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#BringBackTheOldDirtyAir

Would you rather have the old dirty air OR no dirty air?

48.55% (151)
Yes, bring back the old dirty air
16.72% (52)
No, don’t want dirty air
34.73% (108)
I’ll wait for the new dirty air being coded (release TBD)
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medal 5000
2 years 289 days ago
Had the United States, 60 laps, 100%. Essentially, new changes made the 4 stop the only strategy. Had gone for a 3 stop, which on paper should have been similar to the 3 stop. Ran a SS(11)>S(14)>M(17)>M(18), and SS(12)>S(14)>M(17)>M(17).

After the 1st round of pit stops, I held lead for 2 laps. Which seemed great. BUT THEN...
Frank
The problem is not about dirty air the problem is DRS being too strong

Makes no sense to loose 4-5 spots after a DRS zone....IRL 1 car overtake is normal....here its 4 cars   REALLY???


The difference between Lv17 Tech and Lv20 should be considered. Also, the last lap KERS was also the cherry on top. Besides actually getting a good number of the managers to waste some of it catching up to me, the LVL20 guys just seem to get a lot more done with less. In the DRS zone, I couldn't even pass myself... on some occasion...

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medal 5000
2 years 288 days ago (Last edited by Matthew Cammish 2 years 288 days ago)
AGGiE
Had the United States, 60 laps, 100%. Essentially, new changes made the 4 stop the only strategy. Had gone for a 3 stop, which on paper should have been similar to the 3 stop. Ran a SS(11)>S(14)>M(17)>M(18), and SS(12)>S(14)>M(17)>M(17).

After the 1st round of pit stops, I held lead for 2 laps. Which seemed great. BUT THEN...
Frank
The problem is not about dirty air the problem is DRS being too strong

Makes no sense to loose 4-5 spots after a DRS zone....IRL 1 car overtake is normal....here its 4 cars   REALLY???


The difference between Lv17 Tech and Lv20 should be considered. Also, the last lap KERS was also the cherry on top. Besides actually getting a good number of the managers to waste some of it catching up to me, the LVL20 guys just seem to get a lot more done with less. In the DRS zone, I couldn't even pass myself... on some occasion...



Your biggest problem there is the use of mediums at the moment. There are some tracks where 3 stop at 100% is best. France for one but it's got to be all softs. If you can't do a stratergy with softs as the hardest tyre don't do it.

At 100% distance I can't stress this enough never use mediums or hards at the moment, the Prime tyre is soft the option supers, there are a few tracks where all supers can work, 4 stop at baku if under about 12 degrees and 5 stop in Hungary, obviously Monaco is still all supers. And sometimes you'll have a mixture of softs and supers. But really first work out how many stops you need to use all softs, then work out if you want to do one more stop than that using some or all supers based on things like fuel usage, pitlane delta etc.

Also unlike before there are some tracks you can run softs right down to 25-30% life rather than stop an extra time. You don't fall off a cliff around 40% like before relative to fresh rubber.


Specifically on USA, last raced it in December at 75%. (We have since gone back to 100% races at the start of Jan) but it was a 3 stopper at 75%, a 2 stop being over 10s slower at that dictance so I would have expected at 100% it to be a 4 stop race.

Mediums are just an awful race tyre, you can be 12 laps into a stint on the same fuel and the soft runners are still getting faster laps. I've not tried hards since well before December but I can only imagine they understeer to Narnia. And it won't get better with hotter temps, thats a lie. I've raced Abu Dhabi at 30/31 degrees already and softs were mostly push level 2 with the odd cooldown lap at level 1. So it's going to have to be pushing 40 degrees for the softs to overheat to the degree required to make the mediums the right tyre. Which doesn't happen an awful lot. I'd maybe test the mediums for a stint if a track was showing 35 degrees but I wouldn't be holding my breath.

Shorter race distances the medium might be worth it because relatively speaking one less Pitstop has a greater effect, say doing a 1 stop instead of a 2 stop but the longer race distances you only need to be a bit faster each lap to make up the extra stop. And that's why they don't work as a race tyre.
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medal 4981 Moderator
2 years 288 days ago
An issue with one of the servers, and thus the races on it, not running the latest update with reworked dirty air was identified and fixed. So please continue feedback how this change to dirty air/slipstream fares in the wild and influences your races, especially on overtakes, DRS and ability to break the train.
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medal 6011
2 years 288 days ago
If the new dirty air works as intended I will eat my cowboy hat ?
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medal 6083 Community Manager
2 years 288 days ago
This is the challenge we were waiting for
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medal 5000
2 years 288 days ago
Our race today in the Last Dance was total joke. The race viewer broke about 9 laps in and several cars went missing and eventually as everyone pitted they all got stuck in the middle of the track.

Why on Earth 3D was introduced into the existing game since all the issues seem to emanate from that change.  The devs may have a vision, but it’s unlikely to have any players left if it ever gets fulfilled.  Roll the game back to pre-3D and develop a new 3D game that actually works in the background (iGP Manager 2).  Only then should it be released to your loyal players since the current situation is blatantly untenable 
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medal 5000
2 years 288 days ago
I've just done a race and it seems a little better but I think you can make dirty air heavier, no problems. I think now the DRS is too powerful in some tracks. Belgium and Japan are ok. But Spain, Abu Dhabi are really broken. It seems cars go in downhill when they have DRS on ???
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medal 6083 Community Manager
2 years 288 days ago

Bud
I've just done a race and it seems a little better but I think you can make dirty air heavier, no problems. I think now the DRS is too powerful in some tracks. Belgium and Japan are ok. But Spain, Abu Dhabi are really broken. It seems cars go in downhill when they have DRS on ???



Hey Bud,

How have you played so many races in a few hours to have that opinion?
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medal 5000
2 years 288 days ago (Last edited by Bud Oil 2 years 288 days ago)
Yup. I have been watching races like spectator. Now in this moment Racer X league is running in Spain, you can see it too by yourself ?. Just right in this moment. I have done a race in Europe. Dirty air good but I think you can make heavier. I will wait for some more feedbacks. But DRS Spain is too much glaring ? I mean DRS Spain is broken since the last update (one, two months) and it doesn't take to much to see if it's still broken, doesn't need race but we can use spectator mode to judge DRS power. DRS power influences a lot the possibility to break the train. Just watched a race in Monza, Italy, still remains nosense for me
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medal 5000
2 years 288 days ago

Matthew 
AGGiE
Had the United States, 60 laps, 100%. Essentially, new changes made the 4 stop the only strategy. Had gone for a 3 stop, which on paper should have been similar to the 3 stop. Ran a SS(11)>S(14)>M(17)>M(18), and SS(12)>S(14)>M(17)>M(17).

After the 1st round of pit stops, I held lead for 2 laps. Which seemed great. BUT THEN...
Frank
The problem is not about dirty air the problem is DRS being too strong

Makes no sense to loose 4-5 spots after a DRS zone....IRL 1 car overtake is normal....here its 4 cars   REALLY???


The difference between Lv17 Tech and Lv20 should be considered. Also, the last lap KERS was also the cherry on top. Besides actually getting a good number of the managers to waste some of it catching up to me, the LVL20 guys just seem to get a lot more done with less. In the DRS zone, I couldn't even pass myself... on some occasion...



Your biggest problem there is the use of mediums at the moment. There are some tracks where 3 stop at 100% is best. France for one but it's got to be all softs. If you can't do a stratergy with softs as the hardest tyre don't do it.

At 100% distance I can't stress this enough never use mediums or hards at the moment, the Prime tyre is soft the option supers, there are a few tracks where all supers can work, 4 stop at baku if under about 12 degrees and 5 stop in Hungary, obviously Monaco is still all supers. And sometimes you'll have a mixture of softs and supers. But really first work out how many stops you need to use all softs, then work out if you want to do one more stop than that using some or all supers based on things like fuel usage, pitlane delta etc.

Also unlike before there are some tracks you can run softs right down to 25-30% life rather than stop an extra time. You don't fall off a cliff around 40% like before relative to fresh rubber.


Specifically on USA, last raced it in December at 75%. (We have since gone back to 100% races at the start of Jan) but it was a 3 stopper at 75%, a 2 stop being over 10s slower at that dictance so I would have expected at 100% it to be a 4 stop race.

Mediums are just an awful race tyre, you can be 12 laps into a stint on the same fuel and the soft runners are still getting faster laps. I've not tried hards since well before December but I can only imagine they understeer to Narnia. And it won't get better with hotter temps, thats a lie. I've raced Abu Dhabi at 30/31 degrees already and softs were mostly push level 2 with the odd cooldown lap at level 1. So it's going to have to be pushing 40 degrees for the softs to overheat to the degree required to make the mediums the right tyre. Which doesn't happen an awful lot. I'd maybe test the mediums for a stint if a track was showing 35 degrees but I wouldn't be holding my breath.

Shorter race distances the medium might be worth it because relatively speaking one less Pitstop has a greater effect, say doing a 1 stop instead of a 2 stop but the longer race distances you only need to be a bit faster each lap to make up the extra stop. And that's why they don't work as a race tyre.



Kinda defeats the point of having alternative strategies... I am personally bored of always doing a 4 stop (sometimes 5) which is somehow viable. 
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medal 5000
2 years 288 days ago
I can say this is better for sure. Trains are still a thing (and always will be i think) but some gaps were there in my league race 
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medal 5000
2 years 285 days ago
OK so done 4 or 5 races now with the changes. They have really rescued the game at least for now, I've done some things the last few days I could never have done before and got a decent result. The initial impression I had with the Germany race seems about right.
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medal 5000
2 years 284 days ago
I haven't seen the races live but at least it is bringing me some good points :D
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