl;dr - Price is OK, but we need more payment options. Would love to see the 3 and 6 month options revised.
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medal 5000
10 years 358 days ago
I have to agree with the original poster that $49USD per year for this game is too much. I'll qualify that by saying that I'm feeling that way mostly because the league I'm in is down to two races per week, and also because of the continued delays in developing the game.

This does not mean I don't support the developers; I very much do. I also know that the continued subscription fees are directly responsible for keeping development going on the game.

But there is a lot I could be spending $49/year on, and while the game stays stagnant in terms of car development and variety of gameplay, the satisfaction I get from investing that money in iGP keeps eroding.
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medal 5000
10 years 358 days ago
"Eton
Don't know many people who have a problem with the price. £30 isn't completely unreasonable for an entire year. It's the lack of options that people find unappealing. This isn't the sort of game where you can log in and play whenever you feel like it. Having to commit to the same time every day non-stop gets very tiresome, and because of this people like to take long breaks from the game. Taking long breaks = Not many people want to pay for a whole year up front because they don't feel like they will get the most out of their money, so they just don't bother paying at all.

tl;dr - Price is OK, but we need more payment options. Would love to see the 3 and 6 month options revised.

That last line is pretty much my story. I've done everyday leagues a couple of times on my main account, and it simply got to be too much of a time commitment with how inflexible the schedules are (having to be basically chained to the computer the same time every day), and I have since decided that I like racing three times a week better, because I find the racing more competitive over the season.

Ironically, if I were still racing every day I probably wouldn't want the subscription, because after a while of daily racing you get burned out and want to take time off - as it is, my main account has been on shutdown since October 8th and I currently have no plans to revive it, and I'm just racing with my other two teams, both of which are in 3x/week leagues.

I had a sub on my main about a year ago, and I was running it month-to-month, which worked for me because at the time there were a lot of problems with the game and I wasn't sure the game would even be around a year on from then, which is basically right now. I ran into some financial problems and gave up the subscription, thinking I could just get one again when I had the money, and then like a week and a half later they took that away and only left the annual option.

I think long-term, there needs to be a sort of "casual play" option (I've spoken about this before once or twice), where basically, managers can post a single race to run on a certain day and time - think "I'll be hosting Silverstone 50% on 27 November at 18:00 GMT" - and managers can race in these without affecting their league play. Or maybe something like a "quick race" where a certain race will be posted and managers can enter starting up to one hour beforehand, until either 10 minutes before the event, or until the field fills up. There have been times when I've wanted to race but couldn't because my leagues weren't racing that day. It would be nice to be able to have my league races, and then do casual races in periods where my leagues weren't running. I think this could add a lot more value to the game - both for the developers and the players - if done properly.
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medal 5093
10 years 358 days ago
As for current price of price/year, I would like an option for price/17 races or price/100 races etc. 

Current price is dead cheap for those doing a race every day.
But it's rather expensive for us who (because of families etc) can only do a race a week.


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medal 5000
10 years 358 days ago
"Alex
Does anyone else agree that £30 is a bit much for 1 year? I mean considering how much content is in the game compared to say Minecraft (which is half the price, and a one time buy) does £30 not seem a bit unreasonable? Why no make it a £20 one time buy, I garuntee more people would buy it, look at BATracer for example. KoolTools (or whatever it was they used) was a small fee and was a one time buy and had about the same content level. 



I know nothing will change in terms of pricing (most likely) But it is just far to expensive considering what you get with your £30. The point is, I can still win races by not paying, so how can I justify paying £30 for a membership?



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You're comparing apples with melons.

Minecraft isn't hosted on Mojang's servers. If you where to buy a dedicated server for the whole year, you'll pay £3 a month for the cheapest plan, so £36 for hosting alone a year.

Compare it to World of Warcraft, and it looks even cheaper. You'll have to pay Blizzard £9 per month, plus you'll need to buy the game + four expansions (fifth on the way). The first year will cost you nearly £150.

But comparisons rarely work, and looking at iGP Manager, it's worth concluding it simply lacks funding, that's why development is slow. If it were up to me, I'd scrap free to play, and lower the price of the premium version.


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medal 5000
10 years 358 days ago
I see where this is going, I am still a school student like many on this game and we can't just whip £30 out our pockets every year for anything really, let a lone a game! I play other games where an optional membership is available and have preciously bought it and I beleive £30 for a year is a great price but we need more options. How about this: 

Lifetime - £80
1 Year - £30
6 Months - £20
2 Months - £10
1 Month - £6-8
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medal 5000
10 years 358 days ago
I pay £5.49 per month / £65.88 per year to this game..

Why do I do it? To do nothing but help the development of the game.. I hope that Jack / Andrew clock this down the line and give the diamond car with nitros that I should have. :)

I am glad that I have stopped on the 1 month. I wish it was back for others.
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medal 5000
10 years 358 days ago


I agree with Japp here. I now think that release of the new content is more important to me than having the game always be stable.
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medal 5000
10 years 358 days ago
"Rob
I pay £5.49 per month / £65.88 per year to this game..

Why do I do it? To do nothing but help the development of the game.. I hope that Jack / Andrew clock this down the line and give the diamond car with nitros that I should have. :)

I am glad that I have stopped on the 1 month. I wish it was back for others.

So can you still pay the £5.49 a month? I'll do that!
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medal 5000
10 years 358 days ago
"Charlie

So can you still pay the £5.49 a month? I'll do that!


Not unless you was already on that payment plan before they stopped it. Sorry.  :(
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medal 5093
10 years 357 days ago
It would be a good way to get money into the (development of the) game if people could sponsor and name the car partners or name sponsors in the game - for a fee. Sounds like you guys in the thread wouldn't mind putting in some money for that? :)
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medal 5000
10 years 357 days ago
I would pay for iGP but as someone else mentioned, the fact that I can't just get on and play means that I'm buying a product that I can only use at a certain time. There just needs to either be more exclusive content (Add stuff to subscription, don't take away from free to play) or it needs to be slightly cheaper. And like someone else said, £30 a year is not money I can just blow on something like iGP when I could put it towards a game I can play anytime. 

I like iGP, probably the best manager game out there for me, but  I think pricing needs revising. whether that means more options or make annual cheaper is up for debate
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medal 5000
10 years 357 days ago
"Alex
I'm buying a product that I can only use at a certain time


That's the whole idea of a subscription. Don't see it as a boxed product, see it as a service.

Also; there were some remarks about the game being pricey if you race only once a week. Fair point, but I wonder; do you also complain at your cable company, when you had a busy week and didn't get to turn on the television? It's the same thing.

Ultimatly, I think £30 for a year is cheap - but for those who can't afford it, there's the free version. And please stop complaining you don't want to pay for stuff you like. You're gonna have a hard time in this capitalist world.
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medal 5000
10 years 357 days ago
"Jaap
Ultimatly, I think £30 for a year is cheap - but for those who can't afford it, there's the free version. And please stop complaining you don't want to pay for stuff you like. You're gonna have a hard time in this capitalist world.


Tbh I don't think that's really fair to say.

The bottom line is very simple. There needs to be more payment options. If iGP need more people to pay, they need to appeal to more people. Subscription sign ups aren't going to magically appear if people don't like what is being offered to them. One year subscriptions are not appealing to many people at all, including me. Not because it's expensive, just because it's incredibly inflexible.

I would rather pay for smaller time periods (3 or 6 months) for a variety of my accounts, but because of the way it is set up I am only going to pay for 2D on one account instead. I know many others feel the same, and I know many others who have simply stopped playing the game because the one year subscription is no longer appealing to them. It's fair to say that iGP don't make as much on 3 or 6 month sales as they do on a 1 year one (I don't know this, I'm just assuming, otherwise why were they removed?) but surely if you make less off them but sell twice as many, it's got to be worth it in the long run.

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medal 5000
10 years 357 days ago
I agree with Eton Fed, I may not play this game for another year. Times change and sometimes I get bored of something and just can't be asked to play. I would happily pay £8 or something similar for 3 months at a time. 

This is my suggestion:

1 Month - £8
3 Months - £12
6 Months - £18
1 year - £25
Lifetime - £50-£75

This would be good In my opinion, because if someone pays 1 month at a time, it would only take 4 months before they may as well have paid for 1 year. It would give people a chance to test it out (at worse value, would be better off buying 1 year) but it would be flexible. I think £25 a year is fairly ok, £5 cheaper might make the difference for some people. And £75 for a lifetime of it is appealing for the people who really are dedicated to iGP. 

If you were to buy 1 month at a time for 1 year, that is £96 but it is not all in 1 hit. Surely some people would end up doing this? The most popular plan IMO would be 3 months and if you do that 4 times in 1 year that is £48, but again it is more flexible for us. So we arent tied down to 1 year, but you might get more money.
6 months twice is an exta £11 per person, again, if enough people buy it, you will make a nice profit.
And 3, 1 year subs would make you £75. 

I think firstly, the current options are too limited and secondly the developers are missing out of making money by not giving us enough options. You can clearly see that giving these options has the potential to make more money. Hell, if someone bought a 1 month sub, liked it, then bought a 1 year sub, you just gained £3 compared to what you get now. If enough people do that, then you would make a lot more.
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medal 5000
10 years 357 days ago
Whoaaaa whoaaaa whoaaaa.. Why is everyone putting the bloody 1 month up?? Did I not put that it costs me £65.88 a year???

I pay more than 99% of people on here and others are saying it should be put up??/ Bloody hell. O_O


I've been playing this game for over 2 years.. I have paid well over £150 to support iGP.. Think about it.
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medal 5000
10 years 357 days ago
It is unlikely that we will offer a monthly choice. This is simply down to the amount of admin that needs to be done per transaction.

It is also unlikely that we will offer a 'lifetime' choice.
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medal 5000
10 years 357 days ago
"Jaap
Also; there were some remarks about the game being pricey if you race only once a week. Fair point, but I wonder; do you also complain at your cable company, when you had a busy week and didn't get to turn on the television? It's the same thing.

Ultimatly, I think £30 for a year is cheap - but for those who can't afford it, there's the free version. And please stop complaining you don't want to pay for stuff you like. You're gonna have a hard time in this capitalist world.

Look, Jaap, it's a value proposition. You name the cable company as an example - well, the cable company has to continuously upgrade and maintain an excellent product, because if they don't they will lose subscribers to other outlets such as satellite companies.

It's not a matter of "complaining you don't want to pay for stuff you like" - it's a matter of stating, accurately, that in order to keep subscribers to the service, said service needs to be updated sufficiently, maintained sufficiently, and provide sufficient value to earn the subscription revenue. To return to the cable company metaphor, if your cable service spent a year saying that they'll get around to adding ESPN but not doing so, don't you think that subscribers would eventually switch to a new company that does offer ESPN, no matter how hard the cable company is working to bolster the infrastructure of the cabling?

I understand loyalty to the developers but defensiveness on either side is worthless. It's a simple matter of judging one's ROI. If the return doesn't match the investment then the business relationship will eventually be terminated.
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medal 5000
10 years 357 days ago (edited 10 years 357 days ago)
"Tony

I understand loyalty to the developers but defensiveness on either side is worthless. It's a simple matter of judging one's ROI. If the return doesn't match the investment then the business relationship will eventually be terminated.


Value is subjective, but I'm defensive because I think that if the price is lowered, there would be no iGP Manager. Also, I think it's weird one can call iGP Manager 'probably the best manager game out there', but is unwilling to pay for it.
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