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medal 5000
1 year 186 days ago
I would like to know if the impact of talent on careers is going to be corrected.
After the update, talent seems to really have little influence, which makes me think that the other driving, mental and, above all, physical abilities have more impact.
I don't like this because talented pilots have always been better at the igp.
Also, what's the point of paying +60 tokens if the talent doesn't make a difference?
This makes me think. Will it also be extrapolated to the talent of chief designer, technical director, doctor...?
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1 year 186 days ago
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medal 5000 Super Mod
1 year 185 days ago
Aceroba
I would like to know if the impact of talent on careers is going to be corrected.
After the update, talent seems to really have little influence, which makes me think that the other driving, mental and, above all, physical abilities have more impact.
I don't like this because talented pilots have always been better at the igp.
Also, what's the point of paying +60 tokens if the talent doesn't make a difference?
This makes me think. Will it also be extrapolated to the talent of chief designer, technical director, doctor...?

What evidence do you have that driver talent has no influence?

Talent of staff is irrelevant  it's simply level / star rating that determines their effectiveness.
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medal 5000
1 year 185 days ago

Kevin
Aceroba
I would like to know if the impact of talent on careers is going to be corrected.
After the update, talent seems to really have little influence, which makes me think that the other driving, mental and, above all, physical abilities have more impact.
I don't like this because talented pilots have always been better at the igp.
Also, what's the point of paying +60 tokens if the talent doesn't make a difference?
This makes me think. Will it also be extrapolated to the talent of chief designer, technical director, doctor...?

What evidence do you have that driver talent has no influence?

Talent of staff is irrelevant  it's simply level / star rating that determines their effectiveness.



Well, I have evidence since the new update. I have tested drivers of different talents (23,24,20,30...) and the big current evidence is for example that I have two drivers of level 30 and one of talent 23 (all with the same stamina and imc) and the performance is identical. 

This is just an example, I check it every day in races with many other drivers. Talent from 21 onwards seems almost irrelevant and driving skills become irrelevant in my view. 
I'm not criticising this but if this is the case, don't ask for tokens for more talent. Tokens are real money.  
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medal 5358
1 year 185 days ago
Aceroba

Kevin
Aceroba
I would like to know if the impact of talent on careers is going to be corrected.
After the update, talent seems to really have little influence, which makes me think that the other driving, mental and, above all, physical abilities have more impact.
I don't like this because talented pilots have always been better at the igp.
Also, what's the point of paying +60 tokens if the talent doesn't make a difference?
This makes me think. Will it also be extrapolated to the talent of chief designer, technical director, doctor...?

What evidence do you have that driver talent has no influence?

Talent of staff is irrelevant  it's simply level / star rating that determines their effectiveness.



Well, I have evidence since the new update. I have tested drivers of different talents (23,24,20,30...) and the big current evidence is for example that I have two drivers of level 30 and one of talent 23 (all with the same stamina and imc) and the performance is identical. 

This is just an example, I check it every day in races with many other drivers. Talent from 21 onwards seems almost irrelevant and driving skills become irrelevant in my view. 
I'm not criticising this but if this is the case, don't ask for tokens for more talent. Tokens are real money.  


Where do you get this data? Practice laps or offline races or something? Cause from everything I’ve seen driver talent does impact performance.  You can ask Phil Macey what talent 20 versus talent 30 looks like, I reckon he remembers vividly 
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medal 5000
1 year 185 days ago

Antonio
Aceroba

Kevin
Aceroba
I would like to know if the impact of talent on careers is going to be corrected.
After the update, talent seems to really have little influence, which makes me think that the other driving, mental and, above all, physical abilities have more impact.
I don't like this because talented pilots have always been better at the igp.
Also, what's the point of paying +60 tokens if the talent doesn't make a difference?
This makes me think. Will it also be extrapolated to the talent of chief designer, technical director, doctor...?

What evidence do you have that driver talent has no influence?

Talent of staff is irrelevant  it's simply level / star rating that determines their effectiveness.



Well, I have evidence since the new update. I have tested drivers of different talents (23,24,20,30...) and the big current evidence is for example that I have two drivers of level 30 and one of talent 23 (all with the same stamina and imc) and the performance is identical. 

This is just an example, I check it every day in races with many other drivers. Talent from 21 onwards seems almost irrelevant and driving skills become irrelevant in my view. 
I'm not criticising this but if this is the case, don't ask for tokens for more talent. Tokens are real money.  


Where do you get this data? Practice laps or offline races or something? Cause from everything I’ve seen driver talent does impact performance.  You can ask Phil Macey what talent 20 versus talent 30 looks like, I reckon he remembers vividly 



Well, mostly online racing. Also internships, offline races. For me that's a given. The algorithm is not working now with the talent as I think it should. 

I have played more than 1000 races. I know what I'm talking about. 
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medal 5000
1 year 185 days ago
Aceroba

Antonio
Aceroba

Kevin
Aceroba
I would like to know if the impact of talent on careers is going to be corrected.
After the update, talent seems to really have little influence, which makes me think that the other driving, mental and, above all, physical abilities have more impact.
I don't like this because talented pilots have always been better at the igp.
Also, what's the point of paying +60 tokens if the talent doesn't make a difference?
This makes me think. Will it also be extrapolated to the talent of chief designer, technical director, doctor...?

What evidence do you have that driver talent has no influence?

Talent of staff is irrelevant  it's simply level / star rating that determines their effectiveness.



Well, I have evidence since the new update. I have tested drivers of different talents (23,24,20,30...) and the big current evidence is for example that I have two drivers of level 30 and one of talent 23 (all with the same stamina and imc) and the performance is identical. 

This is just an example, I check it every day in races with many other drivers. Talent from 21 onwards seems almost irrelevant and driving skills become irrelevant in my view. 
I'm not criticising this but if this is the case, don't ask for tokens for more talent. Tokens are real money.  


Where do you get this data? Practice laps or offline races or something? Cause from everything I’ve seen driver talent does impact performance.  You can ask Phil Macey what talent 20 versus talent 30 looks like, I reckon he remembers vividly 



Well, mostly online racing. Also internships, offline races. For me that's a given. The algorithm is not working now with the talent as I think it should. 

I have played more than 1000 races. I know what I'm talking about. 


I’ve raced more than1500 times and don’t agree with you.  Does that mean my opinion is more valid?  No it doesn’t, but I know that higher talent drivers (as long as their stats are developed ) are still stronger than lower talent drivers with the same development. The amount of people I’ve seen quit leagues both online and offline as a result of no longer being able to compete with Talent 30 Legendary Racecraft  drivers is quite significant.   However, there are other factors to consider now such as driver abilities, the type and whether they are common, uncommon or Legendary and not forgetting favourite tracks.  Any combination of these can impact on race ability, all factors being otherwise equal a higher talent driver will always outperform unless the manager controlling it is making fundamental errors.

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medal 5000
1 year 185 days ago

Skid
Aceroba

Antonio
Aceroba

Kevin
Aceroba
I would like to know if the impact of talent on careers is going to be corrected.
After the update, talent seems to really have little influence, which makes me think that the other driving, mental and, above all, physical abilities have more impact.
I don't like this because talented pilots have always been better at the igp.
Also, what's the point of paying +60 tokens if the talent doesn't make a difference?
This makes me think. Will it also be extrapolated to the talent of chief designer, technical director, doctor...?

What evidence do you have that driver talent has no influence?

Talent of staff is irrelevant  it's simply level / star rating that determines their effectiveness.



Well, I have evidence since the new update. I have tested drivers of different talents (23,24,20,30...) and the big current evidence is for example that I have two drivers of level 30 and one of talent 23 (all with the same stamina and imc) and the performance is identical. 

This is just an example, I check it every day in races with many other drivers. Talent from 21 onwards seems almost irrelevant and driving skills become irrelevant in my view. 
I'm not criticising this but if this is the case, don't ask for tokens for more talent. Tokens are real money.  


Where do you get this data? Practice laps or offline races or something? Cause from everything I’ve seen driver talent does impact performance.  You can ask Phil Macey what talent 20 versus talent 30 looks like, I reckon he remembers vividly 



Well, mostly online racing. Also internships, offline races. For me that's a given. The algorithm is not working now with the talent as I think it should. 

I have played more than 1000 races. I know what I'm talking about. 


I’ve raced more than1500 times and don’t agree with you.  Does that mean my opinion is more valid?  No it doesn’t, but I know that higher talent drivers (as long as their stats are developed ) are still stronger than lower talent drivers with the same development. The amount of people I’ve seen quit leagues both online and offline as a result of no longer being able to compete with Talent 30 Legendary Racecraft  drivers is quite significant.   However, there are other factors to consider now such as driver abilities, the type and whether they are common, uncommon or Legendary and not forgetting favourite tracks.  Any combination of these can impact on race ability, all factors being otherwise equal a higher talent driver will always outperform unless the manager controlling it is making fundamental errors.




You said it yourself. The skills.

Whether it's legendary or not makes a difference. That's where the payoff is. Talent is now placebo. 
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medal 5358
1 year 185 days ago (Last edited by Antonio Ascari 1 year 185 days ago)
Aceroba

Skid
Aceroba

Antonio
Aceroba

Kevin
Aceroba
I would like to know if the impact of talent on careers is going to be corrected.
After the update, talent seems to really have little influence, which makes me think that the other driving, mental and, above all, physical abilities have more impact.
I don't like this because talented pilots have always been better at the igp.
Also, what's the point of paying +60 tokens if the talent doesn't make a difference?
This makes me think. Will it also be extrapolated to the talent of chief designer, technical director, doctor...?

What evidence do you have that driver talent has no influence?

Talent of staff is irrelevant  it's simply level / star rating that determines their effectiveness.



Well, I have evidence since the new update. I have tested drivers of different talents (23,24,20,30...) and the big current evidence is for example that I have two drivers of level 30 and one of talent 23 (all with the same stamina and imc) and the performance is identical. 

This is just an example, I check it every day in races with many other drivers. Talent from 21 onwards seems almost irrelevant and driving skills become irrelevant in my view. 
I'm not criticising this but if this is the case, don't ask for tokens for more talent. Tokens are real money.  


Where do you get this data? Practice laps or offline races or something? Cause from everything I’ve seen driver talent does impact performance.  You can ask Phil Macey what talent 20 versus talent 30 looks like, I reckon he remembers vividly 



Well, mostly online racing. Also internships, offline races. For me that's a given. The algorithm is not working now with the talent as I think it should. 

I have played more than 1000 races. I know what I'm talking about. 


I’ve raced more than1500 times and don’t agree with you.  Does that mean my opinion is more valid?  No it doesn’t, but I know that higher talent drivers (as long as their stats are developed ) are still stronger than lower talent drivers with the same development. The amount of people I’ve seen quit leagues both online and offline as a result of no longer being able to compete with Talent 30 Legendary Racecraft  drivers is quite significant.   However, there are other factors to consider now such as driver abilities, the type and whether they are common, uncommon or Legendary and not forgetting favourite tracks.  Any combination of these can impact on race ability, all factors being otherwise equal a higher talent driver will always outperform unless the manager controlling it is making fundamental errors.




You said it yourself. The skills.

Whether it's legendary or not makes a difference. That's where the payoff is. Talent is now placebo. 


I’m sorry if it seemed I was questioning your ability or experience with the game, wasn’t my intention. 


It’s just that this goes against everything I’ve experienced. I’ve experienced talent beeing the only real variable in a very competitive environment and it clearly showed talent 30 prevailed over talent 20. By quite a margin, several races so it also was consistent. 

Also, why would devs make it placebo? As soon as it’s uncovered their finances run dry so that would not be a good business idea imo
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medal 5000
1 year 185 days ago
Talent must not matter because my driver is a 1 talent and I'm placing 6th and 7th in expert league with basically all the other drivers have 20+ talent and also car setup doesnt matter I've forgot to do it before a race and I've placed top 10 
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medal 5602 Moderator
1 year 185 days ago
@Brady : Because only 6-7 teams setup their car and save a strategy
And when you did not setup, you still had a fresher engine than the « ghost » cars…
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medal 5246 Super Mod
1 year 185 days ago
Aceroba
I would like to know if the impact of talent on careers is going to be corrected.
After the update, talent seems to really have little influence, which makes me think that the other driving, mental and, above all, physical abilities have more impact.
I don't like this because talented pilots have always been better at the igp.
Also, what's the point of paying +60 tokens if the talent doesn't make a difference?
This makes me think. Will it also be extrapolated to the talent of chief designer, technical director, doctor...?



Hi aceroba. I do not know how long you have been testing this but I would like to draw your attention to the following post in case it is relevant.


https://igpmanager.com/forum-thread/53657


From my own testing. All I can say is I disagree and talent has an impact on overall pace. Especially since 56 days ago.
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