Unresolved

Qualifying Nightmare

I want to get some input and help on what on earth I do about qualifying as since I started using this team again it has been awful, it results in me having to work out what the fastest strategy is to work out what everyone else is going to do so then I can do the complete opposite even if it’s a slower strategy because a lot of the time its better the be at the front on Supersofts than 20th- 30th on Softs when everyone is on softs, Or at other tracks be 25th- 30th on softs rather than be 20th - 25th on the grid on Supersofts. (Especially 50% races, hard league ect)
But I’m getting fed up of playing with 1 or both hands tied behind my back, this is 2 full season’s of rubbish qualifying, there’s no way it can be put down to bad luck, what on earth is going on, I’ve listed all 32 qualifying's below plus a brief summery.

Also point out I’m massively experienced and raced with many teams in many leagues over a long period of time probably done 4,000 races, this is something new to me, something I can’t explain. I’ve used 7 drivers I think with varying levels of experience & age & height, none of that made a difference, I have a equal car to everyone else.

Is my team bugged?
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• 23 out 33 races I’ve had 1 driver on back row of grid of same tyre compound. (2 of those 22 Races i was only 2 cars on those tyres)

• 28 out of 33 races having 1 car on back 2 rows of grid of same tyre compound. (2 of those 27 Races i was only 2 cars on those tyres)

• 16 out of 33 races I have had both cars on back 2 rows of grid of same tyre compound. (6 of those 16 races there was only 4 cars on those tyres)

• 14 times from 33 races have had Both drivers more than 2 tenths off first place on same tyres

• 14 out of 33 Races that I had a 2 tenths to 6.5 tenths gap between my own drivers.

• 10 out of 33 Races that I had a driver 4+ tenths gap to fastest driver on same tyres.

• 36 times from 33 Races (66 chances due to 2-cars) drivers been more than 2 tenths off fastest time of competitors on same tyres.

• Out of 18 races (36 Chances due to 2 cars) when there was more than 12 cars on same tyres, that I had top 5’s on grid on same tyres etc = 3 out of 36 (best was 5th)

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SEASON 1.

Australia.
First of Softs = 1:26.626
Frentzen1 - 1:26.816 (2 tenths behind) 13th out of 21 on Softs
Frentzen2 - 1:26.854 (2 tenths behind) 16th out of 21 on Softs

Malaysia.
First - 1:34.49 (Softs)
Frentzen1 - 1:34.68 (2 tenths) 17th out of 24 on Softs
Frentzen2 - 1:35.13 (6 tenths) 21st out of 24 on softs.

China
First - 1:33.77 (Softs)
Frentzen2 - 1:33.96 (2 tenths) 17th (26 on softs)
Frentzen1 - 1:34.23 (5 tenths) 23rd out of 26 on softs.

Bahrain
First - 1:30.70 (Softs)
Frentzen2 - 1:30.98 (2.2 tenths) 20th
Frentzen1 - 1:31.28 (5.5 tenths) 30th  out of 24 on softs.  6 cars on mediums ahead of me!!

First - 1:20.05 Spain (Softs)
Schumacher - 1:20.2 (2 tenths) 18th
Frentzen2 - 1:20.63 (6 tenths) 24th out of 26 on softs

Monaco
First - 1:28.655 (SuperSofts)
Schumi - 1:28.912 (2.5 tenths) 19th out of 32 on SuperSofts
Bottas - 1:28.960 (3 tenths) 24th out of 32 on SuperSofts

Turkey
First (Gasly) - 1:34.559 (Softs)
Schumi - 1:34.705 (1.5 tenths) 18th out of 26 on Softs
Bottas - 1:34.743 (2 tenths) 25th out of 26 on softs

Britain
First -- 1:32.15 (Softs)
Schumi - 1:32.71 (6 tenths) 17th out of 23 on Softs
Bottas - 1:32.74 (6 tenths) 19th out of 23 on softs

Germany
First -- 1:29.59 (supersofts)
Schumi - 1:29.86 (3 tenths) 3rd
Bottas - 1:29.95 (3 tenths) 5th out of ONLY 4 on Supersofts
Ambers Gurdjeiff was 4th on a 1:29.93. On Softs (Ahead of my 2nd Driver)

Europe
First (Gasly) - 1:36.493 (Supersofts)
Schumacher - 1:36.64 (1.5 tenths) 6th out of 7 on Supersofts
Frentzen1 - 1:36.85 (4-5 tenths tenths) 7th out of ONLY 7 on supersofts

Belgium
First (Gurdjieff) - 1:49.704 (Supersofts)
Schumi - 1:49.844 (1 tenths) 4th out of 6 on supersofts
Bottas - 1:50.044 (3.5 tenths) 7th out of 6 on supersofts (behind guy on Softs)
First Softs = 1:50.034 (In Front of my 2nd Driver)

Italy
First of Medium runners - 1:22.263 (14th)
Schumi - 1:22.446 (2 tenths) 20th - 7th out of 17 drivers on mediums
Bottas - 1:22.620 (4 tenths) 30th - 17th out of 17 drivers on mediums

Singapore
First - 1:37.996 (Supersofts)
Schumi - 1:38.036 (0.5 tenths) 6th out of 13 on supersofts
Bottas - 1:38.104 (1 tenths) 13th out of 13 on supersofts
First Softs = 1:38.218 (1 tenth behind 2nd driver)

Japan
Schumacher - 1:30.475  1st out of 2 on supersofts
Berlusconi - 1:30.727 (3 tenths) 2nd out of 2 on supersofts
First Softs = 1:30.854 (1 tenth behind 2nd driver)

Brazil
First - 1:12.347 (Supersofts)
Schumi - 1:12.553 (2 tenths) 7th out of 8 on supersofts
Bottas - 1:12.561 (2 tenths) 8th out of 8 on supersofts

Abu Dhabi
Senna - 1:38.905 - 1st out of 2 on supersofts
Schumi - 1:39.070 - 2nd out of 2 on supersofts
First Softs = 1:39.12 (1 tenth behind)
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Season 2.

Australia.
First - 1:24.870 (supersofts)
Senna - 1:24.915 (0.5 tenth behind) 5th out of 17 on supersofts.
Schumacher - 1:25.021 (1.5 tenths behind) 16th out of 17 on supersofts (1 car behind has level 7 driver)

Malaysia.
First - 1:33.099 (softs)
Senna - 1:33.446 (3.5 tenths behind) 12th out of 21 on softs
Schumai - 1:33.706 (6+ tenths behind) 20th out of 21 on softs.

China
First - 1:32.093 (Supersofts)
Schumi - 1:32.107 (0 tenths) 2nd out of 3 on Supersofts
Senna - 1:32.169 (1 tenths) 3rd out of 3 on Supersofts
Last 2 on supersofts

Bahrain
First Soft Runner - 1:29.132 (4th)
A.Senna - 1:29.455 (3 tenths) 12th -- (9th out of 24 on Softs)
Schumi - 1:29.553 (4 tenths) 24th -- (21st of 24 on softs)

Spain
Senna - 1:18.530 (0 tenths) 1st Out of 4 on SuperSofts
Schumi - 1:18.795 (2.5 tenths) 4th Out of 4 on SuperSofts
P5 on Softs - 1.18.865 (0.5 tenths behind me)

Monaco
First - 1:27.488 (Supersofts)
Senna - 1:27.505 (0 tenths) 5th out of 32 on Supersofts
Schumi - 1:27.510 (0 tenths) 8th out of 32 on Supersofts

Turkey
First Medium Runner - 1:33.859 (30th)
Senna - 1:33.907 (0.5 tenths) 3rd out of 3 on Mediums
Schumi - 1:33.876 (0 tenths) 2nd out of 3 on Mediums

Britain
First - 1:30.623 (Supersofts)
Senna - 1:30.765 (1 tenths) 4th out of 5 on Supersofts
Schumi - 1:30.997 (3.5 tenths) 5th out of 5 on Supersofts
1st Soft = P6 1:31.051 (0.5 tenths behind my supersoft)

Germany
First - 1:28.592 (Supersofts)
Senna - 1:28.708 (1 tenths) 7th out of 10 on Supersofts
Schumi - 1:28.908 (3 tenths) 10th out of 10 on Supersofts

Hungry
First - 1:21.821 (Supersofts)
Schumi - 1:21.987 (1.5 tenths) 16th out of 18 on Supersofts
Senna - 1:22.094 (2.5 tenths) 18th out of 18 on Supersofts

Europe
First - 1:36.015 (Supersofts)
Senna - 1:36.320 (3 tenths) 21st out of 23 on Supersofts
Schumi - 1:36.351 (3.5 tenths) 22nd out of 23 on Supersofts

Belgium
First - 1:49.048 (Supersofts)
Senna - 1:49.194 (1.5 tenths) 4th out of 10 on Supersofts
Schumi - 1:49.410 (3.5 tenths) 8th out of 10 on Supersofts

Italy
First Soft - 1:21.847 (2nd)
Senna - 1:22.029 (2 tenths) 20th -- 19th out of 22 on Softs
Schumi - 1:22.072 (2 tenths) 23rd --  22nd out of 22 on Softs
25th &  26th on Softs was new team with awful car design not included above.

Singapore
First - 1:37.817 (Supersofts)
First Soft - 1:38.411 (20th)
Schumi - 1:38.679 (2.6 tenths) 25th -- 6th out of 7 on Softs
Senna -  1:38.612  (2 tenths)  26th  --- 7th out of 7 on Softs

Japan
First - 1:30.183(Supersofts)
Senna - 1:30.458 (2.5 tenths) -- 3rd out of 4 on SuperSofts
Schumi - 1:30.623 (4.5 tenths) -- 4th out of 4 on SuperSofts
1st Softs (5th)  = 1:30.868 (2 tenths behind my driver) Practice was 6 Tenths)

Brazil
First - 1:12.411 (Supersofts)
First Soft = 1:12.925 (6th)
Senna - 1:12.982 (0.5 tenths) 10th -- 5th out of 18 on Softs
Schumi - 1:13.097 (1.5 tenths) 23rd -- 18th out of 18 on Softs

I'm going through the same nightmare, Don't even remember when i was on pole position last time, 

Another team created on the old game in 2013. (mine was 2012)


After talking with a fellow player he informed me that he's seen something similar with another manager who was always at the back of the grid and his team was created on the old game in 2014.

link maybe?

Yes that maybe a strange reason for the poor qualifying, but we need more data on that

I just finished a race, sadly it was more of the same

I notice, in multiple leagues I've been in this year, that this problem is usually suffered by managers on older accounts. I have raced with managers like Gary Collyer and Jason Chen this year, while both of them were using accounts created in 2012!!! Gary's qualifying woes are outlined here, but Jason Chen with his oldest team has also suffered a long streak of bad qualifying, often starting at the back among those on the same tyres while we were racing in League of Legends.

I've raced Vinod on the open beta for the new iGP and I know Vinod like Gary Collyer has multiple accounts created over the years.

And while not as bad as Gary's and Jason's qualies, my qualifying performance with my teams created in 2016 tends to be on the poorer side as well, and my one team created in 2017 has better qualy than both of them in general. I don't mind my bad qualies because I'm used to it, and I still have periods of good qualies with all my teams, but I do get shockers like this occasionally (I didn't manage to attend this race but I did do setups/strats): https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=24970360&tab=qualifying

Yes, that is my car on SS qualifying behind all the S runners besides my own S starter, 1 other unlucky fellow, and a couple cars with less design points/worse engines. There are other forms of shockers: I've seen Gary Collyer regularly have one car qualify 0.3s behind the other, for example, both when I raced him back in 2017 and also this year. It's too often an occasion to be explained just by luck IMO.

Veterans like Gary Collyer and Jason Chen are some of the very best I've raced with on iGP by some margin, not to take away the abilities and accomplishments of other managers. They are able to be competitive even when they start from the back, but I can attest that they regularly have much worse qualies than their competition, especially when they use their older teams. I suspect either we are qualifying on different servers which perform differently, or the servers process the qualifying of the teams differently depending on certain unknown variables, whether that be account date of creation or whatever. But I'm not a programmer so what do I know.

Qualy is quite a determining factor on the competitiveness of teams so I don't imagine regularly having bad or weird qualy for not 3, 5, but 10+ races or multiple seasons would be very enjoyable for most managers. With things like designs being relatively equal on competitive Elite tiers it's not like we have much control over it either IMO.

Those were good old days, Boomer Kid glad you remember :)

I have noticed a thing that when you are up against level 16-17 managers/drivers, they mostly out qualify you, Always felt level 16-17 managers/drivers are OP, even i was level 16-17 on multiple accounts i was way quicker than level 18-19 managers/drivers, 

I'm starting to think iGP favor less experienced managers in quali this happens almost all the time. I have raced two teams in the same league, this one getting the better qualifyings and has been made 3 months after my first one

Couple of examples of when had bad race and the next race's qualifying

Season 1
Monaco GP (4th in championship)
qualified 19th & 24th out of 25 on supersofts
Finished 13th & 16th

Next Race
Turkey GP (4th in championship)
Qualified 18th & 25th out of 26 cars on Softs (still rubbish quali)

Season 2.

British GP. (1st in champ)
Qualified 4th & 5th out of 5 Cars. (Last)
Scored 1 point in 10th & 12th. (so bad race didn't gain positions etc)

Next race 
Germany GP. (1st in champ)
Qualified - 7th & 10th out of 10 cars, 3 tenths behind (last) (still rubbish quali)
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Japan GP (1st in champ)
Qualified 3rd & 4th out of 4 cars on supersofts (last), 3-5 tenths behind pole.
I finished 12th & 14th and score no points.

Next Race
Brazil (2nd in champ, qualified behind both of the guy in lead of championships cars)
Qualified 5th & 18th out of 18 cars on softs (last)
I have others also.
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For season 1 i ran the car numbers 27 & 28 i think.
For season 2 i ran the cars numbers 1 & 2.
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Season 1 i was between 1st & 5th throughout the season.
Season 2 i was in 1st position until Japan then 2nd other races.

Whenever you talk about on poor qualification, they will say that its not random, there are some hidden skills and rate of errors on a flying lap thats factors when driver qualify on a position, Its hidden and it's so frustrating, maybe IGP need to bring the 1st stint fuel into the consideration when simulating Qualifying, Atleat than I won't be starting back of the grid when I'm light on fuel, If I'm heavy on fuel punish me with a bad qually, There will be a visible reason for a slower lap, 

Well i'm done with this game, i nearly didn't bother this season but just thought i'd check what happen with a different team but first race of season, same result 24th & 25th out of 25 cars on supersofts, yeah less design points than some but quite a few new teams so same design as them, 3 of them teams top 10, one in 11th and the other on softs, i haven't enjoyed playing this for a while with this bug that is attached to my name clearly i think, maybe even its direct sabotage by someone with access as its seems all my teams that are in my name have this bug, 2 months now and i have no desire to play a handicapped game that makes it impossible for me to play FAIRLY against all the other managers, IGP refuses to look into it so that's it.

I kept calm about it mostly for 2 months but i've reached the end of my patience, after 7+ years playing it, iGP or whoever it is got there wish it's done I’m gone...
Which is a shame as I loved this game...

The Feeling is mutual but I'm still hopeful that IGP will look into it eventually, It's frustrating to going through it day in day after, Just the sake of long term future of IGP, Hope they gonna do something to fix this

Do you have a team created within the past 16 months? Since a few managers with old accounts are having the same issue. 

Its is a new team now, started in the last 16 months haha

Hilariously i was stuck on 99 Poles (manger stats) for quite some time. As soon as it was mentioned in league chat by Host and i replied with (tongue-in-cheek) "I thought about going SS for 2 laps but will still probably qualy around 20th (or thereabouts) place" the very next race my cars were P1 and P2 in qualy. Haha. Had to laugh. 

Hello everyone,

First of all, excuse my awkward English. I will try to express my ideas as correctly as possible.
My experience in iGP is also long-lived, although not as much as some managers here (I will have run around 1,000 races).

I have to say, I didn't try things like using older or newer accounts to try to improve my qualys. Some time ago they let me know that the qualys are somewhat random in which factors such as the gasoline you are going to use in the race in your first stint do not intervene.


Said that, I do not try to find the reasons why a manager with an unbeatable driver with maximum skills and experience or with a much better car in terms of design points, classifies worse than others.



I simply want to contribute with ideas so that the game developers can consider for future updates and with which the qualys would be much more interesting and the managers could enjoy a "a little more fair" game.

1. On the one hand, I think it would be very interesting if managers could actively participate in the qualy. I mean, you could run during the qualifying lap using the push.

2. On the other hand, I think it would also be interesting to favor the show, that the gasoline used in the first stint of the race, was the one used to make the qualifying lap.

3. In addition, I consider that the design of the car and the number of design points available to the manager should be much more important in the qualy. It can not be that managers with 10-12 points less design, rank much better than managers with more points, nor that managers who do not consider the type of circuit in which they are running and who do not design "properly" according to the circuit can qualify much higher than others who study the circuits and think about which is the most appropriate design.


I think that iGP is a great game in many aspects and that improving very important details such as qualy in this case could generate much more fun and healthy competitiveness than it has already achieved.

I hope everyone's ideas can be valued and we can get a better game than it already is.

Hello, the first to forgive my Google Translator English ... regarding your situation, Gary, I am in similar conditions, it does not always put me the last in the ranking, but from 100 it is a horror ... even In Silverstone, with a car of 100 in the 4 good ones, fuel economy and tires above 50, he suffered an unfortunate qualification (nobody had a car as good as me), in the race it was a bullet but I could not get better results that a third place ... and then I find myself again and again to the point of having to give up the use of Super Soft tires because it is a disaster ... I don't know what compensation system they have in iGP, but the managers who suffer worse results at the beginning of the season because they develop worse, as the races progress, they are always in the best positions on the grid ... and in leagues like ours that are full of great managers, moving forward is not easy ... I am according With all the opinions he read in this post, and I think something needs to be done to solve this situation, because many of the most competitive managers will end up leaving the game sooner or later ... I've seen great managers like Jason Chen win 2 championships in a row in League of Legends, and in the third season being at the end of the qualification grid in almost every race ... every player who wins the championship and gets good results, in the following seasons it was difficult or impossible for them being in the top 5 ... Even a top quality manager like Boomer Kid, in iGP Super Legend after winning at least 3 championships in a row, his 4 season was impossible to fight for the title ... inexplicable things! fix this please

I remember seeing another suggestion somewhere about reducing design points allocated per race, maybe even gained through research. There are now at least 19 races on the league calendar which would leave most Elite tiers having to roll the dice with qualy for more races once everyone's big 4 reaches 100 design. 

I agree that there are concerns on how much car design affects qualy performance. I'm sure there are managers who have experience being the team with the best car or one of the best cars, but find their cars qualifying dozens of positions below teams with less design, and I'm talking even 10-20 less total design. I understand the factor of randomness to spice things up, give teams with less total design a chance rather than have them be frustrated with starting at the back all the time, but I'm sure some managers have had weird runs such as starting towards the back for 4-5 races in a row while having the "best car". 

There's a lot of ideas put forth for qualy, from qualifying with race fuel to having active qualifying sessions. I'm not sure how much attention the iGP team aims to put into qualifying considering the increasing amount of suggestions for it to be changed, but once we have more league customization, I believe it would be great if leagues could choose from a number of qualifying options. 

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[more off-topic]: the season I lost in iGP Super Legend was more due to me not being on form, and I wasn't too committed to the game before going on my break (outside of different seasons in Super Legend, you may compare my results in Leyendas vs iGP F1 to see the difference in form), but I don't really have excuses. 

Yes, I linked a qualy session from Super Legend as an example of a weird qualy, but I've had similar stuff occasionally happen in other leagues, and they've definitely happened to other managers as well. There's a couple of managers I've raced with off the top of my head (those in the know would know) who have/have had much worse runs of qualies than I've had.

This is the most important thread ever in the forum. Qualifying are the real problem of the game, together with the pit stops where some people lose 2 seconds nonsense for waiting the car ahead.
I can understand the purpose of levelling as much as possible the game, to let everyone the chance to win, but it's unfair. Everyone should be at the same level or, if there are hidden skills for the qualify, we need to know them, clearly. It happens often to get stuck in 20th, 25th position and the races go away. Now I use M tyres almost in every race in the first stint (where I can with the temperature), because I got frustrated too many times because of a bad qualify, at least I can't complain if I know I start in one of the last positions anyway :) 
The best thing would be doing a flying lap 8 minutes before the race, like having a real qualifying, but I guess it is impossible to realize :D