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medal 5000
11 years 240 days ago
"Alexander
The game is basically unplayable without paying in it's current state, which is obviously bad for the size of the userbase... but fixing that doesn't really provide much incentive to subscribe.



Seems like an unfortunate situation to be in, huh?


In all honesty the update coming is better than nothing, and "if" it allows for the full control of kers, you stand a much better chance.

I say "if" because I have no idea whether it allows for it or not. I sure hope it does.
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medal 5000
11 years 240 days ago
"Jason

"Alexander
The game is basically unplayable without paying in it's current state, which is obviously bad for the size of the userbase... but fixing that doesn't really provide much incentive to subscribe.



Seems like an unfortunate situation to be in, huh?


In all honesty the update coming is better than nothing, and "if" it allows for the full control of kers, you stand a much better chance.

I say "if" because I have no idea whether it allows for it or not. I sure hope it does.



Jason how do you mean full controll of KERS, do we not already have that? 
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medal 5000
11 years 240 days ago
Paying users do yeah, free users have none though. I'm not sure if the new free viewer will include kers control or not.
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11 years 240 days ago (edited 11 years 240 days ago)
It will have total control of KERS, and it will also show the tyre compounds that everyone is on just like in the premium viewer. It just won't show the temperature of those tyres (edit: I'm referring to in the live timing here, you will be able to see the temps of your own tyres by highlighting your driver(s)). The live timing will also be real-time just like in the premium viewer, meaning you can use KERS and know exactly the moment you have overtaken another car, because the standings will change.

"Alexander
The game is basically unplayable without paying in it's current state, which is obviously bad for the size of the userbase... but fixing that doesn't really provide much incentive to subscribe.

Seems like an unfortunate situation to be in, huh?

We can't always move the two along in perfect harmony giving them relatively exactly the same amount of improvement, especially when it's a subjective thing and every person sees it differently. We do think this is a move in the right direction though, and the next move in the right direction is to continue improving the premium content along with some planned updates.
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medal 5000
11 years 240 days ago
"David

"Alin
I am sure everyone thinks the same, Jason (me included). Another thing to be bared in mind. Although it may sound little money to some, I can assure you that is not the case. Some players are underage, they rely on parents for money, others (like me) leave in countries with low salaries and so on. So, yeah, we all pay to gain advantage. Most people who have multiple accounts usually pays for just one, and control (without KERS) the others with the paying 2D.


I work 12 hours a week, I fail to see the point.

A fairly arrogant answer. By all means, if you have the money and want to pay extra because you are associated with and enjoy the game, then all power to you, but I really do not care how many hours you work a week or how much money you make.

The reason that you are willing to pay is because you have been associated with the game, played it, and enjoyed it for a fairly long time. However, the general consumer will look at the two options, and go "pfft, why would i pay extra for one or two features." Due to the fact that the free to play and subscription are now so similar, I would be willing to bet that iGP would actually see a reduction in income.

Which is why iGP should adopt a similar strategy to that of league of legends. Instead of making it subscription based or donation based, continuously release products that can be purchased either through the in game currency (of course, this would require adjusting how much money can be made per race, it would need to be reduced by a SIGNIFICANT amount) or through actually currency. The current rewards points system sort of does this, but it should be adjusted. I will give some examples below:

In Game Currency:
- used to purchase and unlock new sponsors or supply partners (of course, these would require individual perks, which is what they are supposed to be adding)
- use to upgrade facilities
- use to purchase/ pay for drivers and staff
- used to purchase new tracks (custom league schedules, would require A LOT of in game currency)

Actual Currency:
- used to pay for driver name change, 100% health, new engines, drive nationality change, 2D viewer (already sort of does this)
- used to purchase and unlock new sponsors/drivers
- used to upgrade/purchase facilities
- used to modify team (team name changes, liveries, driver suit, team suit, driver helmet)
- used to purchase design upgrades
- used to purchase drivers/staff that may be above their current skill level (capped)
- used to purchase new tracks

Of course, in order for this to work, there would need to be a consistent release of new material such as suppliers, tracks, design upgrades, and facilities. 

And yes, I understand, everyone will complain about the "pay to win" thing. But so what? If people want to spend their hard earned money to have a 100% car every season, while you save yours and only have a 100% car every two seasons, let them. If they want to pay for sponsors, parts, or suppliers that you can unlock over time, then let them.
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medal 5000
11 years 239 days ago
"Jack
It will have total control of KERS, and it will also show the tyre compounds that everyone is on just like in the premium viewer. It just won't show the temperature of those tyres (edit: I'm referring to in the live timing here, you will be able to see the temps of your own tyres by highlighting your driver(s)). The live timing will also be real-time just like in the premium viewer, meaning you can use KERS and know exactly the moment you have overtaken another car, because the standings will change.



"Alexander
The game is basically unplayable without paying in it's current state, which is obviously bad for the size of the userbase... but fixing that doesn't really provide much incentive to subscribe.



Seems like an unfortunate situation to be in, huh?




We can't always move the two along in perfect harmony giving them relatively exactly the same amount of improvement, especially when it's a subjective thing and every person sees it differently. We do think this is a move in the right direction though, and the next move in the right direction is to continue improving the premium content along with some planned updates.

Jack, the problem with this being you admit yourself that the game is clearly still in development to some degree, users are paying for something, yet the line between what people are paying for  and what free users are are able to attain is in a very cloudy place. If it was a monthly subscription I can guarentee you would have lost subscribers over this update yet we're locked in for a year. Unless some of those people were on the old model subscription. I also think you can see taking this forum post as a poll on peoples opinions that they actually think that it's a some what bad idea to leave the paying subscriptions a step behind those of the free users. In all honesty I think this is an incredibly bad business decision. For anyone thinking I am suggesting a pay to win is the way to go, I am NOT. I just think if you're paying money for something then you should really see some benefit in some way shape or form, a 2d viewer isn't this, nor is livery on you're car.

So what is it subscribers are actually paying for. I am not convinced by saying that something is being worked on, because we are paying for it now.
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medal 5000
11 years 238 days ago
I strongly believe that the developers should do everything possible to make the experience better for subscribers. Howerver, I also think it should not give an unfair advantage to subscribers. Maybe allow subscribers acess to a little more data that is not completely necessary but can make things a little easier. Evereybody should get acess to things like fuel, tire tempratures, and KERS. That just makes it a fair playing field for the people that don't have the ability to pay for this. Sady, people are always going to take advantage of being able to play for free, even if they do have the ability to pay. These are the people that really ruin it for the rest of us.
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medal 5000
11 years 238 days ago
"Gage
I strongly believe that the developers should do everything possible to make the experience better for subscribers. Howerver, I also think it should not give an unfair advantage to subscribers. Maybe allow subscribers acess to a little more data that is not completely necessary but can make things a little easier. Evereybody should get acess to things like fuel, tire tempratures, and KERS. That just makes it a fair playing field for the people that don't have the ability to pay for this. Sady, people are always going to take advantage of being able to play for free, even if they do have the ability to pay. These are the people that really ruin it for the rest of us.

I wouldn't call it taking advantage of free to play... iGP would not exist if they did not have a free to play model. The free to play allows people to come and go as they please without forcing them to make a financial investment to it.

The problem most people are having is that there is with the most recent development updates, there is now not much incentive to purchase a subscription, because aside from liveries and being able to watch dots go around, there is now no difference. 

Look at it this way. Would you rather have a  free meal? Or spend $20 on a meal and desert? 
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medal 5000
11 years 238 days ago
They need to give more luxuries to the subscibers. More training per race, allow another sponsor, XP boosts, extra car development etc. Off track benefits should be given to people who pay, keep the current 2D viewer, the subscribers get to see everyone's Kers and tyres which is more then the F2P.

The more benefits the subs can get to make their team better on track without giving them an unfair advantage whne actually racing, makes the racing not as good and it's like your hacking in other games, making wins less fulfilling and less satisfying and possibly ruining good races where races go down to the last lap.
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