Qualifying - Automatic 5/5 now?

Is this happening or not? I've just noticed since the update that there are a heap of teams on like 1/5 or 2/5 push who qualify just as well as 5/5 teams. Did that automatic 5/5 idea get implemented or something? Not complaining just curious! :)

I wouldn't mind knowing either. It would make it so much easier to not be present for a race if I didn't have to lose so much time on qualy because of the push level.

I've noticed the same thing on last race. When some pilots at 2/5 qualified as good as the pilots with a 5/5 push.

I think this has been implemented. We're getting this in speed series aswell. The other day a guy on 1/5 push softs qualified on pole when he was not there. There's no way that should be happening.

Mixed opinions on this implementation tbh - It's going to screw "active" users on the day up big time if they get out qualified by people who aren't pushing :/ Especially if a 5/5 person is on pole, 1/5 person is in second, and 5/5 is in third/fourth/fifth/sixth etc. It just means P1 drives away from the field while P2 holds everyone up since drivers will barely ever pass without kers or DRS.

A great addition.

This means people who miss the start of the race is not messed up completely from now on

But it also means that people who are actually there for the race get screwed over if they are out qualified by drivers who are not pushing. So it's give and take. It's not good for everyone and as far as I'm concerned the "advantage" should go to the players who actually show up and put in the time. At the moment this implementation only has the ability to shaft the active managers and gives an advantage only to the managers who don't show up.

Kers past them then.

Because we all have kers available at the start?

This happened in Speed Series the other day Ryan. P1 and P2 softs 5/5, fine. P3 and P4 1/5 softs. By the time DRS opened up, P1 and P2 had a 7 second gap over us back in P5 and lower.

I'm sorry but imo it's just silly. Give an advantage to users who don't show up and give the disadvantage to active users who put in time and effort daily. Logical - This is not.

This said however, if kers was fully charged at race start then yes I would have no problem with it whatsoever.

Sorry for the mix up.  This was implemented ready for the main game update, however it wasn't supposed to have gone live as part of this recent architectural update, which is why it wasn't announced.  So you have correctly identified what is going on:  All drivers are now automatically set to "Push Hard" for qualifying.

I think as Eton pointed out there will be mixed opinions about this.  I still expect that there will be more people in favour of the switch.  If not and if it is clearly unpopular we can change it back.

Had this twice in the 3 races since it was implimented, i was p3 and 2/5 push was p2, leader was 7.4 seconds clear by time drs opened after 2 laps, race over in 50% races, the other 1 i was p13 on grid and had 8 x 2/5 push cars ahead on grid, Top 4 were like 10-12 secs clear by lap 4 stuck in that cue.. Was so frustrating, any1 who manages to get pole and online has won when this happens or at least clear of the 2/5 push cars in quali.
Great for people not online, Total nightmare for the people that are online and get screwed unless ur p1 in quali.
Im wishing people were online every race so at least can keep leader/leaders in sight as every1 is 5/5 during opening laps.


b4 this happened i would of said great addition, since actually being in the middle of it, i dont like it at all......

Don't change it back. It was totally counterintuitive to have to tell one's drivers how hard to push in qualifying, not to mention that qualifying pace automatically = race pace unless one had 2D.

If nothing else, it will cut down on 90% of the "AW HELL I WAS ON 5/5 AND DIDN'T GET THERE IN TIME AND NOW MY TIRES ARE COOKED GOD YOU DEVS SUCK" forum posts.

I'm all for people who can't make the race to actually be competitive.

What so you made the race which means people who are late/miss the live race should pull over and let you pass?

Reason it however you want - This implementation will see MANY 2D users / active users getting seriously frustrated and I am already one of them. Quote me on it, especially if it ever happens to you.

Yes Ryan, as far as I'm concerned, if you are AFK for a race you should not be granted an advantage. This is just as effective as people purposely setting their drivers on 1/5 to hold people up.

The first few laps can decide a win or loss in a race - You all should know this. I'm seriously surprised to see any of you agreeing with this. Especially your league Ryan - Give someone P1 and a 10 second lead in the first few laps and the race is over. Chuck Lewis on P1 and P2 and have a two 1/5 guys on P3 and P4 while P5 and everyone else behind P5 are on 5/5 - Lewis would have won the race in the first lap.

I'm sorry to sound blunt but I personally feel this will be a game breaker and really start to annoy people.

I'm actually really disappointed to see people agreeing with this. If you're going to introduce a new system like this then it should be like you said it was in the beta (EG being able to tell your drivers which laps to push / not push before the race. Atleast this way you won't get road blockers) .. THAT would make more sense than gifting someone a good qualifying position whilst being slow in a race.

So am I Ryan, but this isn't the way to do it.

Allowing them to pre-program each laps push level (like it was apparently once implemented a long time ago?) would be a much better feature, not just giving them the ability to qualify well and then potentially screw up many other peoples races while they are slow on the track.

How is it logical to grant someone the ability to qualify well (lets say 1 person) if the same feature has the ability to screw many people over in a race (say 10 or more?)

Let's say a league has 16 teams. 14 are active, 2 are not. One of the active teams qualify P1 and P2, and the two free teams are set on 1/5 but qualify P3, P4, P5 and P6, and the other 13 active teams are P7 -> P32 on the grid. P1 and P2 will take off with a massive lead while the rest are stuck in a freight train of slow traffic. How is it fair to grant two people an advantage if it manages to disadvantage 13 other people?

That doesn't make any sense.

From the sounds of it, it seems the veterans are really unhappy about this change, and after weighing both sides I don't think this is a proper solution. I can see the reasoning behind having quali laps be on maximum push, but this change seriously disadvantages the people who actually show up to races. Someone on 5/5 push shouldn't be getting held up by someone on 1/5 or 2/5, except maybe in stupid and unrealistic situations like 5/5 on Hards vs 2/5 on Softs at Monaco (and really, who would use 2/5 on Softs at Monaco?).

It seems to me that push levels don't really make that much difference as far as overtaking/defending vs. other cars. Multiple times over this week, I've been on a two-stop strategy, and after my first stop come under attack from a driver who is one-stopping, and even in places when I realize I have them beat on strategy and try to let them go by, they struggle to pass me. I actually had a Level 10 driver on another team take two laps to pass my Level 7, even when I went to 1/5 to try to let them by. I've been held up behind drivers on low push while running 5/5 and it just takes unrealistically long to get by. Push levels obviously make a difference as far as tire heat and lap times, but in regards to battling other cars for position, the effect isn't nearly enough.

Plus, I see how this could be abused. What's to prevent someone in a two-car league with a fast car (or people with two teams in a one-car league) and drivers setting one driver to 5/5 and the other to 1/5 and then qualifying 1-2? The driver on 5/5 will run away while the other will hold up the rest of the field and walk off with an easy win. In my opinion, 1/5 push should basically be "roll over and hand the position away" if that driver comes under attack. And on a separate but related note, I don't think a driver on 1/5 push should be using KERS to pass/defend, as my driver has done more than once. (The AI also doesn't use KERS effectively at all, using it for 20 seconds when 5 would have done.)

Perhaps whilst this is introduced the difficulty of overtaking could be reviewed?

It seems many of our passes once our drivers are trained in our league happens only in DRS zones and mostly with the use of KERS on top. Even then, I've seen many attempts held off and people often have to switch from 1 or 2/5 to 5/5 just to get the job done.

I do see the picture you're painting Eton, but we still have the same issue currently where non-active (or the users who Qualify, but are late/no show) start from 3rd on the grid, say, and are on push hard, meaning they are competitive for 4-5 laps and then just become a massive roadblock with bright red tires. Throw that situation into Bahrain or Abu Dhabi and they're a rolling red-tire roadblock from lap 2 or 3 when everyone has uncharged KERS.

Swapping one problem for another, perhaps?

Yeah fair point and yes it is annoying when that happens aswell. The thing is, that can still happen, so at the moment you still have one problem there and you're introducing an additional one.

Don't get me wrong, I agree free users shouldn't be disadvantaged to paying users in terms of speed (eg I think they SHOULD be able to atleast see their tyre colours - Racing blind is silly aswell)

I'm not saying change this system back any way - I think it just needs to be reviewed. If more people are for it then against it then by all means cancel out my opinion. I just imagine in the mean time you're going to get some very annoyed managers, especially the ones that this has a negative effect for.

You are right about passing though Ryan. It does seem silly when a 5/5 driver down the straight won't pass a 1/5 driver even though he is right up their snout and considering how slow the 1/5 driver is going. Seriously, how often does a pass happen in iGP unless it is under DRS or kers? Virtually never.

And i am assuming that the degree by which the driver has trained in overtaking and defending will also have an effect on what has been said above?