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To add to Jacks point above, could you please send me some race ids where you believe Qualifying is broken and you believe the result should of been different.

Please also explain to me how it is broken, this will aid with looking into what is potentially causing any issues.

Like Jack said above, it might just be the randomised driver mistakes that happen from time to time. That is something I can look into and confirm before we make any changes that may potentially not affect it.

https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=27292863&tab=qualifying

8th C. Roberts and 26th C Baldy had exactly the same Car. Gap: 0.634s  and 18 positions on the grid. Too much i think. The random effect, at the moment, has a too big impact. 

Hello Darren, the current qualifications are not broken, but unfortunately they are all too casual.
I try to explain this qualification system:
1- ignore what should be the fundamental statistic, "experience", often young drivers with a value of 3 stand in front of those with a value of 20.
2- ignore the mental statistics of the driver, which should give him a wrong car setup with consequent slowdown.
3- ignore the weight of the driver, what sense does it have to have a trainable statistic if this does not influence at all.
4- the development of the car has no particular influence, it happens that people with lower car development qualify first, with the new update it is particularly noticeable that lower cars make a qualification equal to those with greater development.


These factors make the qualification quite particular, you see situations with pilots of the same team starting from 1-20 for example ...
In the race these situations are most felt, if "unfortunately" I start from the bottom with the best car I will be slowed down by those who should not be in front of me as they are slower.
So one could try to give more importance to the general statistics of cars and drivers.

There are other ideas for the qualification system, such as favoring those who put less fuel, or giving players the opportunity to make their qualification, but these are more complex scenarios and which I honestly do not feel like suggesting.

https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=27707793&tab=qualifying



there are many such examples go to any active League and you will see everything for yourself)))

@Joao 
Thanks for the race id unfortunately, I forgot to mention that I can only investigate a race that has run in the last 5 days, but thanks for the detail.

@Drunken Master
Thank you for the race ID I can get the details of it, but saying there are many examples and go to any active league to see everything for yourself. That really doesn't help me see what you are seeing, I need you to fully describe how the qualifying isn't right.

Everyone sees things differently through different eyes and perspective. It helps us more to get a really dense description of everything you are experiencing and seeing so we are all on the same page.

@Gustavo
There is a difference between your two drivers
B Brown
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=driver&id=6585522&tab=attributes

And L Hunt
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=driver&id=8329980&tab=attributes

The Composure, Experience, Focus, Morale, Knowledge, Stamina are all considered when it comes to qualifying and racing

I feel the best solution here regarding Qualifying (if it is possible, coding and server resources wise) would be for a short, live Qualifying session, just before the race.

Example (using a 13:00 UTC race start)
12:42 UTC: Live Qualifying Viewer is open, to start allowing managers into Qualifying
12:45 UTC: Live Qualifying begins, for an 8 minute session
12:53 UTC: Chequered Flag for the Live Qualifying session, but those drivers who have started a lap, may finish the lap (will lead to some very late calls :) )
12:55 UTC: Live Qualifying officially finishes
12:55 UTC to 12:57 UTC: 2 minute window to allow the server time to formalise the Qualifying results, and finalise the official race start grid
12:57 UTC: Live Race Viewer is open
13:00 UTC: Live Race begins

• Live Qualifying Rules


• Each Driver is allowed a maximum of 2 sets of tyres (free choice from the tyre range)


• Drivers start the race from the same tyre that they set their fastest qualifying lap with


• Car Set Up changes allowed up to 12:52.59 UTC


• Track evolution on (slightly faster track at the end of Qualifying)


• Out Laps and In Laps in play (ie. uses up Qualifying time)


• Variable Push for Drivers allowed (exactly the same as the live race viewer push level range: PL1, PL2, PL3, PL4 and PL5)


• Qualifying fuel loads can be adjusted manually (increase and decrease) in the Live Qualifying session, with race starting fuel loads separate, and determined from the Set Up option


• Auto DRS (mirroring the unlimited use of DRS in F1 for Qualifying)


• Other Manager cars shown, but without the ability to effect or block other cars (prevents the inevitable tactics some managers will use to ruin other managers laps)


• Drivers who do not set a time during the live Qualifying session, are set a time using the RNG based, between 12:55.01 UTC and 12:56.59 UTC (as it is currently)

This solution would give ultimate control to each manager regarding qualifying, addressing all the issues that an RNG based Qualifying brings.

It would be complex to do, but anything is possible, when you put your mind to it ^_^

Side note: As a con, for x1.0 speed leagues, in a full wet Qualifyings in longer tracks such as Belgium, only 1 tyre can be used in an 8 minute session, although a 'back to back' run of 2 fast laps can be done. All other combinations with car speed, and conditions allow 2 separate runs.

I have chosen an 8 minute session, as not to extend the game session too much. I think most managers can do an extra 7-8 minutes, car set up also can be done in the Qualifying (up to 12:52.59 UTC) for those managers would like to be very last minute!

Your thoughts, suggestions and improvements welcome on this proposal! :-)

You're right that the cars are very different but...

Seeing the car colors, the Sosa's car is really worse than the Garcia's one... So, we see a worse car that is 6 tenths quicker than the other.
Correct me if I'm wrong.. 

https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=27590839&tab=qualifying

4   - Bianchi, 4 experience
19 - Innero, 20 experience

difference: 0.277s

This idea is nice, but requires many weeks (probably months) to get to it. A short-timed solution would be needed too.


I'm not particulary against the qualy system we have now, but I'm always open to new ideas :)

if you look at the qualifications, then those who have less mental abilities, they are faster-it turns out the dumber, the faster))