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Dave.

And to James...
I didn't realise winning an elite level championship was a requirement for posting your views on here.
You have just shown by that attitude that anything you say can be discarded as worthless.

My attitude is fine you just keep going on about something that's not going to be added for years if not ever😂

You're in relegation zone of course you want crashes added😂 there's other games out there. Crashing ain't gonna get added to the game and if you don't like it then get lost and find another game where you can have more real life motorsport managing experience.

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Luiz Paulo Figueiredo
4 years 292 days ago

Following the thread in hope to see a moderator response to this. I'd be happy with some accidents, but you guys are going to say that I'm new here and so on. I'm battling for the title in my league and of course it would be horrible losing a driver due to a crash, but I would accept this trade-off in order to add extra realism.

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Dave Benton
4 years 292 days ago

Luiz

Following the thread in hope to see a moderator response to this. I'd be happy with some accidents, but you guys are going to say that I'm new here and so on. I'm battling for the title in my league and of course it would be horrible losing a driver due to a crash, but I would accept this trade-off in order to add extra realism.

Agree completely, dude. The aggressive response of certain individuals is sad to see. I didn't think to find trolls here.

Realism is essential to a good management sim and while I respect the restraints that the development team face, I just hope to see them moving in that direction. There are many 'racing games', Racing management simulations are much rarer. It'd be a shame if this game became just another racing videogame, they have something better than that with the potential to be even better if they ignore those wanting the game dumbing down.

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James Atkins
4 years 291 days ago

Dave

Luiz

Following the thread in hope to see a moderator response to this. I'd be happy with some accidents, but you guys are going to say that I'm new here and so on. I'm battling for the title in my league and of course it would be horrible losing a driver due to a crash, but I would accept this trade-off in order to add extra realism.

Agree completely, dude. The aggressive response of certain individuals is sad to see. I didn't think to find trolls here.

Realism is essential to a good management sim and while I respect the restraints that the development team face, I just hope to see them moving in that direction. There are many 'racing games', Racing management simulations are much rarer. It'd be a shame if this game became just another racing videogame, they have something better than that with the potential to be even better if they ignore those wanting the game dumbing down.

I don't see myself as aggressive or a troll, I'm just stating my opinion. You'd like the game to go in a more simulation direction, i don't. We end this argument here and respect each other's opinion.

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Kevin Bissell Super Mod
4 years 291 days ago

Hi Luiz
I am a moderator but you should understand that we are just normal gamers like everyone else. We tend to be experienced in the game so can often help less experienced managers by answering basic technical questions. We can escalate forum threads that need attention to the iGP team and we help to keep the forum under control. We do this on a voluntary basis, we are not members of staff and don’t have any influence over the way in which the game is developed.

For that reason, when I am posting personal opinion (such as in this thread) I elect not to post as a moderator so that people don’t misconstrue my posts as some sort of official iGP response, which they are not.

Dave

I don't run background checks to find out how to score points in arguments.

I have a different opinion to you and that is fine, that’s what a forum is for. I respect your opinion but I don’t have to agree with it. I made no personal attacks on you but you chose to accuse me of only having my opinion because I had quote… “a big powerful team arguing in self-interest”. I was not trying to score points, I was merely pointing out that this is not the case, my stance on random events that only affect one or two teams is out of a desire to have a game where the best manager should win, not the luckiest.

As I said earlier, I have no problem at all with the introduction of safety cars because they affect all managers and the people who best manage the situation will benefit but I am absolutely against my cars suffering an accident purely as a result of some sort of random event algorithm. Now I’ve made myself absolutely clear on this I will not post again.

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Dave Benton
4 years 291 days ago

Kevin

Hi Luiz
I am a moderator but you should understand that we are just normal gamers like everyone else. We tend to be experienced in the game so can often help less experienced managers by answering basic technical questions. We can escalate forum threads that need attention to the iGP team and we help to keep the forum under control. We do this on a voluntary basis, we are not members of staff and don’t have any influence over the way in which the game is developed.

For that reason, when I am posting personal opinion (such as in this thread) I elect not to post as a moderator so that people don’t misconstrue my posts as some sort of official iGP response, which they are not.

Dave

I don't run background checks to find out how to score points in arguments.

I have a different opinion to you and that is fine, that’s what a forum is for. I respect your opinion but I don’t have to agree with it. I made no personal attacks on you but you chose to accuse me of only having my opinion because I had quote… “a big powerful team arguing in self-interest”. I was not trying to score points, I was merely pointing out that this is not the case, my stance on random events that only affect one or two teams is out of a desire to have a game where the best manager should win, not the luckiest.

As I said earlier, I have no problem at all with the introduction of safety cars because they affect all managers and the people who best manage the situation will benefit but I am absolutely against my cars suffering an accident purely as a result of some sort of random event algorithm. Now I’ve made myself absolutely clear on this I will not post again.

I somewhat took umbrage at being my argument not being debated but my current league position being used to somehow disqualify my contention that iGPis presented as a management simulation game. I totally disagree with Joshua when he stated that to have a valid viewpoint requires a championship at elite level. That attitude stinks. I repeat, there are many raci g games, and few management sims, if this game goes down the populist path that will be a bigger loss than losing one of the multitude of standard racing videogames.

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Harry Savil
4 years 291 days ago

Why should crashes be added, I don't play for a simulation experience i play to have fun and crashing isn't really having fun it'd just piss me off really.

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Luiz Paulo Figueiredo
4 years 291 days ago

Harry

Why should crashes be added, I don't play for a simulation experience i play to have fun and crashing isn't really having fun it'd just piss me off really.

I understand you and that is the trade-off. Some are having fun, some are having fun and trying to mock the actual race. Very individual choices, that's why allowing the league's host to choose or not on having crashes could be an option. By the way, are isolated mechanical issues during the race away from iGP too?

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Dave Benton
4 years 291 days ago

Luiz

Harry

Why should crashes be added, I don't play for a simulation experience i play to have fun and crashing isn't really having fun it'd just piss me off really.

I understand you and that is the trade-off. Some are having fun, some are having fun and trying to mock the actual race. Very individual choices, that's why allowing the league's host to choose or not on having crashes could be an option. By the way, are isolated mechanical issues during the race away from iGP too?

Almost, entirely....

Generally, you start, you go round, nothing much interesting interrupts your time, I. e. no incidents, offs, weather changes, you even drive through cars when overtaking them, you finish. The race itself is the dullest part of the game for me, it needs making more immersive. I know developers have limited resources and time, but I just hope that they try to keep the games unique selling point, it is a management sim game based on F1.

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Joshua Johnson
4 years 291 days ago (Last edited by Joshua Johnson 4 years 291 days ago)

Dave

Kevin

Hi Luiz
I am a moderator but you should understand that we are just normal gamers like everyone else. We tend to be experienced in the game so can often help less experienced managers by answering basic technical questions. We can escalate forum threads that need attention to the iGP team and we help to keep the forum under control. We do this on a voluntary basis, we are not members of staff and don’t have any influence over the way in which the game is developed.

For that reason, when I am posting personal opinion (such as in this thread) I elect not to post as a moderator so that people don’t misconstrue my posts as some sort of official iGP response, which they are not.

Dave

I don't run background checks to find out how to score points in arguments.

I have a different opinion to you and that is fine, that’s what a forum is for. I respect your opinion but I don’t have to agree with it. I made no personal attacks on you but you chose to accuse me of only having my opinion because I had quote… “a big powerful team arguing in self-interest”. I was not trying to score points, I was merely pointing out that this is not the case, my stance on random events that only affect one or two teams is out of a desire to have a game where the best manager should win, not the luckiest.

As I said earlier, I have no problem at all with the introduction of safety cars because they affect all managers and the people who best manage the situation will benefit but I am absolutely against my cars suffering an accident purely as a result of some sort of random event algorithm. Now I’ve made myself absolutely clear on this I will not post again.

I somewhat took umbrage at being my argument not being debated but my current league position being used to somehow disqualify my contention that iGPis presented as a management simulation game. I totally disagree with Joshua when he stated that to have a valid viewpoint requires a championship at elite level. That attitude stinks. I repeat, there are many raci g games, and few management sims, if this game goes down the populist path that will be a bigger loss than losing one of the multitude of standard racing videogames.

Excuse me? My three comments on this thread were about adding other feature that could cause crashes, I don't want the risk of my drivers taking each other out when racing each other, and stating that this game is freemium. I never said you must win an elite title to have a valid viewpoint.

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Paul Akam
4 years 290 days ago

Sounds cool until you actually experience it. Very enraging to start a race and crash on the first lap of the race meaning you have to sit out of it especially if your likely to get a podium, then that's a minus 15-25 points which you can't get back from nothing you've done.

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Dave Benton
4 years 290 days ago

Joshua

Dave

Kevin

Hi Luiz
I am a moderator but you should understand that we are just normal gamers like everyone else. We tend to be experienced in the game so can often help less experienced managers by answering basic technical questions. We can escalate forum threads that need attention to the iGP team and we help to keep the forum under control. We do this on a voluntary basis, we are not members of staff and don’t have any influence over the way in which the game is developed.

For that reason, when I am posting personal opinion (such as in this thread) I elect not to post as a moderator so that people don’t misconstrue my posts as some sort of official iGP response, which they are not.

Dave

I don't run background checks to find out how to score points in arguments.

I have a different opinion to you and that is fine, that’s what a forum is for. I respect your opinion but I don’t have to agree with it. I made no personal attacks on you but you chose to accuse me of only having my opinion because I had quote… “a big powerful team arguing in self-interest”. I was not trying to score points, I was merely pointing out that this is not the case, my stance on random events that only affect one or two teams is out of a desire to have a game where the best manager should win, not the luckiest.

As I said earlier, I have no problem at all with the introduction of safety cars because they affect all managers and the people who best manage the situation will benefit but I am absolutely against my cars suffering an accident purely as a result of some sort of random event algorithm. Now I’ve made myself absolutely clear on this I will not post again.

I somewhat took umbrage at being my argument not being debated but my current league position being used to somehow disqualify my contention that iGPis presented as a management simulation game. I totally disagree with Joshua when he stated that to have a valid viewpoint requires a championship at elite level. That attitude stinks. I repeat, there are many raci g games, and few management sims, if this game goes down the populist path that will be a bigger loss than losing one of the multitude of standard racing videogames.

Excuse me? My three comments on this thread were about adding other feature that could cause crashes, I don't want the risk of my drivers taking each other out when racing each other, and stating that this game is freemium. I never said you must win an elite title to have a valid viewpoint.

Apologies, mistaken identity, it was James Atkins who said that.

I unreservedly apologise for my error.

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Joshua Johnson
4 years 290 days ago

Thank you.

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James racing team
4 years 290 days ago

Dave

Joshua

Dave

Kevin

Hi Luiz
I am a moderator but you should understand that we are just normal gamers like everyone else. We tend to be experienced in the game so can often help less experienced managers by answering basic technical questions. We can escalate forum threads that need attention to the iGP team and we help to keep the forum under control. We do this on a voluntary basis, we are not members of staff and don’t have any influence over the way in which the game is developed.

For that reason, when I am posting personal opinion (such as in this thread) I elect not to post as a moderator so that people don’t misconstrue my posts as some sort of official iGP response, which they are not.

Dave

I don't run background checks to find out how to score points in arguments.

I have a different opinion to you and that is fine, that’s what a forum is for. I respect your opinion but I don’t have to agree with it. I made no personal attacks on you but you chose to accuse me of only having my opinion because I had quote… “a big powerful team arguing in self-interest”. I was not trying to score points, I was merely pointing out that this is not the case, my stance on random events that only affect one or two teams is out of a desire to have a game where the best manager should win, not the luckiest.

As I said earlier, I have no problem at all with the introduction of safety cars because they affect all managers and the people who best manage the situation will benefit but I am absolutely against my cars suffering an accident purely as a result of some sort of random event algorithm. Now I’ve made myself absolutely clear on this I will not post again.

I somewhat took umbrage at being my argument not being debated but my current league position being used to somehow disqualify my contention that iGPis presented as a management simulation game. I totally disagree with Joshua when he stated that to have a valid viewpoint requires a championship at elite level. That attitude stinks.

Apologies, mistaken identity, it was James Atkins who said that.

If you're fast enough to win championships in elite you wouldn't want crashes to decide who gets first or second. Rather have a fair fight instead of the championship deciding on who gets luckier.

If you are not at that level, you may want crashes in the game because it can turn you into an outside
contender if you don't crash.

I didn't say having an elite championships is the requirement to having a valid viewpoint, I meant that the opinions on if someone wants crashes added or not could be different.

I think crashes can be added in the future, but it shouldn't be such a high chance like the op said.

I do agree with the cars going through each other, whoever said that. That just isn't realistic and should get some work done on. Maybe the car behind actually has to make a move to the outside or inside, and the car ahead can make one move to defend the position. Managers can control where their driver goes by using push levels. I also think it could help with the amount of drs trains there are happening. I'm sure someone can explain what I'm trying to say better, so I'll leave that there.

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Dave Benton
4 years 290 days ago

James

Dave

Joshua

Dave

Kevin

Hi Luiz
I am a moderator but you should understand that we are just normal gamers like everyone else. We tend to be experienced in the game so can often help less experienced managers by answering basic technical questions. We can escalate forum threads that need attention to the iGP team and we help to keep the forum under control. We do this on a voluntary basis, we are not members of staff and don’t have any influence over the way in which the game is developed.

For that reason, when I am posting personal opinion (such as in this thread) I elect not to post as a moderator so that people don’t misconstrue my posts as some sort of official iGP response, which they are not.

Dave

I don't run background checks to find out how to score points in arguments.

I have a different opinion to you and that is fine, that’s what a forum is for. I respect your opinion but I don’t have to agree with it. I made no personal attacks on you but you chose to accuse me of only having my opinion because I had quote… “a big powerful team arguing in self-interest”. I was not trying to score points, I was merely pointing out that this is not the case, my stance on random events that only affect one or two teams is out of a desire to have a game where the best manager should win, not the luckiest.

As I said earlier, I have no problem at all with the introduction of safety cars because they affect all managers and the people who best manage the situation will benefit but I am absolutely against my cars suffering an accident purely as a result of some sort of random event algorithm. Now I’ve made myself absolutely clear on this I will not post again.

I somewhat took umbrage at being my argument not being debated but my current league position being used to somehow disqualify my contention that iGPis presented as a management simulation game. I totally disagree with Joshua when he stated that to have a valid viewpoint requires a championship at elite level. That attitude stinks.

Apologies, mistaken identity, it was James Atkins who said that.

If you're fast enough to win championships in elite you wouldn't want crashes to decide who gets first or second. Rather have a fair fight instead of the championship deciding on who gets luckier.

If you are not at that level, you may want crashes in the game because it can turn you into an outside
contender if you don't crash.

I didn't say having an elite championships is the requirement to having a valid viewpoint, I meant that the opinions on if someone wants crashes added or not could be different.

I think crashes can be added in the future, but it shouldn't be such a high chance like the op said.

I do agree with the cars going through each other, whoever said that. That just isn't realistic and should get some work done on. Maybe the car behind actually has to make a move to the outside or inside, and the car ahead can make one move to defend the position. Managers can control where their driver goes by using push levels. I also think it could help with the amount of drs trains there are happening. I'm sure someone can explain what I'm trying to say better, so I'll leave that there.

If you want the advertised management sim experience then your level of play is totally irrelevant, you want the challenges you face to be as close to the challenges faced by actual team bosses as possible. That is the point of a detailed sports management simulation game. There are far more games that take the route that you espouse. Perhaps, if you don't like management simulation games you should play one of those. Really good management sims are rare. I hope this game joins that small group., it has the potential to be F1 s 'Football Manager'.

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Chris J Man
4 years 273 days ago

Kevin

This has been suggested many times over the four years I have been playing iGP. Opinions are split along the following lines:

Apologies for the generalisation but IMO newer players tend to want the introduction of crashes because it adds an element of randomness which gives lower level teams an opportunity to get a good result against higher level more experienced players.

The majority of players who have been here for a long time are against any random events. I for one would be really hacked off if I were to spend three weeks or more battling for a championship only to lose it in the last race of the season as a result of an incident over which I had no control.

Weather and advanced strategy glitches cause enough grief, I don't want any other surprises thank you.

The is exactly the point. Real F1 is interesting because of the randomness element. The expected is boring. If Mercedes won every single race, it would not be fun to watch. But weather, safety car, crashes etc make it interesting. It's about strategy as well as performance.

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Gion Palm
4 years 272 days ago

Testo

What do u think guys about crash in race between cars when he overtake?
For example:
Chance on crash during rain 25%
Chance on crash when track is dry 13%
Of course when is crash, other cars go behind Sefty-Car, for that reason SC must be add to the game.

Write your opinion

I think this might be a great idea.
but it should be linked to the driver's state... if he / her is tired, oder very young and unexperienced, amount of races and so on.

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Kevin Bissell Super Mod
4 years 272 days ago

Chris

Kevin

This has been suggested many times over the four years I have been playing iGP. Opinions are split along the following lines:

Apologies for the generalisation but IMO newer players tend to want the introduction of crashes because it adds an element of randomness which gives lower level teams an opportunity to get a good result against higher level more experienced players.

The majority of players who have been here for a long time are against any random events. I for one would be really hacked off if I were to spend three weeks or more battling for a championship only to lose it in the last race of the season as a result of an incident over which I had no control.

Weather and advanced strategy glitches cause enough grief, I don't want any other surprises thank you.

The is exactly the point. Real F1 is interesting because of the randomness element. The expected is boring. If Mercedes won every single race, it would not be fun to watch. But weather, safety car, crashes etc make it interesting. It's about strategy as well as performance.

Abu Dhabi, the last race of the three week long season, I'm tied on points with another manager, it's a tense season finale. I've deliberated long and hard over my tyre strategy in the 24 hours since Brazil, changing it a number of times but have now settled on what I consider to be the optimum strategy so I settle myself down for the race.

Great news, I've qualified 2nd and 5th, lights out here we go!
First corner, my car in second place is chosen by the random crash algorithm to be the unlucky one and is out of the race.
Chris. It would be really helpful if you could explain precisely what strategy was I supposed to adopt?

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Dave Benton
4 years 272 days ago

Kevin

Chris

Kevin

This has been suggested many times over the four years I have been playing iGP. Opinions are split along the following lines:

Apologies for the generalisation but IMO newer players tend to want the introduction of crashes because it adds an element of randomness which gives lower level teams an opportunity to get a good result against higher level more experienced players.

The majority of players who have been here for a long time are against any random events. I for one would be really hacked off if I were to spend three weeks or more battling for a championship only to lose it in the last race of the season as a result of an incident over which I had no control.

Weather and advanced strategy glitches cause enough grief, I don't want any other surprises thank you.

The is exactly the point. Real F1 is interesting because of the randomness element. The expected is boring. If Mercedes won every single race, it would not be fun to watch. But weather, safety car, crashes etc make it interesting. It's about strategy as well as performance.

Abu Dhabi, the last race of the three week long season, I'm tied on points with another manager, it's a tense season finale. I've deliberated long and hard over my tyre strategy in the 24 hours since Brazil, changing it a number of times but have now settled on what I consider to be the optimum strategy so I settle myself down for the race.

Great news, I've qualified 2nd and 5th, lights out here we go!
First corner, my car in second place is chosen by the random crash algorithm to be the unlucky one and is out of the race.
Chris. It would be really helpful if you could explain precisely what strategy was I supposed to adopt?

It happened to Mansel. Blown tyre. What did he do cry? No. He accepted it as part and parcel of the sport. If you want clean strategy to prevail with no chance of the better strategy losing, sports is not for you. Chess might be closer. If however you want a sports management sim to be as good as possible, then accept the rub of the green. Man up, like Mansell did and come back stronger.

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Kevin Bissell Super Mod
4 years 272 days ago

Here we go again Dave, I'm responding to Chris's post but you feel obliged to chip in.

Up until now, nowhere in this thread have I criticised you personally so please don't accuse me of crying or tell me to "Man Up". I just want to enjoy a game where having spent a lot of time and effort building a team, working out an optimum strategy and doing my best in live race management, my efforts are rewarded. If I lose to someone under these circumstances I don't mind, the reason they have beaten me is they are a better manager. You're presumably not very good at the game, 6 points in 14 races at Level 18 is nothing to write home about. But instead of working on improving your game you would rather the developers introduce a feature that would have the potential to make the best managers cars crash out to give you a chance. Personally I'd feel a little inadequate if I needed others to endure random crashes to allow me to win.

I race once every 24 hours, I look forward to a race where I can pit my wits against other likeminded people and enjoy a little banter in race chat. I'm not going to be very happy if my race lasts 5 minutes and then I am forced to spend the next 40 minutes spectating because of some random event. I guarantee if this happened on a regular basis many experienced managers who have supported this game for years would would quit, and in my humble opinion that would be a bad thing.

Whatever your reason for wanting cars to crash I really don't care. I honestly think you're in the minority and in any case you're banging on about a feature which a few years ago Jack himself said he had no intention of introducing.

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