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no-setup is faster. at least is not slower at all.

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Marcel Smid medal 5000
8 years 70 days ago
Here is my test result. Difference between my drivers were about 6 sec. Other team also.
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Marcel Smid medal 5000
8 years 70 days ago
Driver with no set up were faster
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Jack Basford medal 6098 CEO & CTO
8 years 70 days ago
I don't see any result Marcel. I applied a patch just before your post FYI. Please try the test again if you get a chance.
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Marcel Smid medal 5000
8 years 70 days ago
I try it tonight.
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Sam Leo medal 5000
8 years 70 days ago
My drivers at The F1 World Championship are : A B
The last races of previous season i had hard time to catch the first team and i did a test of no setup on last race:
Italy
Singapore
Japan
Brazil
Abu Dhabi Test run with out setup here

My drivers i think are about the same on abilities but If you check the quali of last lace my driver with bad was faster. At the race you can see that my driver with bad setup was lapping about from 0.2 to 0.5 sec faster per lap. they had on most stints the same fuel and all the time same tire same push. At first and last kers etc not the same because at first i used kers on good setup driver to catch the other and be on clear field . During the race maybe my driver with good setup had some bad time like didn't catch many drs as the other or blocked but was very clear that the one with bad setup was faster (bad setup = default only tire and fuel changed).
I know its just one test will do more but i think its clear that the bad setup should be slower as it is at practice not equal or even faster than good setup.

Thanks in advance

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Jack Basford medal 6098 CEO & CTO
8 years 70 days ago
Yeah, I think I found a problem that would only occur in races and qualifying with default setups. See how it goes tonight. :)
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Sam Leo medal 5000
8 years 70 days ago (edited 8 years 69 days ago)
I did a practice to check for now :
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I will edit for race later;)

edit: At race its seems similar pace, Was busy couldn't follow full race but here is :
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=593938&tab=race
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Jack Basford medal 6098 CEO & CTO
8 years 70 days ago
Which account did you do this on? I just logged in as you and don't see any practice laps done.
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Sam Leo medal 5000
8 years 70 days ago
I made new team for tests not coming form old Igp;)
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=profile&team=38073[url/]
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Ross Bong medal 5000
8 years 69 days ago
@Jack : The bug is still there, here are some examples :

Total amount of design points before Australia :
Katastrophik : 590/600 pts
Monza : 386 pts
Lakers : 381 pts
Drive : 368 pts

1st race :


Top4 teams did setups and attended the race
J Hill is lvl 5 driver !

2nd race :


Only Monza & Drive with setups & attendance
No setups for Katastrophik but he attended the race
=> 38s faster

No setups for Lakers and drivers stopped a third time 4 laps before the end and still got a better result so if we take the 10s improvement and add the 20s pit duration for an extra stop we find again the 30s improvement in total.

PS : Also you can see the differences between cars in design at the start of the season and other teams started with 200 pts or less.
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Marcel Smid medal 5000
8 years 69 days ago
Here are my test results;

mensah have setup and zellweger not and same strategy.
zellweger was 11 sec faster.
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dan ruglio medal 5000
8 years 69 days ago
marcel, do you have any picture? i saw zellweger doing well in the race.
to post them here, you have to upload them to a free place like postimage.org, copy the image url and then paste it here with [img]imageurl[/img] (sorry if you already know, just trying to help)
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Eduardo Pérez medal 5000
8 years 69 days ago
The bug is still there. I lost in the Bahrain iGP against much worse drivers that didn't make setup or practice.
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Hannu Vallin medal 5000
8 years 69 days ago
I would assume this has also happened in our league, it seems like my drivers should be much higher than some guys in our league, but they just seem to drive away from me sometimes no matter what I do (and seem to do some crazy pitstops 4-5 laps before finishing so probably not attending) :).
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Hannu Vallin medal 5000
8 years 67 days ago
Here's some shots from our race today:

https://s15.postimg.io/nxpa6ic7v/training_laps.png

https://s10.postimg.io/kqjt14qtl/race_results.png

Team Heikkinen and Soossisonnit both raced the default strategy (mediums and three stops), the drivers of those teams are way sub-par compared to Hogan and Sanchez (the top two drivers are levels beyound others so disregard them).

This seems to be a bug that affects the race (and maybe qualifying) but does not affect the practice laps done while trying the setups. Qualifying results seem to be quite random anyways, but that's another matter in itself :).
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Jack Basford medal 6098 CEO & CTO
8 years 67 days ago (edited 8 years 67 days ago)
Eduardo
The bug is still there. I lost in the Bahrain iGP against much worse drivers that didn't make setup or practice.

Worse drivers aren't the same as a worse car, though. Again, the results aren't a reliable benchmark of performance either. Only a comparison of two identical drivers in identical cars would be fair.

I respect it when people are saying something is happening, but I can see in the data that I've definitely patched up every potential issue on the web side of things when looking at my own races. When this thread was created there was an issue that could make a default setup near to ideal, but not ideal. I patched that.

If anything else is happening it must be internal to the simulator. But the likelihood of an issue being present in quali/race but not practice in the simulator is close to zero. It all uses the same code.

I would speculate that people are using finishing positions for benchmarks again, but the new iGP works differently to the old iGP and finishing positions aren't even meant to be that consistent from track to track in the new one. Different car characteristics are supposed to suit different tracks.

The remaining area I see room for improvement in is qualifying. It is quite erratic and could be behind the more unusual inconsistencies in race results.
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Martin Hauck medal 5000
8 years 67 days ago
well, i also feel huge differences for my cars at the different tracks, but teams that prepared for race are defentivle faster than idling teams.
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Sam Leo medal 5000
8 years 67 days ago
I know you are too busy when you have time check:
At The F1 World Championship again today
Race My Team and my friends Dan Team
We can wait confirmation as Dan was not in race but i think was with default setup as many teams. You can check previous Quali and Race.
Just want you to check My car vs Dan's car my drivers etc. Quali and first stint of Race that i was on softer compound with less fuel. Maybe my car even if has higher total design is not better from Dan's car at this track but you can confirm and see whats going on. You can check also the rest of car in front of me on that Quali;)

Thanks in Advance
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Jack Basford medal 6098 CEO & CTO
8 years 67 days ago
I looked in to all the data behind this race and this is what I've been waiting for. Thanks for that information Sam, this is something we can sink our teeth in to and I can absolutely see that something unusual is going on in this case. Thanks to the links you provided all the data is right in front of me in hard facts and figures.

Darren and Ricky, the Viewer & Sim devs will be resuming work with me tomorrow and I'll put this to the top of the agenda for further investigation.
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dan ruglio medal 5000
8 years 67 days ago
yes, i had not setup at all... by far my best result of the season.

it's in your hands, let me know if i can help with some test or anything. ;)

thanks guys. ;)




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