I think I am done...

I am so furious at iGP at the moment..

Yes I understand that there is re-writing going on and so on.. but basic bugs from day 1 STILL around and causing huge changes in races are beyond a joke now..

My driver comes in .5 ahead of another teams driver and mine stops in the box.. The other team is further down and passes.. No one else other than my other driver are in the pit lane.. My driver exits his box and then.... sits and WAITS for the other driver to leave their box.. He sat there a clear 1/2 a second or more... Both managers saw it and also 2 others who just noticed it..

I am sorry but if that was the norm in leagues like BRL and co.. No wonder they all quit. These are basic things that can be sorted within a week with a group of 10 members testing issues..

Also.. HOW is that written into a system where they sit waiting?? I would of thought it 10 times harder to write in than leave out..

Again.. 3 yrs and this is the 1st time in way over a year that I have this much... I wouldn't say rage.. more disappointment than anything else.. A game I have defended time and time again and actually been laughed at about playing for so long..

I don't know. I really don't know now.

Me laughing on teamspeak probably didn't help it. Í'll try to explain why I laughed:
I've played this game a shit ton, you can probably count the people that did more activeraces then me on one hand. There's 2 issues with iGP that really hinder the game to be very competitive at the top, and be skill based more then just luck based.
1. Qualottery, I've just been back for 2 races since a break that lasted about a year and I saw a team with 40% less design outqualify one of my drivers, while he's fully trained and should be up there with the best. Now this can get really bad if you qualify 18th at monaco in a 50% race with the highest design in the field.
2. Prapes, a.k.a. Pit Rapes a.k.a. loosing out to someone in the pits because of the placements of the pit boxes. Basicly the pit boxes furthest from the pit entry are always best, and people that have a pit box in front of them will often have to wait for them to get out of their pit box. The momen the guy furthest away from the pit stop goes out again the driver behind will wait, and this can cause drivers to loose up to 6 seconds if you're unlucky. There seems to be no such thing as unsafe pit release and drivers will just slam their brakes. Then don't even get me started about the wonderfull monaco pit straight where there is no pit speed limit at all and drivers on the furthest end from pit entry will just fly in at the speed of light and gain 2.3 seconds on the car that is at the beginning. Making the last seasons champion almost out of contention for the win in every competitive league. 

The way the 'good old days' were with leagues like the BRL, everyday iGP and iWS (FFSCA even) with waiting lists to get into the premier leagues of the game, where everyone was competitive and knew the ins and outs of the game, it's all gone now because of mainly the two reasons above. Surely you get a bit bored of it when you play it for a long time but it wouln't go nearly as quick as when it was actually based on skill even on the op level. In stead of that especially in 50% leagues (not everyoen wants to sit down for 2 hours staring at dots go round a screen) you basicly won the race if you had pole position on most of the tracks (Not Europe, as it was 2nd place who always won there because every damn time he overtook 1st place into the 2nd corner). If this wouldn't happen with qualottery and stuff people with the actual highest design and best drivers got the pole, and I'm pretty sure drivers preform better on some tracks then others. Have the suppliers close to eachother in overall speed what's best and not have some be slower and wear tires less because after 2-3 seasons everyone found the best combination again and you're back to old. 

What I'm saying is Don't build on a broken base, get everything rock solid working without any mistakes and then add features. I think it's unacceptable that after 2 years of me playing this game the biggest problems are still here. Everyone that reads this take it like you will, but with the testing me and Jason (Lee) did for the game I know exactly how this works and I know I'm not making things up here when I say these things. 

Also one thing to add here. I can guarantee you that if this is changed:
No more prapes
No more crazy qualifying delta (qualottery)
More balanced supliers (ones that are balanced, but still some are better at some tracks, and others at other tracks) and give the league an option to disallow managers to change it more then once a season, or only in season break)
If only those things are changed, at least 5 people that have accounts in the top 20 will rejoin, repay for 2D and repopulate leagues. When there are good people in a league again more 'old' members will want to rejoin and see how it goes, more people will see that the league they're in is good and growing and will keep interest much longer.
What I think that in stead of advertising the game, there should be a focus on regaining interest for the people that stopped and yes they were a lot.

Again I'm not just making this up we've got a facebook group and every time there's a post on there people ask: Has iGP changed yet? Is it worth playing again?
If you make these improvements and squash the bugs that caused loads of people to stop, like Rob here who's played the game for 3 years lots will be coming back and it will grow much more then it would do with the advertising. People coming in and people stopping the game because once you're on a good level in this game it goes from skill to luck, and car numbers for prapes and THAT is why they're stopping. Quite frankly those people that are at that state of the game I think are the people that pay for 2D and that, along with the ads is where the money's at. 

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing.. but with the money spent on iGP.. It would of been simpler, quicker and probably cheaper to actually bring in 1 Java expert.. get them to sign a contract to make sure that work done belongs to iGP.. Test like mad to get all of the bugs out.. and by now. Had probably over 10 thousand players by now..

10 thousand is not a lot of players in a browser game..

Just a quick math lesson: I assume that there is a maximum of 2000 active players at the moment!
As Jack wrote a few weeks before there are only 10% subscribers.
Means: 200 subscribers * 20 Pounds = 4000 Pounds a year!
Subract server hosting, etc and you will come to -XXXXX Pounds.
So what should that special Java Developer eat?
But maybe you will pay the rent for him?

I'm playing iGPM for 3 years now, and I still do, because I have fun and it's just a game for me.
Don't take a game to serious. Otherwise you will miss real life.

I can not understand todays 'Zeitgeist' always bullshitting things that are not going as expected.
Jack did an incredible job developing that game. I assume others would have throwed down the whole thing - after all that backstrokes.
So maybe some should be more constructive in what they post, and support the whole thing in whatever way the are able to do...

Are you kidding me??? Really??

I've been here 3 yrs and i've made 100's of posts more constructive than ANY one else. Jezzz.You must be here with your eyes closed for 3 yrs then -_-
As for funnn. Yeah.. Come on TS for 5 mins and hear the laughs 4 of us have... Don't post when you know NOTHING of the situation..

Yes of course the only money iGP gets is from subscribers -.-
Even if you were right at what you're saying, you're completely missing the point of this forum post and I wonder if you even read a word of it.

Hey Ladies: so much rage for half a second lost and some bad qualifying positions?
Really? Do you have a real life, or do you get your self-fulfilments just out of your igpm range?
Please calm down!
This is just a game!

Jack often described the situation: so grimping and blustering will not change anything.
Things are ready, when they are ready!
Java for the viewer was a good idea, when starting the game, but is not a good idea for the future!
And: Java has nothing to do with what happened in the pitlane, because that is part of the backend... 
So there is the need to redesign all: That goes fast if you have the personal an financial resources, and it will take longer if not.
So maybe you really should quit, if you do not have the patience to wait for. 
Maybe that will stop all your frustration - if it only comes out of iGPM...

I've just checked in the cupboard and we still have some teacakes left.. but on your way home, could you pick up some chicken fillets and a couple of onions so I can make a curry.. Thanks :)

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If you can skim read my posts.. I can with yours. -_-


Read the posts and just stop posting rubbish please.. You are talking to someone who has defended this game over and over and over.

I have been in so many game / server crashes.. to the point that 3 managers was waiting to come back to a new season.. and in the very last race, it crashed.. re-set, crashed 2 days later, re-set, crashed again.. 3 times we had our "Last race of the season" Not one rage was said that day !!!

The best part about that was that 2 of the managers said "Ohh so nothing has changed, i'll come back another time then." We only got 1 back.. and I STILL defended iGP.

That is one of many, many, many issues that I have sat, defended and not said boo to a goose afterwards.. I have 1 vaild rage and 2 muppets post like that.. crettins.

Search through my posts and see how much help I have been to the communuity... and also find my post to tell others who had issue to go and find a door.. Great community.. You play CoD / BF4 by any chance??


Also.. You say this knowing nothing of the 2 pages of a word doc that I have sat here for an idea for a new league to follow the F1 season on Qually days... here I was going to put £40 to have enough RP to change drivers names / nationality for everyone who wanted to join.. and also give iGP £40.. lolol

Why should I bother with members like you?

well he's promising the updates since I've been on here and in 2 years they added 2 tire compounds and lost 2 (the wets) and made the server more stable. Yes some small adjustments have been made like server stability and then that's it. What I'm posting is not frustration at all I'm just saying that building on a broken base doesn't work. The person that programmed the game or something left after the start and they've spent loads of time just trying to understand the game before being able to change it slightly (like supliers they did, and back in the day they tried to do something about drivers not being able to overtake even if he's much faster, and after I left they broke the wet weather and I'm guessing it's related to not knowing how the game it set up). 
I think that's where "Albert" is going at, get a java expert who understands it and then fix the bugs and build on that.

lolol.. Good point, the SS tyres was down to my "Constructive post" ... Yes.. ME.. So thank you.

and spot on with the Java expert.. Like I put that others skimmed.. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.... and paying for someone to come in for 2 days and sorting out the system would of been faster than the past 2 years trying to mess with it...

Them 2 day could of sorted out 101 basic things and guess what.. It would of bought back 1000's of iGP gamers who would of subscribed and thus paying for the Java expert in the 1st place..

Thank you Yuri.. I am please someone actually reads posts. :)

http://igpmanager.com/play/?url=forum-thread/4022

Post No 7... I thank you.

I have to back up everything that Uncle Albert and Yuri say about this game. It is just a game and we who have been here 3yrs or more pay subscriptions to play.
The points they make are very valid ,the basics of the game need fixing first before we get into any upgates that will cause more problems.

Uncle Albert:  'I think I am done...'

Please!

Could you please show the community your "constructive posts" about the game... Any and all PM's sent to new managers who wish to know a little more about the game... No matter who's league they are in...



1 of 2 posts sent with the invite of any other help I can give...


So when I say I am done.. I think I have done more than most to help out around here with money and direct help to any one who needs it..

That PM is one of a shead load I have.. So yeah,... Please !

Hey Old Jack stop being unhelpful and try and understand whats going on will you.Instead of just being your own "old ladie" who never says anything constructive.

I am brand new to this website and may not have my opinion valued in this discussion because of that but I'd like to offer my input from the perspective of a newcomer.

Firstly, Yuri & Jools make a great point that needs to be observed with anything you're attempting to repair or add to. For me it would compare to my knowledge of motor repair, if you are planning to change a part you have to take the necessary items off to add said part on. You can't just cram a part in and then have new problems arise becuse of a fix or addition (or for that matter ignore an already existent problem). It should be agreed that a sturdy base would help with the creation of add ons with continued quality of other functions.

Thankfully I haven't had the experience of a crashed game, but I would find it frustrating (especially for a 100% race).

Second, criticism shouldn't be shunned if it comes about for a productive reason. If suggestions or a discussion can be made of it instead of the You're just crying, not a real supporter, etc. arguments then it can produce positive results. I have to agree with Albert that if my first race was a crash (or multiple) it can be a massive turn off to both newcomers who planned to start a subscription or veterans who planned to renew. Your product has to be functional for people to back it financially via subscription. I don't know about coding or any of that but I'll take Albert's word that if an expert can fix the foundation in only 2 days combined with a group of devoted testers it would be a worthy investment rather than adding things to a poor foundation.

+1

I really understand whats going on, and I also see the lag in developement. But as a coder I know, that in most cases things are not that easy, as they seem from outside.
That thread has nothing to do with a constructive (that came from aCb Chapman, not from me) bug report.
There is nothing new in that thread I have not read the last 3 and more years.
Only Jack and the other iGPM coders know, where the backend problems are. If problems are getting to many, it is easy to lose the overview, and make the things more worst than before. So if the coder team has a realistic roadmap - based on the manpower they have - we should respect that. 
I'm sure Jack reads every thread, that suggests new features (http://igpmanager.com/play/?url=forum-index/6) and reports bugs (http://igpmanager.com/play/?url=forum-index/10). And I'm also sure, if he finds that useful it will be implemented - in time.

But: What I notice in that threat is just screaming babys, yelling that their toy is broken. 'If I will scream loud enough, maybe mom will buy me a new toy'
And that is nothing I can accept. But your posts show me that you are only able to see your own point of view, without self-reflecting.
So you now may go on with self-praising and yelling - no matter: I'll stop reading here and still have fun playing iGPM, waiting for future features.

Cheers!

Jack, an honest question. If one is to voice his concerns other than by posting how can they do so? The forums are supposed to be the primary place of general discussion in most circumstances. I find it somewhat hypocritical (from this forum post alone) that you ignore their points and label them "screaming babies" and say that they are blind to differing opinions when you don't take their opinions seriously.

But to address the entire message, if the roadmap is not a one that is successful shouldn't there be a point made of it? Adding more features only will make the shiny but inoperable system (that has been voiced by said people above) appearance only more noticeable. You want to make sure your core is solid before adding extremities wouldn't you think? It's not a coding knowledge it's general knowledge that a foundation is critical to growth and when focusing on adding whole new concepts rather than solidifying your current features (weather, fix crashing issues, etc.).

We should respect that the resources are limited, but that only makes it more critical that said resources be used in the proper manner.