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Let me give you my insight in this:


1) imo the ai kers is part of the racing challenge, its there so use it to your advantage
2) its there for all of us so no one has an advantage because of it
3) turning it off would create a massive competitive disadvantage for those who are unable to be online, no matter what the cause of not beeing able to get online. One power or network outage and your season might be down the drain.
4) programmg this option would take up dev time (read: cost a lot of money), while i believe this could be better spent on other things. I like a well developed game over a dumb game with 20+ host options.
5) as a host, i myself wouldn’t turn ai kers off so the programming time (read: money) at least for our league would be lost altogether
6) it would create a difference between leagues and so players and so has impact  on hall of fame
7)  the league i’m in is competitive, i do dominate the leaderboard but i can assure you i don’t finish miles ahead in every race. I have to work my *ss off for those points
8) the league i host is filled with active players, ai kers is not an issue, never has been.
9) i wouldn’t trade the gentlemen i race with everyday for any other league. They are fast, if i’m not able to attend i don’t get points. And its a bunch of calm, friendly, helpfull and sporting managers.
10) this is the last bit i put up here: please stop moaning, you keep going in circles and you cant accept people have different opinions then yours. I really believe you should accept and embrace the reactions you got here. If not: time to see the shrink.
Slo Bro out

There’s a lot there to go through but I’ll pick out a few points you make -

Point 10 - Embrace the opinions of others. I could throw that straight back at you. It’s called a debate, I disagree with your opinion and you disagree with mine. You don’t want to debate, feel free not to, I’m not forcing you to.
Point 3 I don’t get, the AI kers is just as likely to hinder the non-attending racer as it is to help them. They could kers past a potential drs which would lose them time. Like I said, inactive racers don’t do well (thought we agreed on thst) so it won’t have an effect on their finishing result.
Point 4 - if you log on and then off again, your AI won’t use any kers, so the programming is already there, would just need tweaking, not that much work (I’m not expert but that’s my thoughts on it)
Point 6 - there’s already loads of differences between leagues (amount of days they race, how competitive etc)
Point 1 and 2 - I’m not claiming to be hindered by it more than others, I just prefer it to be down to the actual racing than this having an effect
Point 7-9 - I wasn’t criticising your league. I saw you were hundreds of points clear, so a few points here and there won’t effect your season that much. I stand by that point.

It’s easy to say I’m moaning - I have that as my name. But I’m just making a valid point that I know a lot of people do agree with. This isn’t because it’s ruining my races all the time, it’s just something that shouldn’t have an effect on results yet it can do in a tight league. 

Let me put it in simple terms “Nobody wants it so leave it alone” It’s fine to disagree and debate but eventually you have to give in and realise that there isn’t enough people agreeing to continue the argument/debate. 

END OF.

Thanks for that.......

Let me analyse that for you - 

Nobody wants it so leave it alone. Several people have commented saying they agree, several people have commented saying they don’t agree.  Factually wrong

The whole point of a debate is that you discussing a different point of view to someone else - if everyone agreed there would be no debate.

This is your first comment on here, and if that’s all you can bring to disagreeing with it, I wouldn’t bother.

Putting END OF at the end like you have some kind of authority is laughable. Am I suddenly meant to be forced into silence, scared of disagreeing with these capital letters?

Give me one person who agrees and i’ll give you 2 who don’t.


The only reason there is still a debate is because you can’t accept that people don’t want this.

This may be my first comment but it doesn’t mean I haven’t been watching the thread, everything I want to say has been said for me.

The capital ‘END OF’ at the end is there to catch your eye so that even you can realise when something needs to ‘END’

After I seen more moaning from the iGP Champion crybabies, I think I have seen everything. We must feel lucky that only two of them are actually here. Some in the league even disagree! How appalling.

So as a moderator your role is to dig into 16 days worth of comments to post something like that? Posting people photos on here that this debate has nothing to do with. Pretty certain that is bang out of order. I will moan about certain things that happen in the race, and I’ve raced in that league for years. I get on with those people, and you posting that here is nothing to do with this. That’s to do with tactics. Big LOL’s to you, but I think it’s a pretty inappropriate thing to do - noticed you didn’t do it from your moderator account.


What I’m on about here is completely different as it’s not a personal thing (that you all seem to think it is), it’s about improving racing to make it more about the actual skill/tactics of the managers, rather than factors that shouldn’t be there. 

Everyone on here that has disagreed with it, I have gone back to with my answers to why I don’t agree with their reasoning. There’s nothing wrong with that, and that’s the whole point of a debate. Not once has anyone disproved any of my points.

You keep going back to me moaning, yet this isn’t a moan, it’s a suggestion to make it better. I’ve said numerous times it’s not about it happening to me all the time, it’s about making the racing better and fairer.

Behave Censy, this is about my thoughts, not about my league, you stick to trying to get your engine parts limited as you haven’t any tokens left

Regardless of the validity of your points, the general consensus of the team discussing parts to be added is based on a majority stake of votes, and whether the necessary changes needed to implement the suggestion is worth it or viable, not based on a singular person or small group of people's opinion.

Hey, iGP is trying to get everyone as happy as possible and just focusing on one or ten people breaks that purpose, right?

Thanks for removing the image, there was no need for that to be put up. 

You say I don’t accept them not agreeing with me is because from what they reply, they aren’t understanding what the actual complaint is. You yourself put learn to use them to your advantage. There is literally no way possible of using them to your advantage if they kers past you on lap 3 and slow you down - causing you either to kers to go past them (which puts you at a disadvantage to others who have not needed to) or you wait and use DRS which then means you have lost ground on people ahead of you so have to kers to catch up (which puts you at a disadvantage). If someone can please explain to me how someone can use it to their advantage, let me know!

Go back through my posts and not once have I not replied to what people have put and the points they have raised. I may have got frustrated or reacted to comments put to me and been a bit dismissive, but pretty much every one of my comments has been about the problem that was raised. 

The amount of times I’ve put about it not being a personal issue yet that’s what you have decided it is, and try and link it to a moan I had about someone else kersing away from me as they were about to get lapped. Separate issue and not what this post is about at all.

Because unless you can correct me, there are no possible tactics/skill you can use to stop the bots kersing at the start of lap 3? I’m not saying it just happens to me, I’m saying that I feel it the race results should come down to who was best on the night. I’m not saying get rid of them out of the race - I think there is a skill to catching backmarkers at the right time. 


According to others, everyone will hate the idea and therefore no leagues would take it up....... However, the simple to reply to that would be leave and go to a league that does use it. 

A clever setup would be enough to remain remotely competitive

It’s not about remaining remotely competitive. I’m happy that I’m in a very competitive league with some great racers, and I’m fortunate enough to challenge them for the title each year. 
A few percent usage of kers immediately puts you at a disadvantage, and the bot kers is just a bit ridiculous that it interferes with good racing. 

How about people who have a life and can't race? Again, the devs want to keep as many people happy as possible and making a feature everyone other than a few people hate is a bad idea. Look at the safety cars. They should have learned from that mistake by now, and pushing this will make the safety car disaster happen again.

Yeah I get that, that’s why the suggestion was to have it as an option for the league host. Therefore if you are in a league with people with a life and are inactive a lot of the time, then you could keep it as it is. If like me you have no life ? and are in a league that is very active then you’d turn it off. Everyone in my league knows that as soon as your inactive you aren’t going to do well and finish anywhere near the points so it’s irrelevant whether your AI uses kers or not

I suggest suggesting this again in the league then

If you are building up your EXP to reach level 20, I get people not racing, but what's the point of joining a league if you don't actively race?  


Kick them all if they miss 1 race :D

I personally would prefer the option to turn off Auto Kers. As a league host i see a lot of complaints regards to AI Kers. i would personally support the option to disable this 

Thats not really surprising since Moaning Old Git and Alan Morris are in the same Division as you.  ?

If its that much of a problem in your league just make a rule that you have to be online for all races then kick the inactives and non-attenders on a regular basis. Both simple solutions within your power as a League Host.