Where are we these days?

Honesty, It’s just plain boring if you’re not level 30 with a T30 driver. 

That's right. If you click on the participants' profiles, you'll notice that they're mostly accounts that were abandoned in 2023.

Feels correct. As a new player it looks almost impossible to communicate with other players. Behaviour is indeed like bots and most of them seem unbeatable. I was expecting more from this game, because not only is the Rookie part a disappointment, it'll take me a trip around the world to reach a competitive level in Elite. I think the dev's have other, more important topics to worry about than 3D and wheel to wheel racing...

Thanks for the update, Jack, although iam a little bit confused how rebalancing shall work. 


So a level 10 account with DRS and DP production also level 10 will be equal to level 30 DRS and DP production? 

And what about engine development? 

Without the daily advertisment videos you either need 720 races or hundreds of token to fully develop your engine... 

Will there be advertisment videos available again in the future? 

BR

Marcus

I am manager of a league that already has 120 seasons, after the last update the Pro category is dead a situation I have never had. That says it all. Plus all the other problems that other managers have commented on where I agree with everything.

Just the drivers’ skills will not be affected by the level (if they are at 100%). A driver with 100% talent for a level 10 player will be equal in terms of performance to a driver with 100% talent for a level 30 player. Of course also the other driver skills will be changed to this new system. I only considered talent to keep the comparison simple.


The HQ will remain as it is. The HQ of a level 30 player will still be more powerful than the HQ of a level 10 player. So the level 10 player will have worse DRS and boost, less parts and less design points.

Personally for me, I don't care how the game looks or all this wheel-to-wheel stuff. I enjoy the races in 2D mode and that's not going to change. It's a waste of effort in my opinion.

There's little depth to the game. The above are correct that levelling up is a chore and your casual gamer isn't going to stick around when they need years to compete. Especially when (such as my league) some players get stuck in Pro and cannot promote, and the admins even refuse (or are unable) to intervene.

Why not introduce a world championship pyramid. All start in a tier and the top x promote until they reach the top division. Would take time to shuffle everyone around, but you could choose - casual leagues that we have now, or enter the championship. Should ensure more active races, and once the dust has settled you'd likely be racing against people of your level.

Lets consider you are right with your conclusion, this would narrow the gap between level 20 and level 30, but with a 10 level lower DRS and Boost, i'll doubt that you are really already competitive. 


And dont forget my statement concerning the development of your own engine... 

That's why we need the pyramid system that Brian mentioned above, where players of similar skill and level could compete. This way the game won't be boring for those who are at a low level. Meanwhile, you can still chose to compete in a casual league.

I don't think the right solution is to artificially make a level 10 team competitive against a level 30 player, who has been playing for years.

First time i hear this kind of self critical statement... I really appreciate that 🙂


You can be sure nobody here is complaining here without any reasons... but its obvious, that even popular leagues have a huge loss of active managers. 

I really like the idea of some kind of pyramid level system, i also have suggested something similar, like leagues for a limited range of levels... 1 to 10, 11 to 15, 16 to 20 and so on... 

But this would require that IGP would have to provide leagues instead of allowing managers to create their own leagues. 

As long as the number of leagues is not limited, a high ratio of the leagues will remain zombie leagues with only a few participants. 

Make a disruptive decision and shut down all 1 car leagues with less than 8 managers and all 2 car leagues with less than 4 managers...this would help a lot to fill up the remaining leagues in my opinion. 

Jack, I really believe you are looking at the wrong issue here.  There is nothing wrong with the levels it is the League structure which is flawed and newer players coming into the game just don’t have the patience to grind unless they see instant success.  By playing around with the levels depending on how well it works you will either 1.drive even more of your long term managers from the game or 2.  It will make little difference as the experienced players will still win owing to the things they do outside the game to optimise their cars, strategies etc.


Changing the League structure is what’s needed.  Keep a quick race system and scrap Pro leagues.  Replace Pro with auto managed leagues that are level banded ( as discussed earlier in this thread).  If you want to see how these work look at games like 
Golf Clash.  Once you reach a certain level (tbd) you then unlock the ability to join a player managed Elite League.  Alongside this run weekly or even monthly level banded tournaments/challenges (again you can look at Golf Clash to see how this works).  You will keep newer managers engaged with an ongoing balanced and competitive environment for them to play and still retain the current features of an Elite level player managed league for the experienced managers.

P.s. EA did not create Golf Clash.  They acquired its creators Playdemic in 2021.  It was at the time one of the most popular sports mobile games.  Also, the model you should avoid is that used by Top Eleven.  It’s promotion only with no relegation league system ensures that most players are always in Leagues full of inactive players

There IS a problem with the levels... It takes too long to reach the end game where people can actually play. 
I suggest double the XP gain rate at least. Give some more resources.  Ya it's a management game, ya, ya, ya, but its too much, for too long, with no reward.
People want a chance to win when they play a game, not 2 years of grind.
Getting rid of pro means what to existing leagues? We won't see any new players for 1 year?

The problem is manages get promoted to Elite too quickly after racing mainly against inactive accounts or bots.  Most are then ill equipped for Elite and usually quit pretty quickly


I see no issue with doubling XP gain.

With my proposal managers would have a chance at winning almost from the start of their journey in the game as they would always be matched in leagues with other managers of a similar level and standard.  This would encourage more activity so more managers would move through to Elite.  And assuming the game attracts a regular influx of new managers the number of managers moving to Elite should increase and be constant.  It’s also a proven successful model used in other mobile games (albeit a racing game has its own unique challenges), some of which have been sold for billions.

I like this change so much. ^_^ Drivers have really huge impact in all of that, and if it'll works in a percentage rate, it'll be much more manageable to fight as lower (tho still having a lower experience, but you won't race in a another dimension no matter what)

Jack, I have no issue with a fair playing field. I want everyone to enjoy this game and be as active as they can. In fact, that's why I don't think this is the right direction. Being a bit closer to the front and circling alone from stint 2 (or when the low level players run out of boost) won't solve the problem.

When I started iGP in 2020, we had a pro tier with 18-20 active players, a third of whom were very close to my level. I knew it would take 2-3 seasons (=months) to build a strong enough team to promote to elite, where I would still not be able to score points in the first few seasons, but that was not a problem as I had competition all along. Those guys motivated me to be active and attend every race to learn and improve, to beat them.

Instant success is not everything. It's exciting to climb the ladder if you feel real progress every week, while you have to fight with some other teams on your level, even for 15th or 20th places. I thoroughly enjoyed every race back then. After a few months, when I reached the maximum level and won some titles in elite, I wanted to stop playing many times because of the lack of excitement. I was never interested in dominating a league; winning can also be boring. Luckily, I always found a new and bigger challenge that kept me here (shout-out to the PL guys).

This is the main reason why I support a pyramid league structure (besides the current one), where not only beginners but everyone would find a challenge that suits their skills. Not to mention that it could also be a solution for the inaccuracy of HoF points, which has always been misleading. The current league structure would remain in the game as "friendly" or "unranked" championships.

Of course it's not my game, and we have to trust in you guys. I really hope I'm wrong and the current situation will be solved by the new % based system, wish you all the best! :)

It could be so easy with a minimum requirement of programming... 


Significantly increase the XP per race or decrease the XP to reach the next level, that would make it easier to level up

Decrease the time to finish the buildings

Increase the motor points per race from 1 to 5

I simply dont understand why IGP doesnt takes these kind of measures to motivate new players