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medal 5000
10 years 294 days ago
"Yuri
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Link doesn't work for me.
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medal 5000
10 years 294 days ago
"Gary
Ive kept the same suplliers (Murk-Beep-BridgeRock), i have not changed them in this team so i cant comment on other stuff but i can point out the things that have changed and the things that haven't:

Fuel econemy has gone up for sure, which means that part is working as the econemy attributes of those engines/fuel have gone down alot so need more fuel.
cant comment on power and things like that.

Tyres.
Bridgerock resilience attribute has gone down massively cant remember what it was maybe 8? but its now 2, but my tyre where is exactly the same as previous season's, which clearly isn't working.

Every single team ive seen change there suppliers to different from the normal has been dog slow.

but like i said i haven't changed suppliers at all and cant draw any other conclusions.


Yes, and bridgerock and donelots both have the same wear at Monaco per lap even though they should be different.
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medal 5000
10 years 294 days ago
"Axel

"Gary
Ive kept the same suplliers (Murk-Beep-BridgeRock), i have not changed them in this team so i cant comment on other stuff but i can point out the things that have changed and the things that haven't:

Fuel econemy has gone up for sure, which means that part is working as the econemy attributes of those engines/fuel have gone down alot so need more fuel.
cant comment on power and things like that.

Tyres.
Bridgerock resilience attribute has gone down massively cant remember what it was maybe 8? but its now 2, but my tyre where is exactly the same as previous season's, which clearly isn't working.

Every single team ive seen change there suppliers to different from the normal has been dog slow.

but like i said i haven't changed suppliers at all and cant draw any other conclusions.


Yes, and bridgerock and donelots both have the same wear at Monaco per lap even though they should be different.





http://igpmanager.com/play/?url=race-result/344382

That is the link
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medal 5000
10 years 294 days ago
Does this include the new f1 noses? 
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medal 5011
10 years 294 days ago
what were you boys in British racing league who changed parts back to Murk-beep-bridge like 2day, still slow? or back to normal? quali looked reasonable but i dunno what the weather is like.
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medal 5000
10 years 294 days ago
"Gary
what were you boys in British racing league who changed parts back to Murk-beep-bridge like 2day, still slow? or back to normal? quali looked reasonable but i dunno what the weather is like.


I qualified 13th and 21st, and my 21st was slower than some guys on hards lol. Both my drivers were on softs.

My race pace was good though, back to normal with normal lap times.

tl;dr - Nothing has changed in the end. The update was pointless and other suppliers are still massively slow. The worst and best tyre for resilience both wear exactly the same, so just go with whatever one has the most "grip" (bridgerock)
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medal 5000
10 years 294 days ago
In my race today (Turkey) the fuel consumption was 0.2L higher per lap. I didn´t changed suppliers (Murk, Beep, Bridgerock).
Consequence: 1 of my drivers retired at lap 10 without fuel. My bad!
Lesson: Will rise fuel at least 0.2L per lap in every stint in next races...
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medal 5000
10 years 293 days ago
"Eton

"Gary
what were you boys in British racing league who changed parts back to Murk-beep-bridge like 2day, still slow? or back to normal? quali looked reasonable but i dunno what the weather is like.


I qualified 13th and 21st, and my 21st was slower than some guys on hards lol. Both my drivers were on softs.

My race pace was good though, back to normal with normal lap times.

tl;dr - Nothing has changed in the end. The update was pointless and other suppliers are still massively slow. The worst and best tyre for resilience both wear exactly the same, so just go with whatever one has the most "grip" (bridgerock)

iWS very diffrent, I changed back supplies and was 1.3 seconds off with 1 driver, other 0.9 with the same car %
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medal 5011
10 years 293 days ago
"Yuri

"Eton

"Gary
what were you boys in British racing league who changed parts back to Murk-beep-bridge like 2day, still slow? or back to normal? quali looked reasonable but i dunno what the weather is like.


I qualified 13th and 21st, and my 21st was slower than some guys on hards lol. Both my drivers were on softs.

My race pace was good though, back to normal with normal lap times.

tl;dr - Nothing has changed in the end. The update was pointless and other suppliers are still massively slow. The worst and best tyre for resilience both wear exactly the same, so just go with whatever one has the most "grip" (bridgerock)

iWS very diffrent, I changed back supplies and was 1.3 seconds off with 1 driver, other 0.9 with the same car %



Are you sure it wasnt wet at somepoint in your race or before your race Yuri?
Because pole position was over 5 seconds slower than quali record, but everyone was on softs, that usually means there was a brief bit of rain about or people setup in wet or vice versa or something, people stetting up at different times may of had completly different setups due the wetness about which skewed the results a bit.
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medal 5000
10 years 293 days ago
"Yuri

"Eton

"Gary
what were you boys in British racing league who changed parts back to Murk-beep-bridge like 2day, still slow? or back to normal? quali looked reasonable but i dunno what the weather is like.


I qualified 13th and 21st, and my 21st was slower than some guys on hards lol. Both my drivers were on softs.

My race pace was good though, back to normal with normal lap times.

tl;dr - Nothing has changed in the end. The update was pointless and other suppliers are still massively slow. The worst and best tyre for resilience both wear exactly the same, so just go with whatever one has the most "grip" (bridgerock)

iWS very diffrent, I changed back supplies and was 1.3 seconds off with 1 driver, other 0.9 with the same car %

Also worth noting drivers were qualifying top 6 and winning or getting podiums
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medal 5000
10 years 293 days ago
"Dave

"Yuri

"Eton

"Gary
what were you boys in British racing league who changed parts back to Murk-beep-bridge like 2day, still slow? or back to normal? quali looked reasonable but i dunno what the weather is like.


I qualified 13th and 21st, and my 21st was slower than some guys on hards lol. Both my drivers were on softs.

My race pace was good though, back to normal with normal lap times.

tl;dr - Nothing has changed in the end. The update was pointless and other suppliers are still massively slow. The worst and best tyre for resilience both wear exactly the same, so just go with whatever one has the most "grip" (bridgerock)

iWS very diffrent, I changed back supplies and was 1.3 seconds off with 1 driver, other 0.9 with the same car %

Also worth noting drivers were qualifying top 6 and winning or getting podiums

Oh yes Gary, it rained but does that explain why Jake was way faster in race?
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medal 5011
10 years 293 days ago
"Yuri

"Dave

"Yuri

"Eton

"Gary
what were you boys in British racing league who changed parts back to Murk-beep-bridge like 2day, still slow? or back to normal? quali looked reasonable but i dunno what the weather is like.


I qualified 13th and 21st, and my 21st was slower than some guys on hards lol. Both my drivers were on softs.

My race pace was good though, back to normal with normal lap times.

tl;dr - Nothing has changed in the end. The update was pointless and other suppliers are still massively slow. The worst and best tyre for resilience both wear exactly the same, so just go with whatever one has the most "grip" (bridgerock)

iWS very diffrent, I changed back supplies and was 1.3 seconds off with 1 driver, other 0.9 with the same car %

Also worth noting drivers were qualifying top 6 and winning or getting podiums

Oh yes Gary, it rained but does that explain why Jake was way faster in race?



did u both do test runs & setup at same time out of interest?
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medal 5000
10 years 293 days ago
My test league just threw out some spastic results as I suspected. 6 teams (2 car league), 12 identical drivers (who usually qualify within 2-3 tenths of each other), all teams over 90% in design. A pretty fair test.

Pole and 4th position went to Murk, bridgerock and beep. No surprises there.

3rd and 4th went to Murk, bridgerock and elves. This combo appears to be safe.

However lets look at the last row of the grid. 11th and 12th position. Murk, goodweek and elves. So we have the same engine, a tyre that has the same grip as bridgerock, and a fuel that has more power than beep - A combination you would logically think should be great for qualifying atleast, yet both drivers were a whole 1.4 seconds slower than pole position.

My conclusion is that the numbers are either purely cosmetic and actually don't mean anything, or they are wrongly configured and aren't responding the way they were intended to. When choosing suppliers for a race, you can't look at the figures and make a logical decision. You might aswell guess and hope that some weird combination that makes no sense on paper works on the track, or just stick to what we already know (this is safe atleast).
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medal 5000
10 years 293 days ago
"Eton
My test league just threw out some spastic results as I suspected. 6 teams (2 car league), 12 identical drivers (who usually qualify within 2-3 tenths of each other), all teams over 90% in design. A pretty fair test.

Pole and 4th position went to Murk, bridgerock and beep. No surprises there.

3rd and 4th went to Murk, bridgerock and elves. This combo appears to be safe.

However lets look at the last row of the grid. 11th and 12th position. Murk, goodweek and elves. So we have the same engine, a tyre that has the same grip as bridgerock, and a fuel that has more power than beep - A combination you would logically think should be great for qualifying atleast, yet both drivers were a whole 1.4 seconds slower than pole position.

My conclusion is that the numbers are either purely cosmetic and actually don't mean anything, or they are wrongly configured and aren't responding the way they were intended to. When choosing suppliers for a race, you can't look at the figures and make a logical decision. You might aswell guess and hope that some weird combination that makes no sense on paper works on the track, or just stick to what we already know (this is safe atleast).

What was race pace like fior those guys? Were they still miles off pace?
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medal 5000
10 years 293 days ago
"Gary

"Yuri

"Dave

"Yuri

"Eton

"Gary
what were you boys in British racing league who changed parts back to Murk-beep-bridge like 2day, still slow? or back to normal? quali looked reasonable but i dunno what the weather is like.


I qualified 13th and 21st, and my 21st was slower than some guys on hards lol. Both my drivers were on softs.

My race pace was good though, back to normal with normal lap times.

tl;dr - Nothing has changed in the end. The update was pointless and other suppliers are still massively slow. The worst and best tyre for resilience both wear exactly the same, so just go with whatever one has the most "grip" (bridgerock)

iWS very diffrent, I changed back supplies and was 1.3 seconds off with 1 driver, other 0.9 with the same car %

Also worth noting drivers were qualifying top 6 and winning or getting podiums

Oh yes Gary, it rained but does that explain why Jake was way faster in race?



did u both do test runs & setup at same time out of interest?

yes, both ran last seasons dry setup. 
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medal 5011
10 years 293 days ago
maybe if u had a wet setup on the car and then loaded last season's setup with not long to go, maybe it failed to save and u ended up with a wet setup in the dry, i've had setup changes not save before, u should put other team back in & try again incase it was just one-off save bug?
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medal 5000
10 years 293 days ago
"Gary
maybe if u had a wet setup on the car and then loaded last season's setup with not long to go, maybe it failed to save and u ended up with a wet setup in the dry, i've had setup changes not save before, u should put other team back in & try again incase it was just one-off save bug?

Jake on pole again today
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medal 5000
10 years 293 days ago
"Dave

"Eton
My test league just threw out some spastic results as I suspected. 6 teams (2 car league), 12 identical drivers (who usually qualify within 2-3 tenths of each other), all teams over 90% in design. A pretty fair test.



Pole and 4th position went to Murk, bridgerock and beep. No surprises there.



3rd and 4th went to Murk, bridgerock and elves. This combo appears to be safe.



However lets look at the last row of the grid. 11th and 12th position. Murk, goodweek and elves. So we have the same engine, a tyre that has the same grip as bridgerock, and a fuel that has more power than beep - A combination you would logically think should be great for qualifying atleast, yet both drivers were a whole 1.4 seconds slower than pole position.



My conclusion is that the numbers are either purely cosmetic and actually don't mean anything, or they are wrongly configured and aren't responding the way they were intended to. When choosing suppliers for a race, you can't look at the figures and make a logical decision. You might aswell guess and hope that some weird combination that makes no sense on paper works on the track, or just stick to what we already know (this is safe atleast).


What was race pace like fior those guys? Were they still miles off pace?

Yes. In a 25% race they were 21 seconds down.
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medal 5093
10 years 293 days ago
My impression was that fuel consumtion was higher, but not much else was different. 

Had Murk, Beep, B-rock before the changes and only changed to Elves fuel for the race we just did. Almost all kept all their suppliers in out league and well, the race looked and felt just like before, except fuel consumtion. 
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medal 5000
10 years 293 days ago
 I was alittle concerned going into the race as i had to change suppliers.... and reading comments on here sometimes can change your state of mind and raise concern alittle....

But All i could really notice so far in the first race under the new supplies was fuel consumptions. i couldnt really test tyres / tyre wear as it was @ monaco 10 Deg Raining... and they wont ever really heat up even with 5/5 push... But yes i found i ran more fuel (which i compensated for) and more engine wear than normal but that could be casue it was the first wet race i have ever done in my 5 seasons at Monaco... plus driving the tits off the car the whole race...

Still alot of variables to consider and more importantly test out so dont jump the gun too early ppl. Some examples....Different tracks with different wear rates and then throw in the (weather temp effects) who knows it could be totally different when at a track with a med to high temp really high tyre wear and how old your engine is ?? jsut some thoughts not taking any sides on the matter until i can go thru my own testing phase first... at least one season to compare againts historical data.  
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