Reverse Grid To Stop People Le

Chris 'Iceman' Tones
3 years 56 days ago

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Blimey, didn't expect a rejection that quick! Especially as it would only be an option and it would have DEFINITELY stopped players leaving leagues and leaving the game. Very strange.

It already is an option, it’s called handicaps…

You want reverse grids, then simply have your top runners start on harder compounds than the rest.

How do players get to see these options?

My sister league already does it in a way. I was going to do a P1 from previous race pits first lap, P2 pits 2nd lap and so on for the top 6 this season but may do it next season if i can get enough managers back in, so kind of a reverse grid but mainly just giving the lower level managers a fighting chance.

Both leagues already do 2-tire rule. Tell it how it is or put up a Poll with suggestions and see what the response is.

Do the pit stops happen automatically or can the drivers override them?

If you mean the 1st lap etc stop then they can do it live or just pit lap 2 in pre-race strategy. 2-tire rule is the same but they can use whatever strategy they want or switch to whatever strategy they want if they come on live later in the race. As long as they use 2 compounds and ideally for a stint not a last lap dash (unless they come on live late in the race and it's maybe a default setup or they change strategy and accidently switch to the same compound). They can use 3 or all of the compounds including inters and wets if they want. No 2-tire rule for wet races though. If it is raining during qualifying but dry for the race start then it also doesn't apply. We also did 'x' amount of laps on a designated tire, which would be similar to Option and Prime, but only those 2 compounds were to be used.

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John Doe
3 years 55 days ago

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Blimey, didn't expect a rejection that quick! Especially as it would only be an option and it would have DEFINITELY stopped players leaving leagues and leaving the game. Very strange.

It already is an option, it’s called handicaps…

You want reverse grids, then simply have your top runners start on harder compounds than the rest.

How do players get to see these options?

My sister league already does it in a way. I was going to do a P1 from previous race pits first lap, P2 pits 2nd lap and so on for the top 6 this season but may do it next season if i can get enough managers back in, so kind of a reverse grid but mainly just giving the lower level managers a fighting chance.

Both leagues already do 2-tire rule. Tell it how it is or put up a Poll with suggestions and see what the response is.

Do the pit stops happen automatically or can the drivers override them?

If you mean the 1st lap etc stop then they can do it live or just pit lap 2 in pre-race strategy. 2-tire rule is the same but they can use whatever strategy they want or switch to whatever strategy they want if they come on live later in the race. As long as they use 2 compounds and ideally for a stint not a last lap dash (unless they come on live late in the race and it's maybe a default setup or they change strategy and accidently switch to the same compound). They can use 3 or all of the compounds including inters and wets if they want. No 2-tire rule for wet races though. If it is raining during qualifying but dry for the race start then it also doesn't apply. We also did 'x' amount of laps on a designated tire, which would be similar to Option and Prime, but only those 2 compounds were to be used.

This is looking more and more like its up to the players to police themselves and not an actual software option offered to the league admin. My experience of the two tyre rule was that it was a constant pain. Players either forgot or couldn't get to set up then we had the post mortem with others arguing about whether or not they should be punished. Surely a simple option for the admin to switch their league to Reverse Grid would be fairly simple? You skip qualifying and just reverse either the last race result or if that's too hard just reverse the league as it stands, sorted! If you want more players playing and more players staying it's a no brainer... a game changer. If it wasn't for the big bully teams crying about it we would have had it trialled in F1 last season so it's not a stupid idea anyway. Just trying to improve the game and stop players leaving for legitimate reasons.

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Archie Bald
3 years 55 days ago

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Blimey, didn't expect a rejection that quick! Especially as it would only be an option and it would have DEFINITELY stopped players leaving leagues and leaving the game. Very strange.

It already is an option, it’s called handicaps…

You want reverse grids, then simply have your top runners start on harder compounds than the rest.

How do players get to see these options?

My sister league already does it in a way. I was going to do a P1 from previous race pits first lap, P2 pits 2nd lap and so on for the top 6 this season but may do it next season if i can get enough managers back in, so kind of a reverse grid but mainly just giving the lower level managers a fighting chance.

Both leagues already do 2-tire rule. Tell it how it is or put up a Poll with suggestions and see what the response is.

Do the pit stops happen automatically or can the drivers override them?

If you mean the 1st lap etc stop then they can do it live or just pit lap 2 in pre-race strategy. 2-tire rule is the same but they can use whatever strategy they want or switch to whatever strategy they want if they come on live later in the race. As long as they use 2 compounds and ideally for a stint not a last lap dash (unless they come on live late in the race and it's maybe a default setup or they change strategy and accidently switch to the same compound). They can use 3 or all of the compounds including inters and wets if they want. No 2-tire rule for wet races though. If it is raining during qualifying but dry for the race start then it also doesn't apply. We also did 'x' amount of laps on a designated tire, which would be similar to Option and Prime, but only those 2 compounds were to be used.

This is looking more and more like its up to the players to police themselves and not an actual software option offered to the league admin. My experience of the two tyre rule was that it was a constant pain. Players either forgot or couldn't get to set up then we had the post mortem with others arguing about whether or not they should be punished. Surely a simple option for the admin to switch their league to Reverse Grid would be fairly simple? You skip qualifying and just reverse either the last race result or if that's too hard just reverse the league as it stands, sorted! If you want more players playing and more players staying it's a no brainer... a game changer. If it wasn't for the big bully teams crying about it we would have had it trialled in F1 last season so it's not a stupid idea anyway. Just trying to improve the game and stop players leaving for legitimate reasons.

If I may ask, what legitimate reasons?

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John Doe
3 years 55 days ago

This is rather a solution towards the real world race entertainment and not any world circuit games. It's even impossible to assume managers from each of them have exactly identical performance rates. It is also strengthened by how their drivers do their job behind the wheel implying a car towards their driving characteristics and the strategy they are planned by this case down to the managers. Definitely, every edge needed to get the win. On the perspectives of the managers, the pleasure is not about seeing a battle between drivers rather to maximize out their strategy to win.

What we see in real world racing such as the F3 and F2 isn't something applicable to the game despite conforming tyre rules towards them. Eventually everyone will outsmart the regulations by pitting less or more because they have the pace (mostly impure because of KERS assistance and the nos like street racing usage). Frankly, it is to spice thing up but it is to remove the true essence of racing should be...

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John Doe
3 years 54 days ago

Aulia

This is rather a solution towards the real world race entertainment and not any world circuit games. It's even impossible to assume managers from each of them have exactly identical performance rates. It is also strengthened by how their drivers do their job behind the wheel implying a car towards their driving characteristics and the strategy they are planned by this case down to the managers. Definitely, every edge needed to get the win. On the perspectives of the managers, the pleasure is not about seeing a battle between drivers rather to maximize out their strategy to win.

What we see in real world racing such as the F3 and F2 isn't something applicable to the game despite conforming tyre rules towards them. Eventually everyone will outsmart the regulations by pitting less or more because they have the pace (mostly impure because of KERS assistance and the nos like street racing usage). Frankly, it is to spice thing up but it is to remove the true essence of racing should be...

Nice poetic writing my friend.

As I said, can you imagine Usain Bolt being given a head start in the Olympics. Of course not, that would be silly.
It's become a pointless forum post now, it's been rejected so it's going nowhere. I'd delete the post if I could, but I can't, there isn't an option to delete as far as I know. As a great man once said 'If they won't listen just brush the sand of your feet and move on'.
I've just had two podiums, I'm running about 6th in the championship so I'm ok, and the two front runners, both from another league are ridiculously ahead. As for the bottom half well they're all on zero. Some of them previous championship winners of this league in fact. Then the big boys arrived. Hey ho, we'll see what happens over the next few weeks.

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Chris 'Iceman' Tones
3 years 54 days ago

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Blimey, didn't expect a rejection that quick! Especially as it would only be an option and it would have DEFINITELY stopped players leaving leagues and leaving the game. Very strange.

It already is an option, it’s called handicaps…

You want reverse grids, then simply have your top runners start on harder compounds than the rest.

How do players get to see these options?

My sister league already does it in a way. I was going to do a P1 from previous race pits first lap, P2 pits 2nd lap and so on for the top 6 this season but may do it next season if i can get enough managers back in, so kind of a reverse grid but mainly just giving the lower level managers a fighting chance.

Both leagues already do 2-tire rule. Tell it how it is or put up a Poll with suggestions and see what the response is.

Do the pit stops happen automatically or can the drivers override them?

If you mean the 1st lap etc stop then they can do it live or just pit lap 2 in pre-race strategy. 2-tire rule is the same but they can use whatever strategy they want or switch to whatever strategy they want if they come on live later in the race. As long as they use 2 compounds and ideally for a stint not a last lap dash (unless they come on live late in the race and it's maybe a default setup or they change strategy and accidently switch to the same compound). They can use 3 or all of the compounds including inters and wets if they want. No 2-tire rule for wet races though. If it is raining during qualifying but dry for the race start then it also doesn't apply. We also did 'x' amount of laps on a designated tire, which would be similar to Option and Prime, but only those 2 compounds were to be used.

This is looking more and more like its up to the players to police themselves and not an actual software option offered to the league admin. My experience of the two tyre rule was that it was a constant pain. Players either forgot or couldn't get to set up then we had the post mortem with others arguing about whether or not they should be punished. Surely a simple option for the admin to switch their league to Reverse Grid would be fairly simple? You skip qualifying and just reverse either the last race result or if that's too hard just reverse the league as it stands, sorted! If you want more players playing and more players staying it's a no brainer... a game changer. If it wasn't for the big bully teams crying about it we would have had it trialled in F1 last season so it's not a stupid idea anyway. Just trying to improve the game and stop players leaving for legitimate reasons.

It was a constant pain, having to dish out penalties, and then when i said that I'm not doing any penalties anymore but if people abuse it i'm just going to kick them out.. guess what, everyone that manages or setups on a regular basis always uses 2 compounds. I had to dish out a dozen penalties until i dropped them, and then since I've had to kick no one out. In sister league they all agree with the premise for the season and they all do it.. otherwise they are free to leave, and you as host are free to kick them out. Although i do agree with having Host controls to do this and other things would be nice, it actually all came down to having managers in your league that aren't d**ks and are willing to get onboard.

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John Doe
3 years 54 days ago

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Blimey, didn't expect a rejection that quick! Especially as it would only be an option and it would have DEFINITELY stopped players leaving leagues and leaving the game. Very strange.

It already is an option, it’s called handicaps…

You want reverse grids, then simply have your top runners start on harder compounds than the rest.

How do players get to see these options?

My sister league already does it in a way. I was going to do a P1 from previous race pits first lap, P2 pits 2nd lap and so on for the top 6 this season but may do it next season if i can get enough managers back in, so kind of a reverse grid but mainly just giving the lower level managers a fighting chance.

Both leagues already do 2-tire rule. Tell it how it is or put up a Poll with suggestions and see what the response is.

Do the pit stops happen automatically or can the drivers override them?

If you mean the 1st lap etc stop then they can do it live or just pit lap 2 in pre-race strategy. 2-tire rule is the same but they can use whatever strategy they want or switch to whatever strategy they want if they come on live later in the race. As long as they use 2 compounds and ideally for a stint not a last lap dash (unless they come on live late in the race and it's maybe a default setup or they change strategy and accidently switch to the same compound). They can use 3 or all of the compounds including inters and wets if they want. No 2-tire rule for wet races though. If it is raining during qualifying but dry for the race start then it also doesn't apply. We also did 'x' amount of laps on a designated tire, which would be similar to Option and Prime, but only those 2 compounds were to be used.

This is looking more and more like its up to the players to police themselves and not an actual software option offered to the league admin. My experience of the two tyre rule was that it was a constant pain. Players either forgot or couldn't get to set up then we had the post mortem with others arguing about whether or not they should be punished. Surely a simple option for the admin to switch their league to Reverse Grid would be fairly simple? You skip qualifying and just reverse either the last race result or if that's too hard just reverse the league as it stands, sorted! If you want more players playing and more players staying it's a no brainer... a game changer. If it wasn't for the big bully teams crying about it we would have had it trialled in F1 last season so it's not a stupid idea anyway. Just trying to improve the game and stop players leaving for legitimate reasons.

It was a constant pain, having to dish out penalties, and then when i said that I'm not doing any penalties anymore but if people abuse it i'm just going to kick them out.. guess what, everyone that manages or setups on a regular basis always uses 2 compounds. I had to dish out a dozen penalties until i dropped them, and then since I've had to kick no one out. In sister league they all agree with the premise for the season and they all do it.. otherwise they are free to leave, and you as host are free to kick them out. Although i do agree with having Host controls to do this and other things would be nice, it actually all came down to having managers in your league that aren't d**ks and are willing to get onboard.

Do you think the two tyre rule actually evened out the race a bit? I've experienced it once and I wasn't aware of any levelling out but to be honest it was already happening when I joined.

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Martin Hudson
3 years 54 days ago

Handicaps are against the purpose of competition and this is a competitive game, not a casual sunday drive.

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John Doe
3 years 54 days ago

Mihai

Handicaps are against the purpose of competition and this is a competitive game, not a casual sunday drive.

So when Abramovich turned up at an average football club called Chelsea and bought the world's best players and bought the world's best manager and bought the league year after year and the other teams could do nothing about it that's fair competition is it? When 5 or 6 managers descend on a league from another all with higher reputations and completely dominate at the detriment of players who've spent a year trying to make it socially engaging and competitive to the point were even recent champions are not even in the points that is NOT fair competition. We were starting to get a really competitive league going, everyone was engaged in the chat even between races, various winners, various champions, various point scorers, a really great little league. Now we have two cars way out in front, like 100 points ahead with still about 7 or 8 races to go, and plenty of teams that would have been involved in the points on zero. There is no problem with players swapping leagues, it's when they are vastly superior that it causes problems. A system that gently evens out the teams in a fair way and keeps everyone engaged is obviously a good thing. I've spent two years starting from scratch building up my team, it's not unreasonable to expect that after all that time investment that I will be involved in the races, score a few points and win the odd race. I'm 6th at the moment but there are others who have spent longer than me playing this game with zero points, some former champions of this league.

But hey ho, it is what it is. Just trying to get more people playing and more people staying.
P.S. Can league admins block managers joining their league?

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Chris 'Iceman' Tones
3 years 54 days ago

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Blimey, didn't expect a rejection that quick! Especially as it would only be an option and it would have DEFINITELY stopped players leaving leagues and leaving the game. Very strange.

It already is an option, it’s called handicaps…

You want reverse grids, then simply have your top runners start on harder compounds than the rest.

How do players get to see these options?

My sister league already does it in a way. I was going to do a P1 from previous race pits first lap, P2 pits 2nd lap and so on for the top 6 this season but may do it next season if i can get enough managers back in, so kind of a reverse grid but mainly just giving the lower level managers a fighting chance.

Both leagues already do 2-tire rule. Tell it how it is or put up a Poll with suggestions and see what the response is.

Do the pit stops happen automatically or can the drivers override them?

If you mean the 1st lap etc stop then they can do it live or just pit lap 2 in pre-race strategy. 2-tire rule is the same but they can use whatever strategy they want or switch to whatever strategy they want if they come on live later in the race. As long as they use 2 compounds and ideally for a stint not a last lap dash (unless they come on live late in the race and it's maybe a default setup or they change strategy and accidently switch to the same compound). They can use 3 or all of the compounds including inters and wets if they want. No 2-tire rule for wet races though. If it is raining during qualifying but dry for the race start then it also doesn't apply. We also did 'x' amount of laps on a designated tire, which would be similar to Option and Prime, but only those 2 compounds were to be used.

This is looking more and more like its up to the players to police themselves and not an actual software option offered to the league admin. My experience of the two tyre rule was that it was a constant pain. Players either forgot or couldn't get to set up then we had the post mortem with others arguing about whether or not they should be punished. Surely a simple option for the admin to switch their league to Reverse Grid would be fairly simple? You skip qualifying and just reverse either the last race result or if that's too hard just reverse the league as it stands, sorted! If you want more players playing and more players staying it's a no brainer... a game changer. If it wasn't for the big bully teams crying about it we would have had it trialled in F1 last season so it's not a stupid idea anyway. Just trying to improve the game and stop players leaving for legitimate reasons.

It was a constant pain, having to dish out penalties, and then when i said that I'm not doing any penalties anymore but if people abuse it i'm just going to kick them out.. guess what, everyone that manages or setups on a regular basis always uses 2 compounds. I had to dish out a dozen penalties until i dropped them, and then since I've had to kick no one out. In sister league they all agree with the premise for the season and they all do it.. otherwise they are free to leave, and you as host are free to kick them out. Although i do agree with having Host controls to do this and other things would be nice, it actually all came down to having managers in your league that aren't d**ks and are willing to get onboard.

Do you think the two tyre rule actually evened out the race a bit? I've experienced it once and I wasn't aware of any levelling out but to be honest it was already happening when I joined.

Manager levelling wasn't actually the topic for my part in regards to 2-tire rule, it was more about having the host set the ruling for the next season, or putting up a Poll, but in some instances it has thrown lower level drivers up further. The rain coming and going does a better job tbh.

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John Doe
3 years 53 days ago

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Blimey, didn't expect a rejection that quick! Especially as it would only be an option and it would have DEFINITELY stopped players leaving leagues and leaving the game. Very strange.

It already is an option, it’s called handicaps…

You want reverse grids, then simply have your top runners start on harder compounds than the rest.

How do players get to see these options?

My sister league already does it in a way. I was going to do a P1 from previous race pits first lap, P2 pits 2nd lap and so on for the top 6 this season but may do it next season if i can get enough managers back in, so kind of a reverse grid but mainly just giving the lower level managers a fighting chance.

Both leagues already do 2-tire rule. Tell it how it is or put up a Poll with suggestions and see what the response is.

Do the pit stops happen automatically or can the drivers override them?

If you mean the 1st lap etc stop then they can do it live or just pit lap 2 in pre-race strategy. 2-tire rule is the same but they can use whatever strategy they want or switch to whatever strategy they want if they come on live later in the race. As long as they use 2 compounds and ideally for a stint not a last lap dash (unless they come on live late in the race and it's maybe a default setup or they change strategy and accidently switch to the same compound). They can use 3 or all of the compounds including inters and wets if they want. No 2-tire rule for wet races though. If it is raining during qualifying but dry for the race start then it also doesn't apply. We also did 'x' amount of laps on a designated tire, which would be similar to Option and Prime, but only those 2 compounds were to be used.

This is looking more and more like its up to the players to police themselves and not an actual software option offered to the league admin. My experience of the two tyre rule was that it was a constant pain. Players either forgot or couldn't get to set up then we had the post mortem with others arguing about whether or not they should be punished. Surely a simple option for the admin to switch their league to Reverse Grid would be fairly simple? You skip qualifying and just reverse either the last race result or if that's too hard just reverse the league as it stands, sorted! If you want more players playing and more players staying it's a no brainer... a game changer. If it wasn't for the big bully teams crying about it we would have had it trialled in F1 last season so it's not a stupid idea anyway. Just trying to improve the game and stop players leaving for legitimate reasons.

It was a constant pain, having to dish out penalties, and then when i said that I'm not doing any penalties anymore but if people abuse it i'm just going to kick them out.. guess what, everyone that manages or setups on a regular basis always uses 2 compounds. I had to dish out a dozen penalties until i dropped them, and then since I've had to kick no one out. In sister league they all agree with the premise for the season and they all do it.. otherwise they are free to leave, and you as host are free to kick them out. Although i do agree with having Host controls to do this and other things would be nice, it actually all came down to having managers in your league that aren't d**ks and are willing to get onboard.

Do you think the two tyre rule actually evened out the race a bit? I've experienced it once and I wasn't aware of any levelling out but to be honest it was already happening when I joined.

Manager levelling wasn't actually the topic for my part in regards to 2-tire rule, it was more about having the host set the ruling for the next season, or putting up a Poll, but in some instances it has thrown lower level drivers up further. The rain coming and going does a better job tbh.

You hit the nail on the head when you said rain. Once again everybody's excited about the F1 race in Russia today because the rain has mixed up the grid. That's why some type of Reverse Grid would be brilliant!

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Archie Bald
3 years 53 days ago

Malcolm

Mihai

Handicaps are against the purpose of competition and this is a competitive game, not a casual sunday drive.

So when Abramovich turned up at an average football club called Chelsea and bought the world's best players and bought the world's best manager and bought the league year after year and the other teams could do nothing about it that's fair competition is it? When 5 or 6 managers descend on a league from another all with higher reputations and completely dominate at the detriment of players who've spent a year trying to make it socially engaging and competitive to the point were even recent champions are not even in the points that is NOT fair competition. We were starting to get a really competitive league going, everyone was engaged in the chat even between races, various winners, various champions, various point scorers, a really great little league. Now we have two cars way out in front, like 100 points ahead with still about 7 or 8 races to go, and plenty of teams that would have been involved in the points on zero. There is no problem with players swapping leagues, it's when they are vastly superior that it causes problems. A system that gently evens out the teams in a fair way and keeps everyone engaged is obviously a good thing. I've spent two years starting from scratch building up my team, it's not unreasonable to expect that after all that time investment that I will be involved in the races, score a few points and win the odd race. I'm 6th at the moment but there are others who have spent longer than me playing this game with zero points, some former champions of this league.

But hey ho, it is what it is. Just trying to get more people playing and more people staying.
P.S. Can league admins block managers joining their league?

Lol what are you talking about???

Every player has exactly the same tools you do. How is it anyone's fault if they (those dominating your league) use what is readily available to everyone in a better way?

How is it unfair competition?

Reading the whole thread, all I get is resentment towards the better players masked under 'I'm looking for fair competition'.

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Kevin Bissell Super Mod
3 years 53 days ago

Malcolm

P.S. Can league admins block managers joining their league?

To be honest Malcolm your Abramovich / Chelsea example doesn't work. Like you said he arrived with enough money to buy the best players which the other clubs couldn't afford. In this game the only thing that anyone can have that isn't available to a competitor is XP / Level which takes time to build up and can't be bought.

You and many other teams in your league are L20 so you have the same resources to work with as any other team. One of the two teams that is currently dominating your Elite tier is L17, so you need to take a good hard look at all aspects of your team and race management to understand how this is happening.

In answer to your question about blocking new entries to the league, you can make the league private by setting a password and only allow new members by invitation. There's nothing you can do about the top teams who are already in the league and dominating other than everyone learning from them to improve their own game.

Handicaps might go some way to levelling out the playing field and some leagues use them quite effectively. But it can become a chore for the host to police and cause arguments if people accidentally don't adhere to the rules. Also it's a difficult balance, what you don't want is people on default strategy and settings getting in the points because the handicaps for active players are to restrictive.

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John Doe
3 years 51 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 3 years 51 days ago)

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Malcolm

Mihai

Handicaps are against the purpose of competition and this is a competitive game, not a casual sunday drive.

So when Abramovich turned up at an average football club called Chelsea and bought the world's best players and bought the world's best manager and bought the league year after year and the other teams could do nothing about it that's fair competition is it? When 5 or 6 managers descend on a league from another all with higher reputations and completely dominate at the detriment of players who've spent a year trying to make it socially engaging and competitive to the point were even recent champions are not even in the points that is NOT fair competition. We were starting to get a really competitive league going, everyone was engaged in the chat even between races, various winners, various champions, various point scorers, a really great little league. Now we have two cars way out in front, like 100 points ahead with still about 7 or 8 races to go, and plenty of teams that would have been involved in the points on zero. There is no problem with players swapping leagues, it's when they are vastly superior that it causes problems. A system that gently evens out the teams in a fair way and keeps everyone engaged is obviously a good thing. I've spent two years starting from scratch building up my team, it's not unreasonable to expect that after all that time investment that I will be involved in the races, score a few points and win the odd race. I'm 6th at the moment but there are others who have spent longer than me playing this game with zero points, some former champions of this league.

But hey ho, it is what it is. Just trying to get more people playing and more people staying.
P.S. Can league admins block managers joining their league?

Lol what are you talking about???

Every player has exactly the same tools you do. How is it anyone's fault if they (those dominating your league) use what is readily available to everyone in a better way?

How is it unfair competition?

Reading the whole thread, all I get is resentment towards the better players masked under 'I'm looking for fair competition'.

NO you're missing the point. I am not the admin for this league, I'm level 20 with around rep 5500 points currently so I'm a decent level. I have won this championship once and usually win at least one race a season, maybe 5 or 6 podiums and usually end up in the top 6 somewhere. Over the last few seasons we've had a few drivers arrive from another league and they are totally dominating the league. With 6 races to go I'm 170 points behind 2nd place and he's on the same level and rep points as me! Before you ask I'm at every race and I take them all seriously. Now, I don't like it but I take it on the chin in the hope that maybe in about 6 months time (we race twice a week) I'll be on the same piece of track as these guys. However, we've lost one mainstay of the league already and others have said they'll give it one more season to see if the 'algorithm' sorts the discrepancy out. We have a very social league, we post and interact during the week and there is great banter during the races. It's took a few of us over a year to get it buzzing like this and we don't want to see it break BUT when you have regular podium finishers 220 points behind with 6 races to something is wrong. That's got nothing to do with sour grapes as I'm sure you can see.
P.S. Voluntary handicaps in my experience are a nightmare, half the managers don't want them in the first place and then as has happened with the two tyre rule people genuinely forget or miss set up and then you have people saying kick that driver out and others saying no. I'm not a programmer but surely it wouldn't be hard to give admins a couple of extra options alongside speed and race duration to tailor the league in a controllable manner. Ironically you can have a race at a silly pace and length and yet F1 has had the two tyre rule for years and yet it's not an integral part of this game.

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Dortmund Simp
3 years 51 days ago (Last edited by Dortmund Simp 3 years 51 days ago)

I personally think league hosts should have more freedom in how to run their league with different quali/race options, blue flags, new development options etc.

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John Doe
3 years 50 days ago

Luca

I personally think league hosts should have more freedom in how to run their league with different quali/race options, blue flags, new development options etc.

Well said.

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Dortmund Simp
3 years 50 days ago

Yeah, each league should be able to be unique.

We should be able to choose quali style, tire rules, development options, car setup options and realism (blue flags) etc. Choice would mean there is no debate, if you don't like it, go to a league that doesn't do that, and would add to the game

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John Doe
3 years 48 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 3 years 48 days ago)

Luca

Yeah, each league should be able to be unique.

We should be able to choose quali style, tire rules, development options, car setup options and realism (blue flags) etc. Choice would mean there is no debate, if you don't like it, go to a league that doesn't do that, and would add to the game

This has just posted by another manager on our league message board.

Franzis Kaner 2 hours ago

"So now the top 5 delta (for Darren that is the point difference between first and fifth) is 187 the largest ever so statistically since the 40 th season we are off the reservation."

The difference between 1st and fifth is 187. What is really interesting is that if you take out the three top guys (they joined in June, July and August this year) the league looks pretty much as would be in past seasons with VRT r out comfortably out in front being chased by the usual pack.

VRT r who have been the best team in Bernie's for quite a while are 70 points behind 3rd, and 135 behind 1st! Clearly the system that is supposed to handicap superior teams who join another league doesn't seem to work anymore. It's not the fault of the front three. It will be interesting to see what happens next season.

Enough said. Over and out.

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Kevin Bissell Super Mod
3 years 48 days ago

Just to put the record straight so that newcomers are not misinformed:

There is no handicap for teams joining another league during the break between seasons. This was removed 3 years and 89 days ago (I just found Jack's announcement).

If a team joins part way through a season they are handicapped by a poor design for that season only. However, because of a long standing bug they actually have a design boost for the following season which can be reset by insisting the manager benefitting from the bug momentarily joins any other league and then returns.

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Chris 'Iceman' Tones
3 years 48 days ago

Kevin

Just to put the record straight so that newcomers are not misinformed:

There is no handicap for teams joining another league during the break between seasons. This was removed 3 years and 89 days ago (I just found Jack's announcement).

If a team joins part way through a season they are handicapped by a poor design for that season only. However, because of a long standing bug they actually have a design boost for the following season which can be reset by insisting the manager benefitting from the bug momentarily joins any other league and then returns.

My question is this: any manager with the bug design that stays for that season of design boost will be able to stack more points on to the car by seasons end wouldn't they? Does that increase not roll over to the following season and so on?

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