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no-setup is faster. at least is not slower at all.

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medal 5000
7 years 196 days ago
no-setup is faster. at least you are not slower at all when no setup has been made.

league
https://igpmanager.com/app/p=league&id=95
two races ago (SPAIN) i didn't setup and i won my first points of the season after struggling in the previous races because my car is low on design points.

next race i did setup and, struggle again. (MONACO)

today (TURKEY), no setup again, and won more points. also i have almost the same pace with cars really better than mine (Joey can confirm)

the only thing made me unsure was that SPAIN and TURKEY were good tracks for my car but, in that case, no-setup should ruin that, but it didn't

today, in a later league i did setup just one car.
https://igpmanager.com/app/p=league&id=156

maybe the driver with no setup is better (equals for me), or just better on this track on this track but, with no setup he shouldn't be able to perform.

(ABU DHABI)
My drivers
W Thomas did setup (and put -4Litres in the first stint)
qually 8th, 10th in the race
D Genario did no setup
qually 7th, 6th in the race

i'm not the only one that was surprised by good results when no-setup was made.

can you pls take a look?
this smells like a bug. i can't find the way to understand this results.
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medal 5000
7 years 196 days ago
did you save your setup? this big green button at the top right of the screen.
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medal 5000
7 years 196 days ago
Martin
did you save your setup? this big green button at the top right of the screen.

yes.
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medal 5000
7 years 196 days ago
well, i'm here, i have no chances to fight on this league, and i can do some testing if you (Jack) want me to, This has me thinking a lot. In the previous version, without setups you were going to qualy at the back and feel the pain as it should be during the race. This is not happening at all.
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medal 5000
7 years 196 days ago
I agree with Dan on this, car-setup doesn't seem to have much impact on lap times. The first practice run with the default set-up is sometimes the fastest lap so it does make me wonder why I bother.
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medal 5289 CEO & CTO
7 years 196 days ago
The driver is capable of making errors, and qualifying seems to be a tad too unpredictable still, so perhaps this is behind the mixed results?

Try making a terrible setup (as far from ideal as possible) and running a test on it, then run a test on an ideal setup and see the difference. There is quite a difference in lap time in my experience, over a second sometimes, but usually several tenths at least.
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medal 5000
7 years 196 days ago
Really, car-setup doesn't seem to have much impact on lap times.
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medal 5289 CEO & CTO
7 years 196 days ago
Just tested, this very moment: Laps 1,5 = ideal setup. Laps 2-4 = bad setup. Difference = 0.8s per lap on a short track.

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medal 5000
7 years 195 days ago
Jack, i didn't see that difference during the race. In the first league both cars had no-setup, i was able to keep the pace with cars higher on design, and for the second time in that league i was in the points (the first time i was again with no-design)
in the second league, my car with no-setup was in front of my my car with good-setup in the grid. finished 6th and my car with good-setup 10th. doesn't seems right. i'll keep testing. other guys are surprised like me.
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medal 5000
7 years 195 days ago
In my league the samen problem. The team That was 1 and 2 did no set ups and no strategy. But he was ver fast.
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medal 5000
7 years 195 days ago
This was at spain.
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medal 5000
7 years 195 days ago
@Jack : I can confirm cars without setups are faster for almost each track creating "funny" situations and it's easily identifiable as those cars are running on meds (push 3) without time in practice. For example in our league :



(I added tyres used in qualifying)

He only scored 13 pts before that race and suddenly scored 25 pts in Turkey, and that could have been even more as he stopped 2 laps before the end of the race.
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medal 5000
7 years 195 days ago (edited 7 years 195 days ago)
Another example in the MJL :



He won 3 other races during the season with 9s gap at max, so is no setup the best setup ?

and last but not least :



(in International F1 league, the league with 8000 avp rep.)
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medal 5000
7 years 195 days ago
Tonight in gonna try with 1 team : 1 driver with set up and choose a stratety same as driver 2 with no set up and no stratety.

2 team : 1 driver with set up and 2 driver no set up and choose aan stratety for both the same.
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medal 5000
7 years 195 days ago
Same thing happened in MJL rookies. Looked like the fastest qualifiers were on harder compounds.
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medal 5000
7 years 195 days ago
Same thing for me a few days ago. Missed practice, qual and race. therefore I had no setup at all done..... Qualifies 1,2. Then in the race finished something like 4th and 5th despite not being there and having no strategy or setup done.
To put in perspective.. I usually get my setup to perfect and qualify about half way down the field, for example: had my setup done yesterday and was at the race and got lapped multiple times finishing 9th and 10th

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medal 5000
7 years 195 days ago
huh.. guess I wasn't crazy when I brought this up during the beta testing... No practice and default setup tends to be unbelievably good.
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medal 5000
7 years 195 days ago
Got my set up spot on today, qualified 9th and 18th lol
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medal 5289 CEO & CTO
7 years 195 days ago (edited 7 years 195 days ago)
Greg
huh.. guess I wasn't crazy when I brought this up during the beta testing...

You definitely weren't crazy to bring it up during beta testing, because this was actually a bug then. It was addressed after launch recently in this thread, though. So, this was a known issue until less than 2 weeks ago. I wonder how many people are remembering results from around that time?

Even in the present, all comparisons of finishing positions can be false positives. It doesn't actually prove anything about whether your performance was better with an ideal setup or without one. Finishing position isn't necessarily tied to how good your setup is *at all*. It could be totally unrelated. If nobody else prepares for example, then everyone prepares the next race, you'll have totally erratic finishing positions. It's easy to be mislead in to thinking this was tied to what you did, when it was really tied to what everyone else did.

We've been clear that in the new iGP certain characteristics suit different circuits better too. Like in F1, one week Red Bull are all over Mercedes because the circuit suits their car, then the next they aren't close because they lack performance in another area. This too could explain erratic finishing positions and a team that doesn't prepare performing very well at a given track. Depending on where teams assign their design points between each race there might be fluctuations in performance and finishing positions.

That said, I still think some of the posts here are unusual enough that I'm going to look in to this and apply a patch if I find anything before the races tonight. Looking at my post above, #8, it's clear there isn't an issue in practice, and it would seem to be related to races only.
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medal 5289 CEO & CTO
7 years 195 days ago
I do think I found one potential issue with the default setup in races. It would not have been as good as an ideal setup, but it would have been good nonetheless. I've applied a patch now, so let's see if it improves in the races tonight.
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