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medal 5000
9 years 268 days ago

Uncle Albert. Stay on topic!
:P
 Monza is a medium and hard compound track in real life.
the reason super softs work so well there is because the track wear levels are so low. it wouldn't matter if you set the temp to 55 degrees. would just mean doing 8 pit stops instead of 4 with the super softs :D
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medal 5000
9 years 268 days ago
"James

 Monza is a medium and hard compound track in real life.

the reason super softs work so well there is because the track wear levels are so low. it wouldn't matter if you set the temp to 55 degrees. would just mean doing 8 pit stops instead of 4 with the super softs :D


The iGP Monza track had a bug in tire wear all the years before - until that winter and with the new tire compounds.
Don't know if the dev's changed the tire wear for that track, or if it is just the low temps.
At old Monza hard was allways the best choice, because the softs burned after 3 laps.
That made monza as special as monaco, where you have problems to get temps into the tires.

So I wonder why SS works in monza at all - that would not be possible the years before. Did I miss an anouncment in changing the tire wear?
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medal 5000
9 years 267 days ago
I have only been playing IGP since march 2014
I have always used soft Monza. Once the new tyres came into the game I started using Bridgestone Allocation of 2009

Australia - super soft, medium
Malaysia - soft, hard
China - super soft, medium
Bahrain - super soft, medium
Spain - soft, hard
Monaco - super soft, soft
Turkey - soft, hard
Britain - soft, hard
Germany - super soft, medium
Hungary - super soft, soft
Europe - super soft, soft
Belgium - soft, medium
Italy - soft, medium
Singapore - super soft, soft
Japan - soft, hard
Brazil - super soft, medium
Abu Dhabi - soft, medium
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medal 5000
9 years 267 days ago
"James
I have only been playing IGP since march 2014
I have always used soft Monza. Once the new tyres came into the game I started using Bridgestone Allocation of 2009

Australia - super soft, medium
Malaysia - soft, hard
China - super soft, medium
Bahrain - super soft, medium
Spain - soft, hard
Monaco - super soft, soft
Turkey - soft, hard
Britain - soft, hard
Germany - super soft, medium
Hungary - super soft, soft
Europe - super soft, soft
Belgium - soft, medium
Italy - soft, medium
Singapore - super soft, soft
Japan - soft, hard
Brazil - super soft, medium
Abu Dhabi - soft, medium

tire choises are far from the best tbf. I don't think you'll be competitive using those tire compounds on those tracks
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medal 5000
9 years 267 days ago
"Yuri

tire choises are far from the best tbf. I don't think you'll be competitive using those tire compounds on those tracks


Top ten finish would be nice with the rookies I currently have employed.
I need to reach level 16 to get my Championship winning drivers back ;)

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medal 5870
9 years 266 days ago
"James

"Blunion
What I have an issue with is the unrealistic pit times. I'm looking forward to the addition of allowing leagues to ban refueling and get tyres refitted consistently in under 4 seconds or to allow refueling and refitting tyres in a minimum of 10 seconds.



AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX 2014 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 21.825s
slower than 2009 because of newer pit lane speed restrictions

10s pit stop is not very realistic

Excluding pit entry and pit exit time, 10 seconds getting refueled and new tyres refitted.
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medal 5538 CEO & CTO
9 years 266 days ago
I think an in-house weather system is on the cards, as the real life weather is just too static. This suggestion (OP) gave me some ideas about implementing a daily weather pattern for each track. But I'd like to have it such that there can always be a sudden change of conditions in every race, that's part of what makes it exciting.

There's a lot more to consider as a developer. As a user the problem is "it's too cold too often, so hijack the temperature".

As a dev it's... "how am I going to work that in to the forecast text we import directly from the weather service? Do I scrap those forecasts? Will people miss them? Do I need to write a new forecast engine then? How will I write a weather engine that can be forecast a week in advance and change weekly? What happens at the point the weather changes? Is everyone doing setups before the change for a race happening after it going to be confused? Will the races at that time every week suddenly change from 30 degrees to 10 degrees and screw up everyone's strategies once a week? Do I keep the real weather conditions and inject a fake temperature? How many people will post saying the weather is "broken" if I do that? How much effort needs to be spent educating people before they know it's intentional? Will we have to stop saying we use real weather? Will all of this drain time from our other projects?". That's just off the top of my head. As you can see, a very simple update can have a number of complicated factors behind it.

But having said all that, I still want to do something about this soon. I'd like to change to an in-house weather system, but may have to reach some kind of compromise in the meantime. Keep the suggestions coming, they help spark ideas. :) Several have come from this thread and it will influence the design of our final weather system.
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medal 5000
9 years 266 days ago
Ok I have a VERY basic knowlage of programming, but if you'd set the temperature as the variable you can add a certain degrees to that. That would still keep the real life unexpected changes but would make the damn super soft tires less usefull
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medal 5000
9 years 266 days ago
Jack is thinking people like to pit a lot, I may as well give them a reason to pit! :P

Sounds very interesting. You want a mix of weather all in the one race?
that is going to be very tricky to set up?

Maybe I'm think about it wrong but this is what is sounds like in my head. Scary I Know!

Qualifying in the Dry then 5 minutes into the race there is some light rain,
mad dash for the pits!
The water levels on the track are getting higher,
pit for full wets or stay on inters?
The radar shows more light rain but sun is starting to shine,
every ones struggling for grip. but no-one wants to pit!
A few number 2 drivers pit for wets, they are lapping quicker than the rest of the field.
Everyone makes a bee line for the pits!
Suddenly there is a freak heat wave & the track dries in no time at all,
every back in for slicks!

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medal 5538 CEO & CTO
9 years 266 days ago (edited 9 years 266 days ago)
"Yuri
Ok I have a VERY basic knowlage of programming, but if you'd set the temperature as the variable you can add a certain degrees to that. That would still keep the real life unexpected changes but would make the damn super soft tires less usefull

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. The technical challenge of just changing the temperature is the simplest thing anyone could possibly do. And that's all a player has to consider, "just change the temperature! It's only a variable!". Of course, but it's not that simple in reality.

I tried to point out all the other things related to changing that number which we have to consider as devs. Like changing it for races in 1 weeks time, and how that will affect their forecasts, which are currently text we get from a weather service, as one example. Do we scrap that forecast or hack it in to the forecast with some kind of ugly string search? Both are poor solutions. Essentially, if we're going to forcibly change this number, we need to write a new weather engine with a new forecast system etc. We probably need to announce that we're not using real weather any more and a whole bunch of other things.

If all we had to do was change numbers life would be much easier. :P
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medal 5000
9 years 266 days ago
ah as I've said, my knowlage is VERY basic. 
I just want to add, it's a temperary solution here that was proposed, and that if the minimum temp is 10 degrees it technicly isn't live weather anymore either, so it's at least 1 less problem to think about only 999 more to go XD
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medal 5538 CEO & CTO
9 years 266 days ago
We are going to come up with the simplest solution to this as quickly as possible. I pointed it out to explain to people why we don't just slap on what seem like obvious fixes all the time. Things that look so easy when the only consideration is "change this number" from an outside perspective. There are often so many factors beyond the obvious fix that get impacted, that a small change becomes a big consideration.

I have gotten some ideas from this thread though, including your last post. It's not always what people say directly that is the idea, sometimes it just makes you think about that idea, then another one comes off of it. I feel a lot closer to a solution actually having read these posts. They've spawned quite a few creative ideas of ways to manipulate the data we have and come up with a new weather system. Sometimes when you say "just change that number", it's so obvious it's actually the last thing you think of. It got me thinking... I probably can do something with the data we already have, and manipulate it to generate random, but consistent climates for each track that are realistic.
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medal 5000
9 years 262 days ago
Jack if you still have the weather data from past seasons.
Could you not copy and paste parts of the string into a note pad & formulate your own weather pattern?
That way you can create your own weather system for each track by manipulating old data & keep it realistic


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medal 5000
9 years 262 days ago (edited 9 years 262 days ago)
I remember one race in 50% league at Monza the race started dry then it got wet and it dried up again was the most exciting race I was in cause it messed up everyone's strategies.

I went from 20th to 1st in the space of 6 laps with toymotor :D
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