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iGP Manager 26: New League System Explained

medal 5034
16 hours ago Translate
Nico

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One of the Badest update i have seen in my Gaminghistory



There will be future updates coming. This update was the foundation work for additional features coming.



Its only P2W my friend...the lvl20 IGP was great and simple
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medal 5051
16 hours ago
Okay, yeah makes sense they have been halved. One last one so I can pass the messages onto my community of friends and managers who are also confused and I am sort of paraphrasing it to them as there are lots of blogs to read to fully understand the changes. 

The points system. We are debating whether to buy. Will it be custom points values from p1-p26 in our case? Or will it be the points of the top 10 are customised values. Eg: p1 now 20 points but the inability to change p11 to have points.

Sorry to be asking lots of questions, and as Nico said, who is also part of my league, this update is a good start to be able to add further updates later down the line to renovate the game.

Thanks alot Jack, 

Paul Worthy and also Nico Rutin 
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medal 5000
16 hours ago

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Nico

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One of the Badest update i have seen in my Gaminghistory



There will be future updates coming. This update was the foundation work for additional features coming.



Its only P2W my friend...the lvl20 IGP was great and simple



My friend, perhaps you are new here.


The game was in need of serious regeneration to keep up with competitors. Not everything stays the same and we need to move on as a community. In 3 or 4 months time - once everything is ironed out the game will be as good as new and will be ground breaking for mobile phone racing management games.

Stick to the process of Jack and his dev team who work tirelessly to assist the development of the game. It will come good. 

Nico Rutin

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medal 5034
16 hours ago Translate
I play this game over 7 years...the last 5 Updates are bad and the new also. I think i delete this P2W
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15 hours ago

Paul
The points system. We are debating whether to buy. Will it be custom points values from p1-p26 in our case? Or will it be the points of the top 10 are customised values. Eg: p1 now 20 points but the inability to change p11 to have points.

You will be able to set up whatever points system you like, points for all 32 positions or just first place, anything.

Also FYI league boosts are fixed now, you can allocate them to leagues. I am resolving a couple of minor UI issues to ensure the totals update and don't get cached, but it's working.

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medal 5000
15 hours ago

Nico

ROAD
Nico

ROAD
One of the Badest update i have seen in my Gaminghistory



There will be future updates coming. This update was the foundation work for additional features coming.



Its only P2W my friend...the lvl20 IGP was great and simple



My friend, perhaps you are new here.


The game was in need of serious regeneration to keep up with competitors. Not everything stays the same and we need to move on as a community. In 3 or 4 months time - once everything is ironed out the game will be as good as new and will be ground breaking for mobile phone racing management games.

Stick to the process of Jack and his dev team who work tirelessly to assist the development of the game. It will come good. 

Nico Rutin




right, ironed out, thats exactly why we still have pit bugs in almost every track for more than a year and they werent fixed, car dev which is one of the most important aspect of this game is not working but perhaps if ur not competitive u wouldnt have noticed, so before dropping a huge update that no one asked for and is obviously not working, we should focus on fixing the outgoing issues, instead we're adding more bugs to already ongoing/unfixed bugs
and u know why? cuz they dont know how to fix it, you wanna know why they dont know? cuz the team dev lead is mr AI, the future of racing, AI cant fix the code = the game is broken
everything the community asked for is not being implemented, instead we're focusing on one thing that only one individual wanted
and gg now we made this game p2w cuz f2p players have no fucking chance of catching up with the atrophy and having to train drivers every time just to get nerfed the next season
so no, i am not trusting a game that relies on AI solely to code its game
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15 hours ago (Last edited by Jack Basford 15 hours ago)
Rodger
right, ironed out, thats exactly why we still have pit bugs in almost every track for more than a year and they werent fixed

The pit bugs should be fixed in this update, if you encounter any let us know and I'll get them addressed.

Rodger
, car dev which is one of the most important aspect of this game is not working

What isn't working in car development?


Rodger
everything the community asked for is not being implemented

New tyre model, pit fixes, a new league system (alright, controversy there, we'll work on it, but our intention is to address the community's concerns, while providing a sustainable future for development).

Rodger
rf2p players have no [..] chance of catching up with the atrophy and having to train drivers every time just to get nerfed the next season

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this because the old system was arguably punishing f2p players more. You'd level up several times per-season and have to keep training or buying new drivers. Now as you level up you retain all performance. Also, the performance is equalised so low level and high level have the same level. Before, it was truly impossible to compete because level 10 could never compete with level 30, now they can.


EDIT: Also, about the AI thing... I don't think some people realise what we're doing. I'm not talking about having a conversation with ChatGPT. We're talking about me, a PHP developer who doesn't know C++, successfully building a server-side C++ vehicle physics / racing simulation, all without eating any additional compute over the old ghosting system, which was incredibly basic. This is nothing to scoff at. Coming back to web development after that is like a relief, it's so easy in comparison. This is not the way the general public use AI. These are advanced systems and setups that have been developed over months, integrated directly into our pipeline. Most people aren't aware that this is possible currently, it's leading edge stuff.
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medal 5034
15 hours ago Translate
Rodger
right, ironed out, thats exactly why we still have pit bugs in almost every track for more than a year and they werent fixed, car dev which is one of the most important aspect of this game is not working but perhaps if ur not competitive u wouldnt have noticed, so before dropping a huge update that no one asked for and is obviously not working, we should focus on fixing the outgoing issues, instead we're adding more bugs to already ongoing/unfixed bugs
and u know why? cuz they dont know how to fix it, you wanna know why they dont know? cuz the team dev lead is mr AI, the future of racing, AI cant fix the code = the game is broken
everything the community asked for is not being implemented, instead we're focusing on one thing that only one individual wanted
and gg now we made this game p2w cuz f2p players have no fucking chance of catching up with the atrophy and having to train drivers every time just to get nerfed the next season
so no, i am not trusting a game that relies on AI solely to code its game



Thank you....thats it 👌🏻
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medal 5216
15 hours ago

Jack
Rodger
right, ironed out, thats exactly why we still have pit bugs in almost every track for more than a year and they werent fixed

The pit bugs should be fixed in this update, if you encounter any let us know and I'll get them addressed.

Rodger
, car dev which is one of the most important aspect of this game is not working

What isn't working in car development?


Rodger
everything the community asked for is not being implemented

New tyre model, pit fixes, a new league system (alright, controversy there, we'll work on it, but our intention is to address the community's concerns, while providing a sustainable future for development).

Rodger
rf2p players have no [..] chance of catching up with the atrophy and having to train drivers every time just to get nerfed the next season

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this because the old system was arguably punishing f2p players more. You'd level up several times per-season and have to keep training or buying new drivers. Now as you level up you retain all performance. Also, the performance is equalised so low level and high level have the same level. Before, it was truly impossible to compete because level 10 could never compete with level 30, now they can.


EDIT: Also, about the AI thing... I don't think some people realise what we're doing. I'm not talking about having a conversation with ChatGPT. We're talking about me, a PHP developer who doesn't know C++, successfully building a server-side C++ vehicle physics / racing simulation, all without eating any additional compute over the old ghosting system, which was incredibly basic. This is nothing to scoff at. Coming back to web development after that is like a relief, it's so easy in comparison. This is not the way the general public use AI. These are advanced systems and setups that have been developed over months, integrated directly into our pipeline. Most people aren't aware that this is possible currently, it's leading edge stuff.



I mean, SW development is more and more integrating AI. I don’t see why you shouldn’t, nothing wrong with it. Even testers now use AI lol. If you don’t jump on the train you’ll remain behind and lose your market value as a developer, so people who don’t know should just shut up and let you work
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medal 5051
15 hours ago
Rodger
right, ironed out, thats exactly why we still have pit bugs in almost every track for more than a year and they werent fixed, car dev which is one of the most important aspect of this game is not working but perhaps if ur not competitive u wouldnt have noticed, so before dropping a huge update that no one asked for and is obviously not working, we should focus on fixing the outgoing issues, instead we're adding more bugs to already ongoing/unfixed bugs
and u know why? cuz they dont know how to fix it, you wanna know why they dont know? cuz the team dev lead is mr AI, the future of racing, AI cant fix the code = the game is broken
everything the community asked for is not being implemented, instead we're focusing on one thing that only one individual wanted
and gg now we made this game p2w cuz f2p players have no fucking chance of catching up with the atrophy and having to train drivers every time just to get nerfed the next season
so no, i am not trusting a game that relies on AI solely to code its game



You are probably new, this update has been coming for YEARS. Please scroll back into the old forums about change being needed for more customisation and to fit in with the ever growing and changing world of gaming. This has been well needed for years. Yes, the game may seem buggy and underdeveloped now. But everything starts somewhere. This update is the foundations to the later game like Jack has already mentioned. There will be various bug fixes in the future aswell as new features that make the game stand out. Jack is trying to eliminate a lot of the inactivity with most of these changes, and trying to limit the number of leagues made - bringing a closer and more experienced community whilst also growing the game to newcomers.



My message for you at the moment is to trust the process, trust Jack, and his new devs team. 

The Ukraine war in particular hurt iGP as one of the creators was involved in the war and couldn’t assist to the game. 

Trust the process and please give back accurate and useful feedback to help Jack out.

Thanks, Paul.



Ps. Final message to Jack: I presume the points feature and other features in “boosts” are now live and ready to be used if I bought boosts now?
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medal 5170 CEO & CTO
15 hours ago
Paul
The Ukraine war in particular hurt iGP as one of the creators was involved in the war and couldn’t assist to the game. 

Trust the process and please give back accurate and useful feedback to help Jack out.

Really appreciated, Paul, thank you. And yes, there is history to this too. We were originally promised wheel-to-wheel by a developer impacted by that war who had to relocate and our former artist remains active in the conflict. I'm happy to report he's still alive and going strong, but he's taken some serious injuries along the way including shrapnel wounds.

Life is messy sometimes, not everything goes perfectly. I'm doing the best I can with what I've got, basically running around like a one-man-band at the moment to get this update to you guys. I feel confident for the first time in a long time we can actually deliver on our promises, though. W2W is the proof. Somehow, I built that, and everything from here is much simpler than that.

Paul
Ps. Final message to Jack: I presume the points feature and other features in “boosts” are now live and ready to be used if I bought boosts now?

Yes, though it's also... buggy at the moment. That's next on my list.

Aldo
I mean, SW development is more and more integrating AI. I don’t see why you shouldn’t, nothing wrong with it. Even testers now use AI lol. If you don’t jump on the train you’ll remain behind and lose your market value as a developer, so people who don’t know should just shut up and let you work

We were well ahead of the curve on adoption, it became something of an obsession of mine (that's why I'm being called Mr AI now, I guess!). Anyway, I better get back to it, let the results speak for themselves. I won't convince anyone here and I've got a lot to fix.
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medal 5051
15 hours ago
Hey Jack! 

I just bought bronze to allow for custom points, however the values are coming up as “undefined”. Any thoughts on how to help this, sorry.

This also comes up when I want to select a co host.
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medal 5113
14 hours ago

Paul
Hey Jack! 

I just bought bronze to allow for custom points, however the values are coming up as “undefined”. Any thoughts on how to help this, sorry.

This also comes up when I want to select a co host.



I am also confused as to how the league logo will work. Where will it show up?
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medal 5034
14 hours ago Translate
Whats going on with the Research ,?
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medal 5051
14 hours ago

ROAD
Whats going on with the Research ,?



More information on the issue will be needed
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medal 5005
14 hours ago
Paul
You are probably new, this update has been coming for YEARS. Please scroll back into the old forums about change being needed for more customisation and to fit in with the ever growing and changing world of gaming. This has been well needed for years. Yes, the game may seem buggy and underdeveloped now. But everything starts somewhere. This update is the foundations to the later game like Jack has already mentioned. There will be various bug fixes in the future aswell as new features that make the game stand out. Jack is trying to eliminate a lot of the inactivity with most of these changes, and trying to limit the number of leagues made - bringing a closer and more experienced community whilst also growing the game to newcomers.



My message for you at the moment is to trust the process, trust Jack, and his new devs team. 

The Ukraine war in particular hurt iGP as one of the creators was involved in the war and couldn’t assist to the game. 

Trust the process and please give back accurate and useful feedback to help Jack out.

Thanks, Paul.



Ps. Final message to Jack: I presume the points feature and other features in “boosts” are now live and ready to be used if I bought boosts now?



I'm sorry, but PLEASE stop treating the playerbase as if they are fools or new people (this also goes for that Nico guy). Most of the people who are calling out the absolute abysmal state of the game are NOT new players in any way or capacity, in fact some of them (us) have been playing at a high competitive level for a VERY LONG TIME. Most of us have been playing for YEARS (decades even) and just know how every single year the quality of the service keeps going down and down and down, while prices keep getting inflated, all while ignoring most people's complaints. Please, stop gaslighting people with this "trust the plan" nonsense. If you want to believe whatever is being fed to you, that's cool! But don't try to gaslight those of us who have been here for a very long time and just know the way things have been going (and also how things will likely end).
At least get new material, honestly. "Just trust the plan next update will be the good one!!!" XDD Seriously, how many more years of botched updates and unfixed bugs and inflated prices with worse gameplay does this game have endure to be "good"????? I started playing this game when I was a teenager, and at the time people were already talking about how the "next update would be the best ever" XD. Fast forward a decade ago and I keep hearing this same bs just to justify the sorry state of this game. You do whatever you want with your own money, but don't try to gaslight people into your delusions, because you'll be in for a rude awakening. This game is "potential man", always "when" and "if" and "would", but never "IS"!!!!

That said, I think the league changes are actually very good, but I also think this has done way to late, but it is what it is. Have fun whoever still wants to enjoy this game while you can, I guess. Especially good luck to anyone who wants to play f2p, you will need it if you want to keep up with p2w players hehe^^ (because yes, theres absolutely no chance that a f2p can keep their drivers at max stats with how slow they are trained and how short the season breaks are).


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medal 5049
14 hours ago Translate
How will we conduct attribute research based on this update? We didn't score any points in yesterday's race. And will the chassis arrive on the 17th as announced?
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medal 5051
14 hours ago

Yukina
Paul
You are probably new, this update has been coming for YEARS. Please scroll back into the old forums about change being needed for more customisation and to fit in with the ever growing and changing world of gaming. This has been well needed for years. Yes, the game may seem buggy and underdeveloped now. But everything starts somewhere. This update is the foundations to the later game like Jack has already mentioned. There will be various bug fixes in the future aswell as new features that make the game stand out. Jack is trying to eliminate a lot of the inactivity with most of these changes, and trying to limit the number of leagues made - bringing a closer and more experienced community whilst also growing the game to newcomers.



My message for you at the moment is to trust the process, trust Jack, and his new devs team. 

The Ukraine war in particular hurt iGP as one of the creators was involved in the war and couldn’t assist to the game. 

Trust the process and please give back accurate and useful feedback to help Jack out.

Thanks, Paul.



Ps. Final message to Jack: I presume the points feature and other features in “boosts” are now live and ready to be used if I bought boosts now?



I'm sorry, but PLEASE stop treating the playerbase as if they are fools or new people (this also goes for that Nico guy). Most of the people who are calling out the absolute abysmal state of the game are NOT new players in any way or capacity, in fact some of them (us) have been playing at a high competitive level for a VERY LONG TIME. Most of us have been playing for YEARS (decades even) and just know how every single year the quality of the service keeps going down and down and down, while prices keep getting inflated, all while ignoring most people's complaints. Please, stop gaslighting people with this "trust the plan" nonsense. If you want to believe whatever is being fed to you, that's cool! But don't try to gaslight those of us who have been here for a very long time and just know the way things have been going (and also how things will likely end).
At least get new material, honestly. "Just trust the plan next update will be the good one!!!" XDD Seriously, how many more years of botched updates and unfixed bugs and inflated prices with worse gameplay does this game have endure to be "good"????? I started playing this game when I was a teenager, and at the time people were already talking about how the "next update would be the best ever" XD. Fast forward a decade ago and I keep hearing this same bs just to justify the sorry state of this game. You do whatever you want with your own money, but don't try to gaslight people into your delusions, because you'll be in for a rude awakening. This game is "potential man", always "when" and "if" and "would", but never "IS"!!!!

That said, I think the league changes are actually very good, but I also think this has done way too late, but it is what it is. Have fun whoever still wants to enjoy this game while you can, I guess. Especially good luck to anyone who wants to play f2p, you will need it if you want to keep up with p2w players hehe^^ (because yes, theres absolutely no chance that a f2p can keep their drivers at max stats with how slow they are trained and how short the season breaks are).





Since the Ukraine war the game has been behind for quite some time. Only the other year did we get the 2022 cars update, so naturally many projects had to be placed on hold. 


If you want to trust the process, please do, if not - no hard feelings. 
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medal 5005
14 hours ago

Paul

Since the Ukraine war the game has been behind for quite some time. Only the other year did we get the 2022 cars update, so naturally many projects had to be placed on hold. 


If you want to trust the process, please do, if not - no hard feelings. 


Your terms are acceptable :)

I sincerely wish you the best. My point was just that most complaints aren't from random people, but from some of us who LOVED this game and played it at a top level but unfortunately just can't deal with this anymore. It just kinda pisses me off that disappointment from long time players is brushed off as if they are new players and that we have to keep trusting the plan or whatever.
But yeah, you do you obviously, it's your account and your money! Hope you can keep having fun.
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medal 5499
14 hours ago
Yukina

Paul

Since the Ukraine war the game has been behind for quite some time. Only the other year did we get the 2022 cars update, so naturally many projects had to be placed on hold. 


If you want to trust the process, please do, if not - no hard feelings. 


Your terms are acceptable :)

I sincerely wish you the best. My point was just that most complaints aren't from random people, but from some of us who LOVED this game and played it at a top level but unfortunately just can't deal with this anymore. It just kinda pisses me off that disappointment from long time players is brushed off as if they are new players and that we have to keep trusting the plan or whatever.
But yeah, you do you obviously, it's your account and your money! Hope you can keep having fun.


I would give it a week, and see how things are then. I don't know if the chassis release will go ahead... for me personally I would not want to throw another feature into the works until things were sorted out elsewhere.

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