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iGP Manager 26: New League System Explained

medal 5170 CEO & CTO
3 days ago
IMPORTANT
There was a mistake made early in this thread that has led to a lot of the confusion. In 3 of my posts I accidentally used "month" once interchangeably with "season" and we quickly spiralled off to talking in months not seasons.

The boosts are applied PER SEASON not per month. I've gone back and edited my posts which used month incorrectly. This changes the picture considerably for leagues that want to race e.g. once per week with a 20 race season, it's actually £10 every 20 weeks, not per month.


Maurizio
Are the prices per season or a one-off?

I realised the misunderstanding when I read this post, thanks for asking!

Marco

My 52 races point is that I really don't get why it is a monthly fee

Given it's season-based, not month based, has this shifted your take at all? The cost is now more like £30-40 per year, not the £120 we were speaking of.
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medal 5120
3 days ago

Jack
IMPORTANT
There was a mistake made early in this thread that has led to a lot of the confusion. In 3 of my posts I accidentally used "month" once interchangeably with "season" and we quickly spiralled off to talking in months not seasons.

The boosts are applied PER SEASON not per month. I've gone back and edited my posts which used month incorrectly. This changes the picture considerably for leagues that want to race e.g. once per week.


Maurizio
Are the prices per season or a one-off?

I realised the misunderstanding when I read this post, thanks for asking!

Marco

My 52 races point is that I really don't get why it is a monthly fee

This changes your example considerably, Marco. E.g. if you have a 20 race season racing weekly, it's actually £10 every 20 weeks, not per month! More like £30-40 per year. Does that sound better?



I went back and edited my last post having seen this - per season absoutely makes it manageable as we have roughly 3 seasons per year!


Just to check on the point in my previous post, is the only way to have custom race days the Gold tier?
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medal 5170 CEO & CTO
3 days ago
Marco
I went back and edited my last post having seen this - per season absoutely makes it manageable as we have roughly 3 seasons per year!

Just to check on the point in my previous post, is the only way to have custom race days the Gold tier?

Yes, and sorry for the mistake. I feel quite silly for continuing the discussion and not catching myself.

It goes to show how much is in the update, I'm losing track of some details myself. 😅
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medal 5092
3 days ago Translate

Jack
IMPORTANT
There was a mistake made early in this thread that has led to a lot of the confusion. In 3 of my posts I accidentally used "month" once interchangeably with "season" and we quickly spiralled off to talking in months not seasons.

The boosts are applied PER SEASON not per month. I've gone back and edited my posts which used month incorrectly. This changes the picture considerably for leagues that want to race e.g. once per week with a 20 race season, it's actually £10 every 20 weeks, not per month.


Maurizio
Are the prices per season or a one-off?

I realised the misunderstanding when I read this post, thanks for asking!

Marco

My 52 races point is that I really don't get why it is a monthly fee

Given it's season-based, not month based, has this shifted your take at all? The cost is now more like £30-40 per year, not the £120 we were speaking of.



So, if a league wants to run Monday through Friday, it should pay every three weeks? I preferred when we talked about months...
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medal 5170 CEO & CTO
3 days ago
Franco
So, if a league wants to run Monday through Friday, it should pay every three weeks? I preferred when we talked about months...

This is where I think we can introduce the discussion about subsidies, I'm still willing to consider that. I'll propose every season a league runs the cost discounts by 10%, until it is 50% off. This can be implemented quickly, and your league would immediately qualify for the full 50% discount, being so old.

That would make your league about £6-7 per month, if you want the Gold tier.

Marco should be happy too, he's looking the price of a discounted copy of F1 Manager.

This is the sort of middle ground I was hoping we could reach, this should address everyone's concerns.
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medal 5120
3 days ago

Jack
Franco
So, if a league wants to run Monday through Friday, it should pay every three weeks? I preferred when we talked about months...

This is where I think we can introduce the discussion about subsidies, I'm still willing to consider that. I'll propose every season a league runs the cost discounts by 10%, until it is 50% off. This can be implemented quickly, and your league would immediately qualify for the full 50% discount, being so old.

That would make your league about £6-7 per month, if you want the Gold tier.

Marco should be happy too, he's looking the price of a discounted copy of F1 Manager.


I am glad we have cleared up the confusion!


I take the final comment to mean that the discount would also apply to our league, having been around for 7 years, even though we race less frequently.
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medal 5170 CEO & CTO
3 days ago
Marco
I take the final comment to mean that the discount would also apply to our league, having been around for 7 years, even though we race less frequently.

Correct, so take the £30-40 figure we just spoke about and halve it again. Now we're only talking £15-20 per year for your league.
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medal 5120
3 days ago

Jack
Marco
I take the final comment to mean that the discount would also apply to our league, having been around for 7 years, even though we race less frequently.

Correct, so take the £30-40 figure we just spoke about and halve it again. Now we're only talking £15-20 per year for your league.



That's excellent to hear! Same as a discounted F1 Manager for a better game. I'm glad we've gotten over the confusion and I hope the update is a success. 


I'll keep throwing out fringe ideas to consider if I can think of any and it might be helpful to some - like to one on my last post on the previous page.
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medal 5364
3 days ago
My league was created 17 Nov 2018, 8 years on (subsidise away lol) and coming up on the last 3 races of season 51.

As i mentioned earlier i have 3 races to go and i was wondering if that calendar will finish as it is with the league options as they are presently or no? (or just release the update on the 19th which will give you another week to sort more things and do your blog lol)

btw.. where did Jose go? 
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medal 5170 CEO & CTO
3 days ago

Marco

Jack
Marco
I take the final comment to mean that the discount would also apply to our league, having been around for 7 years, even though we race less frequently.

Correct, so take the £30-40 figure we just spoke about and halve it again. Now we're only talking £15-20 per year for your league.



That's excellent to hear! Same as a discounted F1 Manager for a better game. I'm glad we've gotten over the confusion and I hope the update is a success. 


I'll keep throwing out fringe ideas to consider if I can think of any and it might be helpful to some - like to one on my last post on the previous page.

I promised it would be a dialogue from now on, and this thread is a perfect example. A rapid discussion where in a couple of hours you've got all the info you wanted and a discount. This is how I like to do things. Hopefully everyone else is happy, because I'm really optimistic about the update itself and can't wait to show you in the next blog. 
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medal 5000
3 days ago

Jack
I'm really optimistic about the update itself and can't wait to show you in the next blog. 


when is it btw?
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medal 5170 CEO & CTO
3 days ago
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when is it btw?

Blog? Tonight hopefully.

Update: 14th December (pending iOS approval, we're still waiting on them... hurry up Apple!).

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medal 5208
3 days ago Translate

Jack
IMPORTANT
There was a mistake made early in this thread that has led to a lot of the confusion. In 3 of my posts I accidentally used "month" once interchangeably with "season" and we quickly spiralled off to talking in months not seasons.

The boosts are applied PER SEASON not per month. I've gone back and edited my posts which used month incorrectly. This changes the picture considerably for leagues that want to race e.g. once per week with a 20 race season, it's actually £10 every 20 weeks, not per month.


Maurizio
Are the prices per season or a one-off?

I realised the misunderstanding when I read this post, thanks for asking!

Marco

My 52 races point is that I really don't get why it is a monthly fee

Given it's season-based, not month based, has this shifted your take at all? The cost is now more like £30-40 per year, not the £120 we were speaking of.



Hello Jack, following your clarification, I would like to discuss the specific case of my league in relation to this new development, the Intercontinental Series. The Intercontinental Series is a league managed by WhatsApp that includes six leagues within one: F1, F2, F3, F4, F5 and K6 Intercontinental Series, as they are each called in igp. We run 15-day seasons, and we race from Monday to Friday because for the vast majority it is not feasible to race on weekends. This means that we cut seasons to three weeks. With all the information I have given you, if we calculate what we have to spend to be sure we can race from Monday to Friday and not lose a large part of our community (this is the only reason we want to buy IAP, so we don't have to race on those two days), we find that we have to pay £10 x 6 leagues, which is £60 per season. And considering that we run 17 seasons in the 52 weeks of the year, we would have to pay £60 x 17 = £1,020 per year, just to avoid running on weekends. This is absolutely outrageous, especially for our league, which is mainly hosted by a group of Argentinians. £1,020 in Argentina is almost 2,000,000 Argentine pesos. This is absolutely unfeasible for a normal person in Argentina; it's almost like paying 6 months' rent for a house there!

Thank you very much in advance, Jack, for all the work you are doing to listen to us.
I think that offering discounts based on the total number of leagues, or as you said, based on seniority, is something that should be done. We love this game and would like to continue with our large community. We would also like to contribute to the game as much as we can, but not in a completely exaggerated way that we cannot afford. You are doing an incredible job with the game and I would like to congratulate you on the update, except for this one point, which I think should be reviewed. I think the update is great news, and with it, the game will thrive.
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medal 5170 CEO & CTO
3 days ago
That's certanly an interesting case, Sergio... talk about an extreme edge case!

Anyone got any suggestions for how to handle this one?!
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medal 5962
3 days ago (Last edited by Lvr 3 days ago)
It seems to me that farming and lapped cars will increase rather than decrease as promised. Those who don't pay but want to race five days a week won't want to do setup and strategy for the weekend races and won't compete for ranking points for those races. Therefore, I wonder if it would be possible to exclude those who don't setup with a DNS from the race and not award them tokens, this way they will be incentivized to move to a boosted league instead of getting undeserved free tokens by running among those who want to run every day.. Those who can and want to participate every day will continue to be fairly rewarded with tokens (and maybe an extra token if you also enter online during the race), and a points advantage thanks to their results and consistent effort.
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medal 5000
3 days ago
Jack
That's certanly an interesting case, Sergio... talk about an extreme edge case!

Anyone got any suggestions for how to handle this one?!



I don't know how to make this, but maybe add an ability to add divisions (if your league is ~80-90% full) into a golden level? It's solved an initial issue + cool QoL update.
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medal 5040
3 days ago Translate

Jack
That's certanly an interesting case, Sergio... talk about an extreme edge case!

Anyone got any suggestions for how to handle this one?!



Hi Jack! 


After reading everything and seeing the new changes, I can only say that I think a high percentage of players will disappear. League editing falls really short for what we’re being asked to pay. We’re going from paying nothing to paying £10 per season? That’s just not sustainable for most communities.

The idea of boosts per manager to use in leagues is fine, but not everyone will be able to pay just to play. And on top of that, we’d only be paying to edit which days we race, when there could be more customisation options for leagues — like manual promotions and relegations, forming 2- or 4-person teams (which many leagues already do manually), removing rain, or keeping divisions like we have now. For example, a league that currently has Elite and Pro with active people will now have to pay for 2 leagues. Why not just allow two divisions per league, even if they’re not called PRO and ELITE?

I’ve been playing iGP since 2021, and I think this update is the one that will make the most managers quit. I hope you listen to the community and can roll back some of these decisions.

Best regards.

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medal 5332
3 days ago

Jack
That's certanly an interesting case, Sergio... talk about an extreme edge case!

Anyone got any suggestions for how to handle this one?!



I feel like race days shouldn’t be behind a th boosts. I think cost could manage just fine without it. It may be hard to let go of, but it seems like the only thing people are upset about… not race distances or speed. I would gladly pay 2 dollars a season for that. But times for 20 dollars when I do races everyday (and change days depending on league availability) is something I think shouldn’t be taken. (The broke college student speaks again!) 🤣
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medal 5499
3 days ago
Jack
That's certanly an interesting case, Sergio... talk about an extreme edge case!

Anyone got any suggestions for how to handle this one?!


My post earlier seems to have been overlooked... but why not just have these (and other hosted) leagues as 'friendly' leagues that don't contribute to HallOfFame, or any other similar global aspect of the game? That way they can continue to run independently - and just allow hosts to choose race dates. Set default options for everything else: distance (50%), duration (2x), tracks (random), fastest laps point (on), tyre rule (on), refuelling (off). These can be changed by using boosts.


It's still a compromise, I'm sure most league hosts would want to be able to toggle at least refuelling and tyre rules, so perhaps there could be a much 'cheaper' boost option for individual rules? Example: unlocking a single rule = £2 per season - I say £2 because there are six customisation options and 6x2 makes the £10 option still viable as a 'bargain price'. I think a lot of people might be willing to pay a small amount to just change tyre/refuelling.

ALTERNATIVELY (or even additionally!):
Allow hosts to apply to manage multiple leagues at discounted additional fees; e.g. the first league is still £10, but each additional league is at £2 for each (Sergio's example would be £20 x 17 = £340. I think these could be granted on a case-by-case basis, and only a few people would be allowed to do it, since this is more open to manipulation (people playing host for others)... so... it has its flaws. But since this is all 'new' revenue... may be that's another compromise?
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medal 5430
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Jack
That's certanly an interesting case, Sergio... talk about an extreme edge case!

Anyone got any suggestions for how to handle this one?!




I would like a suggestion that would be a real improvement that I would value and purchase.

And two suggestions that could bring income to the game even among those who are not conisdering to make purchases.


1. Being able to buy individually a "race manager" who can be previously indicated with what criteria to push in each part of the circuit. So the player can compete well even when offline, or even online but being able to attend to other things. The "race manager" could also make a forecast of the remaining fuel and reduce push/thrust if completion of the race arithmetically became compromised.

It would really be an improvement to the game, it allows those who pay to play comfortably without having an advantage that any willing free player cannot overcome.

Maybe 20 minutes for 20 days a month, manual-controlling the push in the race, could be several hours a month spent there. Which could well replace in exchange for a few euros per month.



2. Be able to watch videos or advertisements daily to access certain "credits" for purchases in game

3. Being able to offer real "Sponsors" who want to promote themselves via game

I am a Spanish speaker, I hope that the translation of my respectful suggestion can be understood.

Bye
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