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medal 5001 Super Mod
6 years 287 days ago
Jack
First of all let me state that I have been playing this game for 2 1/2 years, I was/am a subscriber and most of the time it's been a positive experience. However...
The new version was launched nearly a year ago and we are still having to put up with an app that states it is a "beta version", we still encounter regular glitches with the race viewer and to be honest as a paying customer I expect better.
I've kept (relatively) quiet in the hope that things would improve but unfortunately in the eyes of a customer things aren't improving.
So, what are your plans for the future? Will the app be "beta" forever? Can you promise us a more stable game? Will we ever see the reappearance of some of the better features of the old game such as a weather station? Training of staff? A stable race viewer etc?
I don't want to throw a dampener on things but you need to understand that you have a number of loyal customers who are beginning to get a touch hacked off.
I really do hope you get on top of things because I like this game but recently I've become very frustrated with the apparent lack of progress or development.
Regards
Kev.
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medal 5073 CEO & CTO
6 years 287 days ago
Hi Kev,
As you've been around for so long, you'll know I'm more or less the backbone of iGP. As announced in another thread, I am in the process of moving country and this has severely disrupted everything I usually contribute. The move was not planned, it was forced upon us by unforeseen circumstances, and it has not gone smoothly. After moving country, I'm now trying to move again and have spent nearly all my time searching for properties this week and that will continue for the next few days at least.

What this has really hampered is me keeping you in the loop. I've been getting a lot done behind the scenes when I've been around, but a lot of it has been focused on critical support (for users or the other developers) due to the limited windows of time I get right now.

I'll address some of your concerns head-on.

1) "Will the app be "beta" forever?" For as long as we think it's appropriate. Google kept Gmail in "beta" for 5 years. Particularly if you feel the service is not 100% stable yet, it would be inappropriate to prematurely remove the label.

2) "Can you promise us a more stable game? A stable race viewer etc?" Yes. It's the top priority and I've allocated all available resources to it. Good people have been working on it, and one key individual is joining iGP full-time in late August. I've been arranging all of that while moving, spinning many plates.

3) "Will we ever see the reappearance of some of the better features of the old game such as a weather station Training of staff? A stable race viewer etc?" I'm surprised to see a couple of those mentioned at all, let alone as important points. Clearer weather notifications were on the agenda, but not a return of the weather station. Training of staff is also not a planned feature. Saying a stable race viewer was a feature of the old game is misleading. The old race viewer was actually significantly more unstable, but due to the relative lack of traffic it received by comparison to the current numbers, it appeared stable. The current race viewer is significantly more stable than it ever was at any point in the history of iGP. It's processing a magnitude of hundreds of times more users than the old one every day.

Far from a lack of progress or development, there is just as much activity as ever behind the scenes. There's just a lack of me talking about it. By comparison to most developers, I'm usually very highly available and talkative about these things (as in this post) but my situation has rendered me unable to do this as of late. This will improve significantly after I get my family in to a new home we can settle in. It has also been on my mind to write a blog, as it's overdue. We have lots to talk about that we are working on. But it takes much longer than writing a reply post, like this, where the talking points are handed to me on a plate in order.
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medal 5001 Super Mod
6 years 287 days ago
Thanks for the update Jack. Looking forward to the next phase of features plus of course a race viewer that lets you in on time, doesn't throw you out mid race and invoke auto kers and doesn't lag so much that the race becomes unmanageable.
Regarding training of back room staff, you might not think it's an issue but try asking your customers who spend months trying to find a decent CD because their current one has been made useless as the manager levels up. The market is broken... why would I be interested in CDs less than 4.5 stars? I've been playing the game for long enough to realise that if I hired one I'd be throwing my cash and tokens in the bin. So the same useless staff just cycle around and around when nobody in their right mind is going to hire any of them. If only I could train my current staff so they level up with me and retain their star rating.
Personally I dread levelling which is going to happen in about 10 races.
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medal 5000
6 years 287 days ago (edited 6 years 287 days ago)
Kevin
Looking forward to the next phase of features plus of course a race viewer that lets you in on time, doesn't throw you out mid race and invoke auto kers and doesn't lag so much that the race becomes unmanageable.


Ooohhhhh Kev, our man, that just about encapsulates the feelings players like me have regarding the occasional mishaps of the current viewer. Lately though it's mostly been a question of when the viewer lets you in. Reliability of the race viewer is the main deal-breaker for me regarding iGP, since the crux and differentiating factor of the game IMO is the live management.

@team staff: I guess it's either better browsing for staff or the ability to train them. I'm not really bothered by this, but I at least think it should be more convenient for people to look for available staff. The Find function, without its search tags, sorting, and even lack of convenient display of results does not help much (unlike old iGP). Or maybe it's supposed to be this hard to find drivers and staff outside the Transfers now.

@beta label: Google is not a good comparison as Google likes to do things differently or at least give the impression they do things differently from everyone else. Beta usually means a prototype that's ready for testing, between the alpha and official release stages, is usually for a short period of time but can last up till a year or two, and is generally significantly more buggy than the official release. None of that applied to Gmail (except for one huge global service outage), and the beta label was used more for marketing and branding, while also possibly signifying the "constant feature refinement" that people tend to expect with web-based apps. That constant feature refinement didn't stop after Gmail was "out of beta" either.

That aside, I don't mind iGP keeping a beta label for the moment. I remember the first time I played new iGP post the summer beta of 2016 (which I played every day) and not only had to contend with a still beta-ish viewer, but how the "research" at that time was an automatic research to all stats, hugely advantaging those who started the season with the weakest cars, while disadvantaging the "best car" that wouldn't have all the extra juicy design points. At least that's fixed now, but as long as there are teething issues, beta we go.
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medal 5073 CEO & CTO
6 years 287 days ago
Usually, my availability on the forums keeps me in the loop, but I've hardly been able to visit lately for obvious reasons. I had no idea some of these things were affecting the experience as much as you describe, but now I've had a moment to catch up a little in the last evening I'll make sure these things are prioritised. The transfers market should be the easiest one to address, and I expect to have it showing more 5-stars later today.

Revisiting the beta label for a moment, iGP Manager was not labelled as a beta until late March when the app launched, and only the app has the label on it. Obviously, the fuss is more about how it performs, but it hasn't been labelled as a beta for over a year as is being suggested, it has only been there for 4 months and only on the app, which is still very young. Perhaps the web should have the label too, because the app has had a knock-on effect of making the web feel like a beta at times, with the amount of strain it has put on the service. Anyway, the bottom line is we're working on it. :)
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medal 5000
6 years 287 days ago
I already found a lvl 20 staff today, which is great!

On the weather station query, is the decision to not bring it back based on technical restrictions or just a choice that its not needed?

I know I miss it greatly :(
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medal 5000
6 years 287 days ago
i have just spent all day yesterday buying all of the Cds (around 50) costing me loads of money and tokens just to get them rotating and hopefully finding some decent ones. i did manage to only find 5 5* cd which wernt good and rest were 4.5*.

which for me we should not have to do as we need all the money and tokens we have for other stuff rather than trying to beat a broken market.
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medal 5000
6 years 287 days ago
@ jamie R you have me to thank for that lol.
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medal 5000
6 years 287 days ago
Jason
i have just spent all day yesterday buying all of the Cds (around 50) costing me loads of money and tokens just to get them rotating and hopefully finding some decent ones. i did manage to only find 5 5* cd which wernt good and rest were 4.5*.

which for me we should not have to do as we need all the money and tokens we have for other stuff rather than trying to beat a broken market.


WOW, thats dedication!

Jason
@ jamie R you have me to thank for that lol.


Thanks!
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medal 5000
6 years 287 days ago
yes sure is fed up with having crap CD and being on the back foot, now with thoose 50 CD i only managed to get one account sorted now for the other 3.
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medal 5000
6 years 287 days ago
Happened me once as well, it will coming back automatically QUOTE=Boomer Kid]After seeing this thread I've tried to spectate some races and am only getting a blank white page too. Earlier today (12 hours ago or so) I was able to spectate fine. [/QUOTE]

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medal 5001 Super Mod
6 years 286 days ago
Jack. Sometimes there is a lot of "noise" and I appreciate that this must make it hard for you to fire fight and at the same time prioritise development of the game.
For me the big issues are the transfer market and race viewer.
Regarding the market, if we could train staff this issue would go away but if staff training is difficult to implement in the near future then a better market would go some way to addressing my concerns.
The viewer... you know what the problems are so there's no need for me to elaborate.
I didn't want to come over as all negative, I hope you've found the feedback constructive.
Thanks
Kev.
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medal 5000
6 years 286 days ago
same
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medal 5000
6 years 286 days ago
sane
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medal 5780
6 years 286 days ago (edited 6 years 286 days ago)
Fernando
same


Please avoid making posts like this this late in a thread. It'll be helpful to reply to somebody's post you're having the same problem as. Especially when the original reason for this thread has reached a resolution. This'll allow me to understand what issue you're having and lets me determine if I can help you or if I need to let Jack know that somebody I can't help needs assistance.

I've seen so many threads have posts like this at their end and nobody helps because nobody knows what exactly the poster is agreeing with.
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