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medal 5838
6 years 101 days ago

Salvo
Dear Jack, I think that this revolution is a really good idea to change something in the game, but i can want propose you to eliminate this medium tyre... or better: Make the medium tyres like the actual hard tyres and implant a new tyre: the Ultrasoft.

I also would propose a greater thermal resistance for all tyres.... We drive often in very defensive pace... and isn't really good... we want more aggressive drive, this would allow to use right tyres in right circuits.


I support this opinion. 


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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago (edited 6 years 101 days ago)
The update has where there is only one thing that I could drive with the supersoft as long as in the past with the hard tire and that in Singapore at a stretch temperature of 27 degrees!
Please rework the tires otherwise everyone will drive on supersoft as well as on hard tires everyone knows that last as well as the hard ones!
or limited just a little bit of real system found the sets of tires per race! Teams that started on soft medium or hard tires had zero chance of racing in the front!
Teams that have made up for the best teams in the league this year have at least fallen further back from the distance due to the tire change in this race, which I do not like!
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago
this tyre update is no good you loose 20% tyre wear in 5 laps 
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago
Give it time guys to get used too. Looks like there up for fine tuning just needs to run its course to start with
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago
So far so good, I haven't noticed any unbalanced racing in the short time it's active. I think the tyre choise will become more realistic like in the actual tyre choise in F1. Someone mentioned a few posts above that neutral push level should be normal with soft tyres, I disagree with that. Soft tyres are to be handled with care.
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago

I noticed that tonight in the GP of Italy the soft tires were heated to the maximum even with minimal push, recording the same good times.It should not happen that too hot tires raise the lap times?
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago
Jack,

Thanks for updating something, people I think are missing the point that this is the first step in several changes planned, and using it to make suggestions on what they would change. 

In 100% league I am in I think this will atleast make people think more. As mentioned there appears a monopoly on H strategies, heading into the winter I think this will/should definitely lead to more diverse strategies. 

I look forward to seeing further developments in the coming months.

Frank 
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago (edited 6 years 101 days ago)
 I finished the supersoft pace test in Great Britain.
At 18C SS-SS-SS-SS-SS scored 1:19:16. In the previous race at 22C H-H-H-H scored 1:19:21. 

Both races car equal in the big 4. The supersoft run had +12 extra fuel economy (52 vs 40) which im not sure if it was 1 litre lighter car since in the supersoft run cars finished the stints with 0.8 litre remaining and the other race I cant see anymore (its before migrating). But seeing the differece is 0.05 in fuel per lap(on same tyre) so 12 x 0.05 = 0.6  most likely cars would just had finsihed stints with 0.2 left and not 0.8 ;]. So +12 fuel is not really an advantage.

The point is cars are more or less equal and in both cases they started in the front of the grid so its clean pace comparison.

From this results I think somewhere between 20C to 15C SS is becoming both best grid/first stint tyre and best pace tyre.
Above 20C it will start losing the pace to H because of too much overheating. (SS runs with 3/4 of the red covered at 18C by the end of the stint).

Its important to point out that to achieve this results the H tyre I heavily managed while the SS tyre I never moved the push level from 1 the whole race.
 
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago
Hi Jack! This is just a feedback to provide more info about the tyre balance, so you have more info to do the further balancing.

We just had a 100% race in Singapore in International Racing League (league id:4982). The Supersofts are really fast (the fact that it was Singapore may have played a part), and it proved quite durable. It took me 12 laps to wear it down to 44% remaining (my car's tyre economy is 75). The next fastest was actually the Hards. The Softs were about 0.2s slower than Hards (seems like the Softs' outright pace was more than offset by having to use a lower push level). The Mediums were too slow, their one-lap pace needs to decrease by around 0.33% (that's about 0.3s a lap faster if the laptime is 1m30s) in order to be on a similar race pace to Softs. The Supersofts' one-lap pace should increase by around 0.3% (that's 0.27s a lap slower if the laptime is 1m30s).

The values I suggested are probably a bit off but they should serve as good starting points.

In our Elite race, it started raining on lap 58/61, which spiced things up even further in an already exciting/chaotic race.
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago
Jack  it may have changed a little bit,   but hard hard is still way better then the reat for 50% races,  today i raced australia,  thats one off the races where ss s s has been fatser for the last 4 seasons,  but i still came in third with my hard hard 2cnd car.   And yes i know this is only the beginning 
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago
In our league, the only one who used a H/H strategy just won the Hungarian GP. He started in the very last positions: 31-32. And he finished 1-5. The only one using H/H strategy. And the Hungarian GP is the one with the lowest wear ratings after Monaco, so it should favourite softer tyres.

What's wrong with all this?
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago
Some of you may have read my thread about the dominant H/H strategy - https://igpmanager.com/forum-thread/14384

MJL a 50% league just had a race at Hungary.
Hungary is traditionally a track that suits the softer tyres, which made it one of the 2 or 3 races that H/H didn't win.

Guess what?
H/H won tonight...hmmmmm maybe the choice of having the option to enforce 2 compounds during a race is the only solution, since there's always going to be a dominant strategy?

I know it's a massive ball-ache Jack, but I think you'll be forever tweaking these darn tyres!

EDIT: I see Dea from my league has got in there before me!
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago

Dea
In our league, the only one who used a H/H strategy just won the Hungarian GP. He started in the very last positions: 31-32. And he finished 1-5. The only one using H/H strategy. And the Hungarian GP is the one with the lowest wear ratings after Monaco, so it should favourite softer tyres.

What's wrong with all this?


What's the distance? I just did few hours ago the same race at 75%, I won using 3 stops with SS, second driver 6 seconds behind using SS-S-S (2 stops), the one using hards was very slow.

It was in rookie tho, checking your reputation I guess yours was in elite, dunno how much that changes in terms of strategy since I don't have that experience.
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago
I want to say samething who nobody say.
Now is sommer end temperature is at high level. . 
In few days temperature will be lower and soft tires will be the most famous. .
My opinion. .
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago

Alex
I want to say samething who nobody say.
Now is sommer end temperature is at high level. . 
In few days temperature will be lower and soft tires will be the most famous. .
My opinion. .



Tonight the temperature in our race was 17° C. It wasn't high. And H/H won starting from P31. In the past, strategies with softer tyres won with even higher temps. It's not normal a H/H can win a 50% distance Hungarian GP in a competitive league filled with skilled managers. That never happened before in our league, not even with higher temps. And it's the MJL we're talking about, one of the most competitive leagues in the whole game, not a random league.
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago
The problem its the relation temperature/tires/push and not the duration of than.
We all gona do full S races now. But cant manage the push during laps. Its gona be boring!! 
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago

Jason
Hi Jack! This is just a feedback to provide more info about the tyre balance,

We just had a 100% race in Singapore in International Racing League (league id:4982). The Supersofts are really fast.


We just raced Singapore too, 75%; 2200GMT. it was heavy rain 3.3mm on track, using full wet tyres they were red hot on hard defending, that’s not right?

What part of Singapore were you racing at the same time as us to be on Supersofts lol..

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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago
I like the fact you are incorporating the feedback of users, so cheers to that! For me, I would like to see what's the impact of the change, but I already used my practice runs in the old setup. Can you reverse the practice rounds made in the old setup? 
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medal 5542 Community Manager
6 years 101 days ago

Casper
I like the fact you are incorporating the feedback of users, so cheers to that! For me, I would like to see what's the impact of the change, but I already used my practice runs in the old setup. Can you reverse the practice rounds made in the old setup? 


Done :)
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medal 5000
6 years 101 days ago

Der

Jason
Hi Jack! This is just a feedback to provide more info about the tyre balance,

We just had a 100% race in Singapore in International Racing League (league id:4982). The Supersofts are really fast.


We just raced Singapore too, 75%; 2200GMT. it was heavy rain 3.3mm on track, using full wet tyres they were red hot on hard defending, that’s not right?

What part of Singapore were you racing at the same time as us to be on Supersofts lol..


Our race began at 19:00UTC (GMT).

At 3.3mm, it's right on the cross-over between inters and wets. If you used inters, the tyre temperature would have been a lot cooler. Wets are designed for 5.0mm standing water. At 3.3mm, there isn't enough water to keep them cool.

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