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Do you want VSC,SC,Red flags

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medal 5147
92 days ago

Red
league rules are a problem in themselves as they divide the player base down into subsections, reducing the number of players in each format overall. I don’t personally see any additional league rules coming anytime soon.

Apologies for missing the earlier comment. However I agree with pretty much everyone else. Unless it can be implemented in such a way where it can’t be abused by players for advantage, and where it is not random, I’m completely against the implementation of accidents, yellow flags, red flags, VSC’s and full safety cars.

If there is an underlying cause that can be controlled and mitigated then that’s fine, but then as others say the top players will just control and mitigate it and everything will be the same as now for them. Other than perhaps getting frustrated at less experienced players accidentally ruining (from their perspective) races by having an accident. I can see the arguments already ?

Could you tell me why would anyone want to play a game where they can spin at any time on effectively a dice roll. Weighted or otherwise?

That sounds like pure pain to me.


You don’t like Mario Kart? ?
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medal 5246 Super Mod
92 days ago
The barrage of blue shells gets pretty tiresome ??
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medal 5690
92 days ago
Long and short is that this has been tried before and it did not work.

Slightly longer take is that it noused up the ends of races for those in the top 10.  We used to get SC's on last laps, where everyone whom was competitive would have used their boost for a final advantage, but, instead, just went into a procession at the end of a race.

I still think this is a bad idea on this particular platform.
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medal 5839
92 days ago

Red
league rules are a problem in themselves as they divide the player base down into subsections, reducing the number of players in each format overall. I don’t personally see any additional league rules coming anytime soon.

Apologies for missing the earlier comment. However I agree with pretty much everyone else. Unless it can be implemented in such a way where it can’t be abused by players for advantage, and where it is not random, I’m completely against the implementation of accidents, yellow flags, red flags, VSC’s and full safety cars.

If there is an underlying cause that can be controlled and mitigated then that’s fine, but then as others say the top players will just control and mitigate it and everything will be the same as now for them. Other than perhaps getting frustrated at less experienced players accidentally ruining (from their perspective) races by having an accident. I can see the arguments already ?

Could you tell me why would anyone want to play a game where they can spin at any time on effectively a dice roll. Weighted or otherwise?

That sounds like pure pain to me.



Idk,I will not have any problem if that will happen to me,not sure how other players will react
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medal 5000 Super Mod
92 days ago
Bogdan
I don't use the OpenWeather because i know it's not the site/app from where the weather is taken(not sure what word to use,sorry)in game,i had bad experience with openweather too,and that's why i use the  radar(tge name of the app is Rain Radar if you want to use it).
I give an example,i raced at spa and my rain radar said,the start will be dry ,in 5 minutes rain will start and will end in 30 minutes and have again a dry weather,and it was like the radar was saying,that's why i don't use openweather

You are wrong, Openweather is where the game gets its weather feed from. It's just a case of getting the correct node. I find the ones in the Phil Macey's guide ( [2023] OpenWeather Links ) pretty reliable most of the time.

But this is off topic. The poll indicates an overwhelming majority of those who responded don't want flags or safety cars brought on by random incidents, none of the comments on this thread supports you, so why are you continuing to try and convince everyone that it is a good idea?

But maybe a good revenue stream for iGP Games... They already have the code, so turn it back on as a league rule and charge 1,000 tokens for league hosts to disable them. ?
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medal 5839
92 days ago (Last edited by Bogdan Fulga 91 days ago)
Kevin
Bogdan
I don't use the OpenWeather because i know it's not the site/app from where the weather is taken(not sure what word to use,sorry)in game,i had bad experience with openweather too,and that's why i use the  radar(tge name of the app is Rain Radar if you want to use it).
I give an example,i raced at spa and my rain radar said,the start will be dry ,in 5 minutes rain will start and will end in 30 minutes and have again a dry weather,and it was like the radar was saying,that's why i don't use openweather

You are wrong, Openweather is where the game gets its weather feed from. It's just a case of getting the correct node. I find the ones in the Phil Macey's guide ( [2023] OpenWeather Links ) pretty reliable most of the time.

But this is off topic. The poll indicates an overwhelming majority of those who responded don't want flags or safety cars brought on by random incidents, none of the comments on this thread supports you, so why are you continuing to try and convince everyone that it is a good idea?

But maybe a good revenue stream for iGP Games... They already have the code, so turn it back on as a league rule and charge 1,000 tokens for league hosts to disable them. ?


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I am happy if will be added and will be dissabled,and to cost 1000 tokens to activate it,i will pay 1000 tokens for it,why not?,i do everything for crashes,in our league the idea is very supported by everyone who is active in the league,but with one condition,to not have vsc/sc when a inactive players' car will dnf because he doesn't play and repair it.
I will play this game 1 year to make the tokens to activate it if will cost to enable crashes???
And where is everyone who voted for it,not saying anything.Where is everyone who was saying to add it in the last blog(comments)
If you will add it and to dissable it to cost 1000 tokens i think you will lose 60% players
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medal 5002
91 days ago (Last edited by Dick Dastardly 91 days ago)
Isn’t it about time this thread was closed by the Mods?  Claiming everyone in your league wants this (your league wall shows a different story) and you tell them everyone who has commented against you is a mod ?. There are only 2 managers in this thread who are mods and as they are volunteers they are entitled to their opinion as much as anyone.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with making suggestions, even ones that have been suggested and dismissed in the past, but this one has never been popular so just accept  it would never get implemented.
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medal 5858
91 days ago
Passed it, the flags were, at the end of the race they were shining continuously, crashes not tuned and unrepaired such a pleasure.
Or in favor of flags you want to get a crash cars fully repaired - to increase random?
That is, when you will fight at the end of the season for the championship, you agree to get a random crash of the car?
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medal 5839
91 days ago (Last edited by Bogdan Fulga 91 days ago)
Dick
Isn’t it about time this thread was closed by the Mods?  So much rubbish like claiming everyone in your league wants this (your league wall shows a different story) and you tell them everyone who has commented against you is a mod ?. There are only 2 managers in this thread who are mods and as they are volunteers they are entitled to their opinion as much as anyone.



When l said it there were 2 players 2 mods and Josè.And yes it is wanted,it's posible to chevk the live race chat,where the idea wws very supported.
No,don't close it let's see if there will be more votes,they can close it when there will be no votes per day
And a response for the ukrainean player(sorry for saying like that but i can't type your name,i don't have this alphabet,i know how this alphabet is named in romanian but idk in english),as i said to be chance between 0.5% and 3% to crash,do you think if you have a full repaird car ,not pushing at maximum,and not have a very low tyre wear,how do you think it's posible your driver to crash,you have to be very unlucky to happen to you exactly on the title decider race,the worst thing that can happen to you it's to be first with a 20 s advantage and after thatbl the sc to come out and qt the restart p2 to overtake you(i say again like 2021 abu dhabi)
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medal 5002
91 days ago

Bogdan
Dick
Isn’t it about time this thread was closed by the Mods?  So much rubbish like claiming everyone in your league wants this (your league wall shows a different story) and you tell them everyone who has commented against you is a mod ?. There are only 2 managers in this thread who are mods and as they are volunteers they are entitled to their opinion as much as anyone.



When l said it there were 2 players 2 mods and Josè.And yes it is wanted,it's posible to chevk the live race chat,where the idea wws very supported.
No,don't close it let's see if there will be more votes,they can close it when there will be no votes per day


Just for the record you posted it 7 hours ago at which point there was only one Mod who had posted.  Everyone else including me were players. 


When does it end?  It has been rejected more than once  and no doubt if it ever had more votes for, you will want it closed, implemented and never debated again?
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medal 5839
91 days ago
I know it was suggested many times,and will not stop here,here,you will see this year this suggested more times probably because we are some players here,in the igp manager comunity ,that want to have them in the game,and we will stop only when we will have the crashes and the flags in the game(or when the threads will be closed every time when someone suggest the crashes and the flags,sc,vsc to be added because the mods will get angry because it will be suggested for 100 times or something????).I say again,it can be something that the host have the posibility to change it,no problem with that.And if this thread will be closed or we will just stop posting reply here you will see in 1-2 months wsomeone will suggest it again because we are let's say 35% player that want it
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medal 5237
91 days ago

Bogdan
I know it was suggested many times,and will not stop here,here,you will see this year this suggested more times probably because we are some players here,in the igp manager comunity ,that want to have them in the game,and we will stop only when we will have the crashes and the flags in the game(or when the threads will be closed every time when someone suggest the crashes and the flags,sc,vsc to be added because the mods will get angry because it will be suggested for 100 times or something????).I say again,it can be something that the host have the posibility to change it,no problem with that.And if this thread will be closed or we will just stop posting reply here you will see in 1-2 months wsomeone will suggest it again because we are let's say 35% player that want it



Only those people who have no idea about the mechanics of this game would want something like that.

We had it in the past and it was the worst update ever.
Think about this: you often see one or more cars being extremely slow during a race, being lapped once or multiple times, some cars are not repaired, have low level drivers and bad design. Some of these cars run around the track at a slower speed than the VSC speed limit. Since you can't overtake under VSC condition, as soon as you find one of those cars ahead of you, you will get stuck behind, slowing down even more and your opponets who were lucky enough to be ahead of that car when VSC was deployed progressively gain a huge advantage on you and all the cars behind you. And imagine this happening every few laps towards the end of the race due to cars retiring cause they're inactive and have not been repaired.
Think about this kind of dynamics and tell me again you want it.
This is just an example of what we already had in the past, when devs introduced such things. They had to roll the update back. Cause the game became a total madness, all races were a total chaos, many players got their races destroyed despite not having done anything wrong and many race results were completely unfair and only due to random luck.
We don't want anything like that in this game, trust me.
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medal 5839
91 days ago

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Bogdan
I know it was suggested many times,and will not stop here,here,you will see this year this suggested more times probably because we are some players here,in the igp manager comunity ,that want to have them in the game,and we will stop only when we will have the crashes and the flags in the game(or when the threads will be closed every time when someone suggest the crashes and the flags,sc,vsc to be added because the mods will get angry because it will be suggested for 100 times or something????).I say again,it can be something that the host have the posibility to change it,no problem with that.And if this thread will be closed or we will just stop posting reply here you will see in 1-2 months wsomeone will suggest it again because we are let's say 35% player that want it



Only those people who have no idea about the mechanics of this game would want something like that.

We had it in the past and it was the worst update ever.
Think about this: you often see one or more cars being extremely slow during a race, being lapped once or multiple times, some cars are not repaired, have low level drivers and bad design. Some of these cars run around the track at a slower speed than the VSC speed limit. Since you can't overtake under VSC condition, as soon as you find one of those cars ahead of you, you will get stuck behind, slowing down even more and your opponets who were lucky enough to be ahead of that car when VSC was deployed progressively gain a huge advantage on you and all the cars behind you. And imagine this happening every few laps towards the end of the race due to cars retiring cause they're inactive and have not been repaired.
Think about this kind of dynamics and tell me again you want it.
This is just an example of what we already had in the past, when devs introduced such things. They had to roll the update back. Cause the game became a total madness, all races were a total chaos, many players got their races destroyed despite not having done anything wrong and many race results were completely unfair and only due to random luck.
We don't want anything like that in this game, trust me.



It happend because it wasn't made good,so i say agian,no vsc or sc when a unrepaird car dnf,and i think this problem can be solved if there will be a vsc speed limit like 200km/h
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medal 5237
91 days ago
Bogdan

It happend because it wasn't made good,so i say agian,no vsc or sc when a unrepaird car dnf,and i think this problem can be solved if there will be a vsc speed limit like 200km/h


No VSC when an unrepaired inactive car DNF?

Even worse if you want it due to random crashes, then.
We are not driving our cars in this game, we have no pedals, no clutch, no gearbox and no steering wheel. This is a management game, not a driving game. I don't want my cars to randomly crash for no reason. And surely you don't want yours - if you do, you're playing the wrong game.
Also 200km/h VSC speed limit? We should call it VUC then: Virtual Unsafety Car.
Come on.
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medal 5839
91 days ago

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Bogdan

It happend because it wasn't made good,so i say agian,no vsc or sc when a unrepaird car dnf,and i think this problem can be solved if there will be a vsc speed limit like 200km/h


No VSC when an unrepaired inactive car DNF?

Even worse if you want it due to random crashes, then.
We are not driving our cars in this game, we have no pedals, no clutch, no gearbox and no steering wheel. This is a management game, not a driving game. I don't want my cars to randomly crash for no reason. And surely you don't want yours - if you do, you're playing the wrong game.
Also 200km/h VSC speed limit? We should call it VUC then: Virtual Unsafety Car.
Come on.



Why to name it VUC,or to 150 but not more under,and to do 70% speed or something like that,not sure what's the % in real f1,will not work because as you said some cars are slower and with a ?% speed some cars will be slower than other
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medal 5000
91 days ago

Bogdan

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Bogdan

It happend because it wasn't made good,so i say agian,no vsc or sc when a unrepaird car dnf,and i think this problem can be solved if there will be a vsc speed limit like 200km/h


No VSC when an unrepaired inactive car DNF?

Even worse if you want it due to random crashes, then.
We are not driving our cars in this game, we have no pedals, no clutch, no gearbox and no steering wheel. This is a management game, not a driving game. I don't want my cars to randomly crash for no reason. And surely you don't want yours - if you do, you're playing the wrong game.
Also 200km/h VSC speed limit? We should call it VUC then: Virtual Unsafety Car.
Come on.



Why to name it VUC,or to 150 but not more under,and to do 70% speed or something like that,not sure what's the % in real f1,will not work because as you said some cars are slower and with a ?% speed some cars will be slower than other


You really have no idea what you are talking about ??‍♂️

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medal 5839
91 days ago

Skid

Bogdan

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Bogdan

It happend because it wasn't made good,so i say agian,no vsc or sc when a unrepaird car dnf,and i think this problem can be solved if there will be a vsc speed limit like 200km/h


No VSC when an unrepaired inactive car DNF?

Even worse if you want it due to random crashes, then.
We are not driving our cars in this game, we have no pedals, no clutch, no gearbox and no steering wheel. This is a management game, not a driving game. I don't want my cars to randomly crash for no reason. And surely you don't want yours - if you do, you're playing the wrong game.
Also 200km/h VSC speed limit? We should call it VUC then: Virtual Unsafety Car.
Come on.



Why to name it VUC,or to 150 but not more under,and to do 70% speed or something like that,not sure what's the % in real f1,will not work because as you said some cars are slower and with a ?% speed some cars will be slower than other


You really have no idea what you are talking about ??‍♂️




No,tbh i t hink that's in real f1,60% or 70% speed per lap,but not sure if it's calculated with the speed in every zone or corner,or is from the average speed
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medal 5000
91 days ago
Compared to F1 cars the safety car doesn’t actually move that fast and never anywhere near its actual top speed otherwise it isn’t doing its job of slowing cars down sufficiently for Marshalls to retrieve any debris.

When VSC is  deployed the delta drivers see on their dashboard means that their speed in reduced to around 30 to 40% of normal lap times

Of course none of this relevant as it has already been explained in so many posts in this thread that this is a management/strategy game and introducing crashes wouldn’t just ruin the game it would likely lead to a massive exodus of managers.
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medal 5839
91 days ago

Skid
Compared to F1 cars the safety car doesn’t actually move that fast and never anywhere near its actual top speed otherwise it isn’t doing its job of slowing cars down sufficiently for Marshalls to retrieve any debris.

When VSC is  deployed the delta drivers see on their dashboard means that their speed in reduced to around 30 to 40% of normal lap times

Of course none of this relevant as it has already been explained in so many posts in this thread that this is a management/strategy game and introducing crashes wouldn’t just ruin the game it would likely lead to a massive exodus of managers.



So if it is reduced with 30-40%,that doesn't mean they drive with 60-70% speed,as i said,and i searched and it is calculated the 60 or 70% os average speed,and after they know what will be the new speed they just do: track distance ÷ average speed=Time per lap
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