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The Effects Tier 30

The upcoming release of level 30 could prove to be a barrier for newer players. It already takes a very long time to reach level 20 and max out your important headquarters, meaning it can take months and months for a new player to become competitive in Elite. This is an issue because Rookie and Pro rarely have many active drivers in most leagues, so new players are often either dominating races (if in Rookie or Pro) or getting dominated for multiple seasons (Elite). 

It’s not a bad thing that the veterans of the game have an advantage over newer players, but I think that the amount of time needed to become competitive in Elite may become too much after levels get increased to 30. 

As a result, I’d like to propose the following changes:
- Increased XP for attending races (25-75%?)
- Lower upgrade times for early level HQ’s

I think people keep forgetting that the experience gained is not fixed but based on the other league members level. A manager with lower level will catchup much faster than what it was for the veterans players reaching the limit. 

As for the upgrades I don't think it really matters. The only main disadvantage is the boost/DRS facility. The research you gain mitigates the design points handicap.

I thought that being online to race was the whole idea of the game, if they gave a bonus for being online you would get the same that happens in the QR, people will join then just leave. QR is a joke for that reason as people do it to get the experience and cash without actually taking part.

As the higher levels are introduced the lower level managers will be earning even more xp than before. It used to be a player gets a base 40xp per race, then they get an extra 20 for each level higher that they are racing against.
Say a level 14 is racing a level 30 they get 40+ (16x20)=360/race 

Level 20 players won't automatically become level 30's as they will have to gain experience also to level up over the following months. 
Be interesting to know what the new levels of xp will be for the following new levels, 21, 22 etc.

The HQ is probably the main disadvantage - If my math is correct, it takes roughly 90 days to get to level 20 on one of your headquarters, not taking tokens or being too low level to upgrade into account. I think this is a relatively reasonable amount of time. However, with level 30 being added, assuming the upgrading process stays the same, it would take about 140 days in total just to get one of your headquarters fully upgraded, and thats if you don’t upgrade any other headquarters at all. 

As I can see you yourself is level 20, so some of your arguments could definitely be bias as you wouldn't want your veteran advantage being nerfed. Following this, research will not be able to close the gap as people with level 20 designs will always be 10+ ahead of people who just got into pro on top of the other car design points. Topping this all off, once level 30 is added this advantage would be further maximized making it completely a one sided race for people who've just made it into elite.

You are 100% right Banna Duck. I went to "xp farming mode" because of the update but another person would quit the game. The new update brings a more unbalanced and unfair tier system.

I have many concerns about:
players who quit/rejoin leagues changing driver special abilities
secondary accounts who supply cheap engines to main accounts
how iGP thinks a level 11 player will be able to remain motivated when joining his/her first elite league

and I stop it here because I'm going off-topic.

The truth is that levels are good while you are  learning the game but there is a point where small details should make the difference and you should lose because you did a bad development and/or strategy, not because your DRS is 50% of your opponent.

There are people with a big ego who repeat the same story "elite is the top of top, bla bla bla" but if they are the top why don't want to beat more players using the same weapons? This game is freemium but too much level based. That's the truth and nobody can deny it.

Devs in this game can easily make something to see how much of the race you attended. Me and my friend always attend our races and it feels discouraging when we get no bonus for putting in time into the game.

<edit struggling to form my first thought properly so will come back later and try again, wanted to try say something about hopes for gaps closing up but work has distracted me >

As mentioned earlier there is a mechanism where you get bonus xp based on the highest level member in your league so over time the gap between current level 20’s and current non level 20’s should close up even more.

I like the idea of granting bonus xp for being live in the race in particular.

Sorry,  but this is rubbish (sorry to be so blunt, but it is).  The game is designed to give lower level managers more xp when they are competing against level 20’s. Therefore if you are competing against level 20’s you will grow faster.  Once the new levels are introduced and bear in mind it has already been officially stated that it will take a very long time to reach level 30 the amount of xp earned will be even bigger.  It’s also wrong to believe that becoming level 20 will make a difference.  It won’t as 80% of this game is about what  you do away from the track and sadly 80% of the player base don’t understand this.

That's wrong. If you can win as level 11 against level 18-20 players who don't do mistakes, I will shut up.


You can mitigate the final result with that 80% but don't lie saying that levels are not a variable in this equation.

 Levels matter. If a level 18 wins against a level 20 then level 20 player did many mistakes.

The other thing is the issue of drs,  drs should honestly be equal for everyone so is for lower level players to have an equal chance of keeping upwhen in elite

Giovanni you misunderstand me.  I’m not saying levels aren’t a variable,  but anyone who like thinks that once they reach 20 everything is fine is wrong (Unless they are in a super weak league).  Too many players think their problems are down to weaker DRS and Boost and this is just not true. The strongest players in the game will easily beat a group of average 20’s.  And as far an 18 only beating a 20 through the 20’s mistakes you are partly right, but I could think of numerous players who would beat most 20’s with a level 16.  The players at the top do so much more than you realise and most of it is away from the track.  When you get to 20 you might understand this.

And as for level 11’s beating 18-20’s that’s just stupid.  Level 11’s should not be allowed to compete in Elite tiers period.

I agree with you if you say that being level 20 does not mean automatic win. Anyway levels matter and the progression is too slow.

I managed to win as level 14 once with my third account… against 5 online and active L20’s (2 car). but it was race 1 and I managed to run an alternative strategy successfully. (Still very proud of it over a year later though.)


In general I’ve found you start having a chance at L16 tech and at 18 & 19 the extra research can even be an advantage.

But that said everything is just easier at level 20 and your points stand. Still haven’t worked out how to write down my hopes from my earlier post so I’m going to have to give up on that ?

Once I won as level 11 against 3 active players between level 16 and 18 but it was the only win in a 16 races league due to overcut and a risky strategy saving boost. That season was frustrating, if for any reason I lost the DRS train my race was over. When you realize that you need 3 consecutive drs to overtake a single car while your opponent can create a 1 second gap with a single drs, you know the level matters...

And before that in a pro league I won the majority of races when I was level 9 against 6 players between level 13 and 16.

Yeah those seasons are tough. The rest of that level 14 season was a similar. Nothing worse than being overtaken while your DRS is open.

If HQ upgrades were a day or two faster I feel it would help a lot, as the main issue is the DRS taking so long to upgrade

Of course levels matter, and why shouldn't they. But so does understanding the game, I've seen many lower levels beat level 20s. 

People who have reached level 20 or even level 30 in the future have also gone through all the other levels, so why should they suddenly be penalised when they have gone through exactly the same. You can't expect a new driver to get into a race car and automatically be competitive and win. 
If players are racing just to win all the time then they are in for a shock. There are many managers at level 20 that never win but will keep playing because they enjoy it, those are the players the game needs, ones that will continue racing win or lose. 
If Lower levels are losing interest because they're not winning, they need to wake up, even at level 20 they could still lose. Too many of these lower level teams are in leagues full of bots or inactive players, they win race after race in rookie, then in pro using completely wrong strategies etc. Suddenly in elite they are against real competition and come no where, they're still using the wrong strategies from before because they haven't learnt anything along the way. 
Elite should be seen as a classroom where lower levels race and learn from the higher levels. When I first entered elite I joined 10k rep league to learn from them, I knew I'd never win but it helped me in the long run. 
You can't have 30 different tiers so all racing are the same level, you can't have lower levels being as fast as higher levels. So the only way is to play and level up until you finally reach the end goal.

I think when you get into elite for first time you’re not going winning.
You’re purely on staying up.
However the levels only make if you take advantage of what you have already.

Sure, but remember that the first players of this game didn't experience all of this because they were playing against players having the same level.