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medal 5000
5 years 200 days ago
No changes for 50% races? Will mean hard hard will stay the best strategy
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medal 5289 CEO & CTO
5 years 200 days ago
jerry 
No changes for 50% races? Will mean hard hard will stay the best strategy

They have changed. See the first point:
Jack
What has changed?

  • Hard tyres and Medium tyres now wear faster relative to other tyres



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medal 5000
5 years 200 days ago
i hopenthe gameplay will be now more realistic as before and not more 3xH at 9° or 7-8 stop strategys at monaco, valencia, hungary or singapur
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medal 5000
5 years 200 days ago
We will see if the changes are for good.
Thanks for the change Jack!
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medal 5366
5 years 200 days ago
In my league, we just finished our race and absolutely nothing has changed. And the guys are moaning about the fact that softer tyres seemed to be even slower and Hards seemed to be even faster. But I think they're a bit overreacting by the fact that they were expecting something different, so they're now saying it's even worse. In my opinion, nothing has changed. Hards dominated the 50% German Grand Prix as always.
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medal 5289 CEO & CTO
5 years 200 days ago (edited 5 years 200 days ago)
We have some leagues now saying they will never use the hards ever again because soft tyres are so dominant, and another saying Hards are so dominant that nothing has changed. Hopefully now everyone can see in one place the contrasting opinions we have to deal with and juggling act we have to perform, we'll have some patience as we get to the new balance this week.

Alessia
I think they're a bit overreacting by the fact that they were expecting something different

Well, they can expect it to be addressed this week. That's our aim. But I must reiterate we see this as the first step, not the last one. Anyone expecting miraculous instant changes will have to wait a few more days.
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medal 5000
5 years 200 days ago

Jason
i hopenthe gameplay will be now more realistic as before and not more 3xH at 9° or 7-8 stop strategys at monaco, valencia, hungary or singapur



That will need a different tweak to correct. Pit lane time in Monaco and Valencia is 16s and 13s respectively, so you can run these 5-7 stop strategies.


Perhaps a minimum pit lane time can be set. 17s or 18s could be good start point.

Also the fuel refueling rate could be adjusted. Currently it's 20 litres/second, 2.0s for 40 litre pitstop (It was 12.1 litres/second in F1, before refuelling was banned)
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medal 5000
5 years 200 days ago
In my league the manager that goes in 1st place uses all the time hard tyres. he only makes 1 pit stop every race. 
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medal 6316
5 years 200 days ago
Will you think to implement new slick tyres, like the ULTRASOFT (US)?
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medal 5289 CEO & CTO
5 years 200 days ago
Andre
In my league the manager that goes in 1st place uses all the time hard tyres. he only makes 1 pit stop every race. 

The league is not competitive. Looking at the best non H-H strategies, they both ran the S and M tyres to 20% condition, whereas the winner changed tyres above 65% condition. It was an extremely sub-optimal strategy from the opposition. As a result it was hardly a comparison between the tyres and more of a comparison between the managers.
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medal 5000
5 years 200 days ago
Would be good if existing practice runs could be removed to re-run on new tyre wear to reconsider strategy
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medal 5366
5 years 200 days ago

Jack
Alessia
I think they're a bit overreacting by the fact that they were expecting something different

Well, they can expect it to be addressed this week.

We have some leagues now saying they will never use the hards ever again because soft tyres are so dominant, and another saying Hards are so dominant that nothing has changed (even though they wear at the rate of mediums now). Hopefully the community will be understanding, seeing the juggling act we have to perform now, dealing with such contrasting situations.



Thank you for replying. I would like for you to take a look at our race results: https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=19356367&tab=race


50% German GP at 23°C

The winner used a S/H strategy, starting in P5, using Softs for 13 laps and Hards for 17 laps.
I finished in P2 using a H/H strategy, 17 laps for the first stint and 13 laps for the second stint. I finished 2.2 seconds behind the winner and I started in P14.
All those who finished from P1 to P11 used a 1 stop strategy, most of them used a H/H strategy and a few others used a S/H strategy. The fastest one using a 2 stops strategy started in Pole Position and finished in P12, out of the points. And so who started in P2, finished in P13 out of the points. The first one used a SS/S/S strategy and the second one used a SS/SS/H strategy. They both finished 15 seconds behind the winner. Then another 5 cars on a 1 stop strategy using Hards and the third one who used a 2 stops strategy finished in P19.

As you can see, Hard was the dominant tyre again.
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medal 4776
5 years 200 days ago

why the medium and hard tires have the same wear? the hard being harder than the medium should not have less wear?
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medal 5289 CEO & CTO
5 years 200 days ago
Alessia


Thank you for replying. I would like for you to take a look at our race results: https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=19356367&tab=race

The winner used a S/H strategy, starting in P5, using Softs for 13 laps and Hards for 17 laps.
I finished in P2 using a H/H strategy, 17 laps for the first stint and 13 laps for the second stint. I finished 2.2 seconds behind the winner and I started in P14.
All those who finished from P1 to P11 used a 1 stop strategy, most of them used a H/H strategy and a few others used a S/H strategy.

I would say the number of pit stops seems to be a major factor here, more than the tyres. Those who made multiple pit stops struggled, and those who made 1 did well. The fastest guy was the only one to use Soft tyres from the start - so saying H is still dominant and only using HH works is not necessarily valid. Nearly everyone in the league went with H-H strategy, and the guy who won did S-H. There wasn't really a good mix of strategies to compare with here. Are all the managers the same level? Does the guy with SS usually win races or not?

Paperon

why the medium and hard tires have the same wear? the hard being harder than the medium should not have less wear?

If you are getting this information from practice laps, it can be deceptive. They do not include decimal wear rates. E.g. 1.6% and 2.4% may both show as "2%".
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medal 4929 Moderator
5 years 200 days ago
The medium has less wear, but you'd need one digit behind the point to see that, without it rounding puts them on the same value.

Edit: Too late.
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medal 5000
5 years 200 days ago
Just ran some tests with my practice in my 50% league, and it appears the Meds and Hards wear just as fast as usual.  We have a unwritten rule in elite that you must use two compounds unless it rains, and a one stop is almost always the best strategy for every track but monaco with med / hard wear rates never getting low enough to affect performance anyways.  Hards are still the prime tire for 50% races imo, its not the wear that is the problem but rather they need a bit of a tweak on the performance.  When they are consistently as quick or quicker than mediums and often the softs. 
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medal 5000
5 years 200 days ago
Dan
Super macio e macio agora por muito tempo, não há necessidade de usar nenhum pneu.

Os softwares podem correr 20 voltas nos grupos abaixo de 26 graus, mesmo em 100 de distancias, 2 em todas as pistas, sem mais estratégia, sem mais vantagem para os jogadores que correm para corridas, setando push para level 1 e você vai.

Você gosta do fato de tentar equilibrar os pneus, mas está errado, os pneus estão fora do seu alcance, e as opções para as ligas.

Simplesmente, os índices de pneus ao longo da temporada não são significativos.
Você também pode obter uma adivinhação de pessoas.

Não aumentar a durabilidade para começar, já que nos movemos para os treinos de inverno, será mais baixo, até que os remédios e os trabalhos duros não sejam usados durante o verão.

Você realmente tem que fazer, mas você realmente tem que jogar em ligas, isso é o caminho certo para se vestir e depurar?


 Eu concordo, as corridas serão mais interessantes


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medal 5366
5 years 200 days ago

Jack
Alessia


Thank you for replying. I would like for you to take a look at our race results: https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=19356367&tab=race

The winner used a S/H strategy, starting in P5, using Softs for 13 laps and Hards for 17 laps.
I finished in P2 using a H/H strategy, 17 laps for the first stint and 13 laps for the second stint. I finished 2.2 seconds behind the winner and I started in P14.
All those who finished from P1 to P11 used a 1 stop strategy, most of them used a H/H strategy and a few others used a S/H strategy.

I would say the number of pit stops seems to be a major factor here, more than the tyres. Those who made multiple pit stops struggled, and those who made 1 did well. The fastest guy was the only one to use Soft tyres from the start - so saying H is still dominant and only using HH works is not necessarily valid. Nearly everyone in the league went with H-H strategy, and the guy who won did S-H. There wasn't really a good mix of strategies to compare with here. Are all the managers the same level? Does the guy with SS usually win races or not?

Paperon

why the medium and hard tires have the same wear? the hard being harder than the medium should not have less wear?

If you are getting this information from practice laps, it can be deceptive. They do not include decimal wear rates. E.g. 1.6% and 2.4% may both show as "2%".



Yes he can win races when he actually attends, but he rarely attends the races so he doesn't win so often. But he's the hightest level manager in our league. The others are between level 15/17.

However, by saying the Hard tyre was the dominant tyre again I didn't mean the H/H won the race, but I meant there were H tyres oll over the place into the points anyway and those who used softer tyres finished out of the points even tho they started in the top positions. And one of them is surely a skilled manager, as he's battling for the Championship and is often winning races. And on another note, yeah the S/H won the race but started in P5, I started in P14 using H/H and finished 2nd only 2.2 seconds behind the winner. If we started closer I would of probably won the race on H/H. And I'm not saying this as a moan cause our league is very competitive and there currently are at least 6/7 managers who can win races. I'm just trying to explain what happened in our race.


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medal 5000
5 years 200 days ago

Jonathan
 Les courses de 20h ( heures francia) seront faites ce soir ou reportées à demain?



What?
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medal 5000
5 years 200 days ago
As I said earlier in another thread, tyre wear should be the same in different length races.

Now when one makes a point about his 50% races, another manager racing 100% races disagree with him.
And vice versa. Because they have a different experience.
Now when every manager makes a statement in forums about tyres, he should mention the length of races in his league.
This is weird and unrealistic as I've said.

Tyre wear should be the same in every type of races.
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