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medal 5000
2 years 259 days ago

Chris

Kevin
Just to put the record straight so that newcomers are not misinformed:

There is no handicap for teams joining another league during the break between seasons. This was removed 3 years and 89 days ago (I just found Jack's announcement).

If a team joins part way through a season they are handicapped by a poor design for that season only. However, because of a long standing bug they actually have a design boost for the following season which can be reset by insisting the manager benefitting from the bug momentarily joins any other league and then returns.



My question is this: any manager with the bug design that stays for that season of design boost will be able to stack more points on to the car by seasons end wouldn't they? Does that increase not roll over to the following season and so on? 



no points are reset each season
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medal 4988 Moderator
2 years 259 days ago
Chris

My question is this: any manager with the bug design that stays for that season of design boost will be able to stack more points on to the car by seasons end wouldn't they? Does that increase not roll over to the following season and so on? 

There is no design points roll over from the car into next season. The next season car is a result just of the CD(s) used.
Also the advantage due to the bug won't last a full season if the other managers use the tool of research (spying).
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medal 5024
2 years 259 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 2 years 259 days ago)
Chris

Kevin
Just to put the record straight so that newcomers are not misinformed:

There is no handicap for teams joining another league during the break between seasons. This was removed 3 years and 89 days ago (I just found Jack's announcement).

If a team joins part way through a season they are handicapped by a poor design for that season only. However, because of a long standing bug they actually have a design boost for the following season which can be reset by insisting the manager benefitting from the bug momentarily joins any other league and then returns.



My question is this: any manager with the bug design that stays for that season of design boost will be able to stack more points on to the car by seasons end wouldn't they? Does that increase not roll over to the following season and so on? 

We only race every other week, so someone could join one race into the season then completely mess up the next couple of months making it a joke. 

I never knew about the leaving and coming back fix. However like an athlete taking steroids even when the stop they still get an everlasting benefit. Why don't they just give any manager joining a league the average points and qualities of that teams that they are joining IF those teams are weaker. Sorted. As you can see three drivers joining three months in a row has wrecked our competitive league. Next season will tell all and I will be amazed if those teams 150 points ahead or so with SIX races still remaining are back in the pack! I'll keep you posted. 
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medal 5000 Super Mod
2 years 259 days ago
Hi Malcolm.

If a team joined during the current season (not in the break between seasons) they WILL have an overpowered design next season. They will have a total of 16dp more than any other team can achieve (spread across all design areas). The host is perfectly within his/her rights to insist the manager benefitting from the bug joins another league and then re-joins your league, this will reset the car to the same total design points as the other teams.

This bonus does not endure, it only lasts one season and as Frank says careful research by others will usually overcome this advantage after a few races.
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medal 5024
2 years 259 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 2 years 259 days ago)
Kevin
Hi Malcolm.

If a team joined during the current season (not in the break between seasons) they WILL have an overpowered design next season. They will have a total of 16dp more than any other team can achieve (spread across all design areas). The host is perfectly within his/her rights to insist the manager benefitting from the bug joins another league and then re-joins your league, this will reset the car to the same total design points as the other teams.

This bonus does not endure, it only lasts one season and as Frank says careful research by others will usually overcome this advantage after a few races.

Ok, thanks. I will pass this on to our host BUT what I don't understand is why the guy who joined in May (now in his 3rd season) is now STILL 130 points ahead of the guy who usually wins our league comfortably with 6 races to go and the guy who joined in June (this is his second season) is 170 points ahead. How can that be if after a season they settle down to something like parity? 
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medal 5187
2 years 258 days ago

Malcolm
Kevin
Hi Malcolm.

If a team joined during the current season (not in the break between seasons) they WILL have an overpowered design next season. They will have a total of 16dp more than any other team can achieve (spread across all design areas). The host is perfectly within his/her rights to insist the manager benefitting from the bug joins another league and then re-joins your league, this will reset the car to the same total design points as the other teams.

This bonus does not endure, it only lasts one season and as Frank says careful research by others will usually overcome this advantage after a few races.

Ok, thanks. I will pass this on to our host BUT what I don't understand is why the guy who joined in May (now in his 3rd season) is now STILL 130 points ahead of the guy who usually wins our league comfortably with 6 races to go and the guy who joined in June (this is his second season) is 170 points ahead. How can that be if after a season they settle down to something like parity? 



Because they are better managers?
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medal 5207
2 years 258 days ago
130 and 170 points ahead? They are developing their cars in the wrong areas and are using bad strategies, no doubt about that. You should copy the strategies of those who win. If your car is better and you can manage tyre temps, you will win.

What about an SS-S-SS strategy next race?
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medal 5024
2 years 258 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 2 years 258 days ago)

Malcolm
Kevin
Hi Malcolm.

If a team joined during the current season (not in the break between seasons) they WILL have an overpowered design next season. They will have a total of 16dp more than any other team can achieve (spread across all design areas). The host is perfectly within his/her rights to insist the manager benefitting from the bug joins another league and then re-joins your league, this will reset the car to the same total design points as the other teams.

This bonus does not endure, it only lasts one season and as Frank says careful research by others will usually overcome this advantage after a few races.

Ok, thanks. I will pass this on to our host BUT what I don't understand is why the guy who joined in May (now in his 3rd season) is now STILL 130 points ahead of the guy who usually wins our league comfortably with 6 races to go and the guy who joined in June (this is his second season) is 170 points ahead. How can that be if after a season they settle down to something like parity? 



Because they are better managers?

That would mean it's just coincidence that the three managers that have just joined just happen to be much better at playing than the experienced serious players that usually occupy the top slots. Unless everyone's details were laid on the table we've no way of proving this anyway.

As for the Italian guy: Tried all that, Level 20, 5500 points. 200 points behind the leader. 

Maybe you're all right. I don't mind a challenge, I was heavily penalised when I joined this league and languished at the bottom for a while but about 6 or 7 seasons later won it. So not a problem for me, but it the top three newbies run off with it next season the league will probably break up and that will be a shame because it's been really competitive league with lots of friendly banter and social interaction even with the new guys. But of course that matters little to others. It is what it is. Hey ho.
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medal 5000
2 years 258 days ago
Malcolm


Malcolm
Kevin
Hi Malcolm.

If a team joined during the current season (not in the break between seasons) they WILL have an overpowered design next season. They will have a total of 16dp more than any other team can achieve (spread across all design areas). The host is perfectly within his/her rights to insist the manager benefitting from the bug joins another league and then re-joins your league, this will reset the car to the same total design points as the other teams.

This bonus does not endure, it only lasts one season and as Frank says careful research by others will usually overcome this advantage after a few races.

Ok, thanks. I will pass this on to our host BUT what I don't understand is why the guy who joined in May (now in his 3rd season) is now STILL 130 points ahead of the guy who usually wins our league comfortably with 6 races to go and the guy who joined in June (this is his second season) is 170 points ahead. How can that be if after a season they settle down to something like parity? 



Because they are better managers?

That would mean it's just coincidence that the three managers that have just joined just happen to be much better at playing than the experienced serious players that usually occupy the top slots. Unless everyone's details were laid on the table we've no way of proving this anyway.



Until better players join a league, you'd think the guy previously winning is the best...


Now a few points:

1. While the 16 points mid season join bug might make a slight difference at the beginning of a new season, it does not account for a 100+ points deficit no matter how you cut or slice it. The managers in your league are obviously doing things wrong.

2. While this mid season bug is a known thing, it resets at the beginning of a new season after the season with the advantage. Also, not EVERYONE that joins mid season gets the bug.

3. You can easily identify who has a bug, not sure why you think this a hidden thing. Just check everyone's stats at the beginning of a season, simple.

Like a few people have mentioned, maybe you need to seriously check your teams and see what it is you guys are doing wrong instead of thinking it's a bug (which I highly doubt since those teams dominating have been with you for multiple seasons).
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