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VOTE: Future of Quick Races

In which direction do you think we should we take Quick Races?

13.68% (234)
A - No XP gains from Quick Races when in a league
49.8% (852)
B - 'Track time' limits and no car/driver condition
36.53% (625)
C - Quick Race Chassis & Driver
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Jack Basford medal 5193 CEO & CTO
5 years 149 days ago (Last edited by Jack Basford 5 years 149 days ago)
There have been several debates about Quick Races since its introduction, mainly aimed at ensuring it is well balanced and doesn't impact leagues. After discussing this with many managers, I have put together three proposed systems / directions in which we can take Quick Races, intended to address all of your suggestions and feedback from the initial release. Please read them carefully, as well as the design constraints at the end, and then cast your vote.

Option A - No XP gains from Quick Races when in a league
Simply, this would prevent gaining any level XP from Quick Races while in a league. No other changes would be made to the system, meaning your league car would be the one taking part in the races still.

Option B - 'Track time' limits and no car/driver condition
Quick Races become completely detached from cars or drivers, and there is no car condition or driver health. They are always 100% starting the race. Instead, what you have is a limited amount of “track time” per day, distributed across League and Quick Races. This ensures that each user consumes a manageable amount of server resources each day while offering them the option to get as much “track time” as they want by using Tokens.

Level XP is not awarded in Quick Races if you are in a league. Essentially, Option A is bundled in to this system. Also, none of your drivers do Quick Races, *your name* is displayed instead as the driver, but you do not have to manage the health or condition of the driver or car.

Option C - Quick Race Chassis & Driver
This is similar to Option A, except your team receives a third car to manage, with no design, only the condition of the car and engine to maintain (via the options already in the Quick Race lobby). Your league chassis do not take part and are entirely separate from Quick Races.

Level XP is not awarded in Quick Races if you are in a league. Essentially, Option A is bundled in to this system. Also, none of your drivers do Quick Races, *your name* is displayed instead as the driver, but you behave like a driver and have health to maintain which restores at 5% per hour.





What are the design constraints of any system?

  • Limited server resources – we cannot provide unlimited track time to everyone for free, as every race requires server resources. The more races are running the more strain our servers are under, so we have to ensure sensible limits on simulations. This can be achieved by limiting track time itself or car and driver usage (via parts and health).

  • League racers don’t want Quick Races to be a necessity to stay competitive – For obvious reasons, league participants have made it clear to us that they don’t want to have to do Quick Races to compete in their leagues. We agree. This can be achieved either by capping XP or by detaching Quick Races from leagues. I have also opted in each proposal to remove level XP from Quick Races when in a league, as this seems to work best with everyone's needs and time commitments.

  • Quick Races should allow progression through the game – Our goal is that Quick Races can also provide an alternative way to progress through the levels of iGP Manager, without having to commit to a league schedule. Many people have made it clear to us that they love the game, but had to stop playing due to league schedules enforcing when they can race. One major advantage of the Quick Race system is that it has allowed us to create a way to play for these people.

  • Managers wanted league race XP restored to previous levels - This will be restored to previous levels and implemented in any of the proposed systems and is not up for debate.


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Slo Bro medal 5000
5 years 149 days ago (Last edited by Jack Basford 5 years 149 days ago)
Xp of quick races risks unbalancing a whole league. The balance in this game is so well done, neatly finetuned and that is very hard to accomplish. Do pls take xp of quick races out for those in a league. 
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James Atkins medal 5032
5 years 149 days ago
I don't mind track time limits at all tbh option b sounds great
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Honza Zouzal medal 5000
5 years 149 days ago
If we have discusion about...
Please make 2 menus in team history.... 
League races / Quick races...
Now its complocated search somethink in history of the races because all is in one row... 
Thanks
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Andrea L'enigmista medal 5000
5 years 149 days ago
The fast races should only give xp to those who win the fast race if there are less than 5 players, or at most to the second classified if the players are 10, the third classified if the players are more than 15 ... etc. A competitive car is needed to win: new engine, 100% health driver, new mechanical parts, a winning strategy.

This does not mean altering the championship because those who participate in fast races are spending tokens like in the championship.
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Yunus Unia Blunion medal 5870
5 years 149 days ago (Last edited by Yunus Unia Blunion 5 years 148 days ago)
Jack
Option C - Quick Race Chassis & Driver
This is similar to Option A, except your team receives a third car to manage, with no design, only the condition of the car and engine to maintain (via the options already in the Quick Race lobby). Your league chassis do not take part and are entirely separate from Quick Races.

Level XP is not awarded in Quick Races if you are in a league. Essentially, Option A is bundled in to this system. Also, none of your drivers do Quick Races, *your name* is displayed instead as the driver, but you behave like a driver and have health to maintain which restores at 5% per hour.


Speaking as a player, personally, I like Option C. I think it would be cool if Quick Races were a separate mode of the game, e.g., Leagues are the 'Career' and Quick Races are an 'arcade' mode.

Managing a separate car with its own resources separate from my main team sounds a lot more interesting, especially considering everything is leveled and equal, its my own management versus other managers. 

I think this would let players race a lot more often to their heart's content, especially with friends and league mates. It would maybe even work better with introducing a separate system putting managers within a class letter system, similar to what GT Sport does, or re-working Reputation. This would give Quick Races the ability to allow managers to match with others similar to their level of skill if they want a harder challenge.
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Dominik Reiner medal 5000
5 years 148 days ago
Maybe you should think about a junior league, all in all with four cars and drivers for every player to drive in a secondary league. Quick races have no big advantages for us players! We just lose engine power, car parts and driver endurance! 
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M. Truche medal 5544 Moderator
5 years 148 days ago
Option B sounds good.
For managers in a league, it allows to focus on league races and have fun with QR without having to manage another car. 
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Peter Man medal 5000
5 years 148 days ago (Last edited by Peter Man 5 years 148 days ago)
After reading thoroughly the above article, I have voted for Option B, as I feel it addresses the majority of the initial issues, whilst maintaining the option for players to play more, if they should feel so.

Going through the other 2 options:

Options A allows for unlimited Quick Races, using up more server resources than arguably necessary, and possibly even impacting normal league race stability as a due result, and for arguably a small gain (I don't think many players will normally race past 10 Quick Races per day)

For this reason, I would even propose that the data generated from all the Quick Races be wiped after, say 2 days, to prevent any future data stability issues. 2 days, in my opinion, is enough time for anyone wishing to make notes, or export the race CSV.

Option C is an interesting proposal. I've had to read that one a few times to understand it fully :-D


  • The 3rd car proposal could work well in sync with the future proposed daily rewards scheme. It would certainly require those players who plan to race an above average amount of Quick Races to utilise that future daily rewards scheme. Good for the increased log in times/ads watch time, the daily rewards will also have to be carefully monitored to ensure the rewards are proportionate.




  • The Health % for the driver could be too much of a limiting factor, as it currently stands. Again, in conjunction with the future daily rewards scheme, it could work well, but I feel it would be easier (especially for the casual manager market) that this is set at 100%



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Moacir Fernandes medal 5000
5 years 148 days ago
As a  new player (lv 8), I'm happy with the changes provided for xp gain because allow me to be competitive and have a more progressive evolution of my facilities. It was pretty hard to evolve my facilities at same pace as my level grow, leaving me with a hard choice between upgrade design only or upgrade design and tecnology.
Maybe a good approach is a different formula for xp gain for mid/high levels, since the xp needed for level up is somewhat exponential, leaving the possibilty of running quick races for xp gain at my discretion (limited quantity for servers health).
I don't think that spent 1 token for quick race is a smart choice, since tokens are too valuable to spent for fun.
So, I won't vote. Just want to leave my opinion.
Sorry for my bad english.
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Ovih Sapiens medal 5304 SUPPORT AGENT
5 years 148 days ago
I like Option C.... Sounds interesting. 
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Gleyson Falavigna medal 6298
5 years 148 days ago
B for me
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Ben Cabral medal 5000
5 years 148 days ago
Option D.=  Leave it as it is. 
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Stanislav Zilong medal 5000
5 years 148 days ago

Answer D, leave everything as it was ?
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Loren León López medal 5000
5 years 148 days ago
La B
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Matt Smith medal 5000
5 years 148 days ago
I dont mind if you get rid of any rewards from the races but option B sounds really good.
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Jack Basford medal 5193 CEO & CTO
5 years 148 days ago
Ben
Option D.=  Leave it as it is. 

I feel a bit silly for not putting this option in the poll now. Maybe we can treat this as a knockout stage, the best two ideas will go up against "keep it as it is" in a second poll.
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Asmodeus Dreadnauht medal 5000
5 years 148 days ago (Last edited by Asmodeus Dreadnauht 5 years 148 days ago)
Personally, I think the taking away of the XP gained from the QR will be detrimental to those struggling to stay competitive with the other managers that win consecutive league races. 
I want to be active in my league races but because I am more likely to have a better chance of winning a QR than a league race, I'd be more inclined to quit my league and just get those valuable XP outside the league.
I prefer option B: I'm OK with limiting the number of daily QR to free up the servers but, I don't agree to spending tokens to race. Taking away precious XP because it is not in a league makes no sense. Higher level Mgrs. can afford to buy better staff and drivers making it unbalanced in league races. I like that QRs are evened out.
Also changing the prizes gained by finishing positions makes sense. 1st - whatever gets 150K? Otherwise I like the QR feature very much,
Thank you. 
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Vance Sim medal 5000
5 years 148 days ago (Last edited by Vance Sim 5 years 148 days ago)
Would like to first say I think it's a good balance to have QR XP gains for those not in leagues/don't have league races, while disabling it for those who are in a league and have had a league race. That way players have a choice of how they would like to gain XP with one option not necessarily having a significant advantage over the other. 

The only potential complaint is, as you said on another thread, that some leagues don't run daily. So if QR XP could be gained on league "off-days" as you mentioned, that would give an advantage to managers who have time to race those QRs over other managers in their league who are unable to. 

There are two sides I can see to this argument: 
1) Managers in those non-daily leagues may want to keep up with managers in daily leagues and managers who race QRs daily, so QR XP on league off-days is a way for those managers to be able to match the progress of those in daily leagues. 

2) On the other hand, managers able to gain QR XP on league off-days will have an XP gain advantage over their rivals in the same league. Perhaps this could come at a cost to those managers benefiting from QR XP by form of health drain, parts wear, and engine wear. And here I'd once again like to share my suggestion that: Total health drain/parts wear/engine wear of #QRs required for player of level (X) to reach the same XP gains as they would in 1 league race = health drain/parts wear/engine wear of 1 league race, which I'd expanded on in the other thread. 

As for meeting parts requirements in 2-car teams, this I also have no problem doing, especially with the extra parts through mobile ads. But I can see it being an issue for newer teams who don't have a decently leveled manufacturing facility. QR races using more parts will make it harder for all managers to manager their parts, but I definitely don't see many high leveled/experienced managers having much of an issue with it, but those with lower leveled teams with less developed HQs may find it more difficult compared to experienced players with developed HQs. Increasing the parts cost for 1 car teams may balance 1-car and 2-car teams out in terms of parts cost, but there's definitely some managers who like the less cost of resources that 1-car teams give, and they'd argue it makes sense as 1 car should cost less resources than 2 cars. So if the devs do decide to increase the parts cost of 1-car teams, perhaps it shouldn't be equal or more than 2-car teams still.

For the options given on this poll, as a player I like Option C. Having a separate car from league races, having a separate driver from league races too. It sounds fun and does open up options for the future, like Peter Man's suggestion of a rewards scheme and other fun ideas that may be considered in the future.

But from the standpoint of wanting to manage server resources more efficiently, I understand Option B. For those who like the aspect of managing health and car condition, maybe it's not as fun, but you still have the same restraints on when QR XP is gained like the other 2 options. I can agree with players using Tokens to get more track time too; I guess indirectly they are paying for using more server resources.

Looks good so far. 
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Jorge Gonzalez Madrigal medal 5000
5 years 148 days ago
En mi opinión deberían dejar que el administrador del equipo pueda elegir donde correr en salas públicas, eso permitirá hacer ajustes de cara a la próxima carrera
Como administradores del juego podrían considerar esto. 
Saludos desde México. 
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