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Should fuel effect qualifying

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Yes
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3 years 52 days ago (Last edited by Frank Thomas 3 years 52 days ago)
To then go straight into the wall as the track decided it's a nice spot for a decent corner but the same formula also applied to Braking where some of that added Acceleration came from, so to not do that or loose time braking way earlier you actually need to add some more points to Braking as well instead taking away, just to loose your car in the corner as mass applies there as well, so you also need more Downforce, not less... In the end you would have to add everywhere and can't remove points anywhere so everyone is just stuck the same with or without more fuel, just with slower lap times due to weight.

Slo
I have to disagree, with quali as it is now, a heavy strategy has a chance if you have a good quali and you can hold onto the drs train in front.

If quali would be always bad for heavy strats, no one would keep running those, guiding players towards one single winning strat (supersofts) even more so then today.

I love the fact a heavier strat works from time to time which is why i voted no.

Git i’m not gonna discuss this, you can reply and waste syllables as much as you like, this is my opinion and i stand by it.

As said, of course you need to catch the train, but not being too much to the front is better for a heavy car as on the front the risk is high, with potentially dirty air effect, to end up having a gap after the first 2.x laps to first DRS, either having to waste lots of boost to still gain it or risk being the reason of the train splitting and the locomotive speeding away. Of course the further back the higher the risk being in the wrong train if someone else causes a split. 

SuperSofts outqualify Softs already anyway, the added fuel in a Soft car doesn't change anything there. Also all those Supers find they may end up in the back if not going a bit lighter, means shortening a stint on a tyre often running a bit painfully short on life to be optimal for a given strategy in the first place. So I'd understand if the worries are more about people would just tend even more to just use Softs. But then using Supers opens chances again, especially as to Qualify to the front of the Softs pack people would've to run lighter than they used to and thus less range drawback by using Supers. Then there's going Medium, as weight kills Quali anyway and thus those extending their Soft stint won't fare much better on the grid, while those light Soft cars, as the Supers, often compromise and have to repay the lap debt later. 
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medal 5000
3 years 52 days ago
How about have it as a league host option? I think just adding more options would solve all of these forum discussions.
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medal 5010
3 years 52 days ago

Stuffy 
How about have it as a league host option? I think just adding more options would solve all of these forum discussions.



IMO if they add it, they tie it in with refueling as a host option: E.G as it is now, or No refueling, qualify on starting loads
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medal 5069
3 years 52 days ago

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Slo

Frank
Heavy strategies have a decent chance to get away with a bad grid position, but a light one dies instantly as soon as it ends up behind a heavier car. So the chance this adding more viable strategy options seems to me to be much more likely than the risk of further limiting them. I support the suggestion, as I did so in the past.


I have to disagree, with quali as it is now, a heavy strategy has a chance if you have a good quali and you can hold onto the drs train in front.


If quali would be always bad for heavy strats, no one would keep running those, guiding players towards one single winning strat (supersofts) even more so then today.

I love the fact a heavier strat works from time to time which is why i voted no.

Git i’m not gonna discuss this, you can reply and waste syllables as much as you like, this is my opinion and i stand by it.


You want your opinion but not a debate, that’s fine. Though I’ll still reply as discussing it is the idea of these forums.


A heavy strat can get away with qualifying further down as long as they keep the drs train, they don’t need to be at the front of it, so what Frank is saying is true. 

I don’t think having fuel effect qualifying will negate that, it just also gives a chance for the lighter cars to not have their strategies ruined straight away. The heavy cars can still keep on the drs train and make their strategy work. 

I also think that people won’t be guided to SS. That would be more likely now as it is purely tyre choice which decides your qualifying. With fuel effecting it you could light fuel S and hope to keep the SS train as you’d qualify high up.


If they're not at/near the front of the train, it becomes much easier for the heavier cars to lose drs. The devs have mentioned before that qualifying used to use this format.  Turns out, it made managers mostly chose the same strategy.  Granted, refueling now effects pitstop times, but that only puts cars pitting fewer times at a larger deficit.

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medal 5249
3 years 52 days ago

Stuffy 
How about have it as a league host option? I think just adding more options would solve all of these forum discussions.


I’d like that but don’t think it will happen. They don’t like to leave things like that up to the league host. I only know because they said as much when it was asked in the AI kers suggestion 


Joshua, I get that it makes it more difficult, but it doesn’t make it impossible, especially if you’re only just 1/2 lap heavier. However if you’re fuelled lighter, and say on a 3 stop instead of a 2 stop, it makes it impossible to win if you qualify behind all the 2 stoppers. I honestly think that at the moment, there is not enough variety in strategies and this plays a part in it. The same 2 stop S-S-M or S-M-M, versus the same SS-S-S-S.

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medal 5000
3 years 49 days ago
Sorry to interfere by this complicated loaf of opinions. Instead i would like to add mine and not debating within contraries...

I like to say that the qualifying rules should be like this. Drivers do not use the compound they use for the race. Drivers are mandated to lap the circuit within the fastest tyre as cars aren't referred to the 1st stint of their strategy. This is a measurement to see the drivers attack the track at maximum phase. In addition, this also applies for cars running referred conditions during the rain. Therefore there is no obvious guessing about lap differentials affected by mile within the tires or fuel load as managers need to set things up for the race session.
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medal 5000
3 years 47 days ago

Aulia
Sorry to interfere by this complicated loaf of opinions. Instead i would like to add mine and not debating within contraries...

I like to say that the qualifying rules should be like this. Drivers do not use the compound they use for the race. Drivers are mandated to lap the circuit within the fastest tyre as cars aren't referred to the 1st stint of their strategy. This is a measurement to see the drivers attack the track at maximum phase. In addition, this also applies for cars running referred conditions during the rain. Therefore there is no obvious guessing about lap differentials affected by mile within the tires or fuel load as managers need to set things up for the race session.

Unless there is a qualifying-only tyre for all cars to use, preferably with the stats of the 2018 Hypersoft tyre, I don't see this happening. 


Also, give the developers some time to work the big update out and make the game better. I'm sure they will read this though and try to find a balance. 
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medal 5000
3 years 40 days ago
I appreciate your respond Censy
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