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Car 2 is always quicker in qualifying

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Leo Yeo medal 5000
3 years 253 days ago
I still haven't seen any changes, I'm going to put my taller (1.87m) driver in my first car and see if things change 🤞
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dan ruglio medal 5000
3 years 253 days ago (Last edited by dan ruglio 3 years 253 days ago)
Starting the race now, 2nd and 20th. the car on 20th (1st car) is 1 lap lighter on fuel. So i dont think fuel has nothing to do with this issue.
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Gustavo Heiden medal 6155 Super Mod
3 years 253 days ago
Fuel still doesn't count guys. I hope it'll be considered one day...
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Leo Yeo medal 5000
3 years 251 days ago
After swapping around my drivers got some interesting results:
Pre-swap car 2 outqualifies car 1 in all races excl. wet ones
Post swap car 2 outqualifies car 1 in Canada BUT car 1 then outqualifies car 2 in the wet in Spain and in the dry in Brazil. Need more GPs to confirm this thoroughly, not ideal that my next five will be my last five ever! 😂
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Kevin Bissell medal 5001 Super Mod
3 years 247 days ago
I don't know what to make of this. Is it something that only affects some teams? For the last 14 consecutive races my two drivers have set IDENTICAL qualifying times.

Interesting that in 13 of these races driver #1 was ranked higher on the grid, but at Azerbaijan car #2 was ranked higher even though again they both set identical times.

Edit: It's not the team associated with my Mod account. It is this team JMY Racing
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Vinigano Zozir medal 5000
3 years 247 days ago
[There are many comments that are off-topic...]

@Kevin
Yes, your situation is a normal one. As I previously said, my drivers have set Identical qualifying times until the Day X, where they have begun to set always Different quali times, up to 6 tenths. What causes this? I really don't know, and it's weird. The fact that if you switch drivers the situation becomes the opposite (and so the difference of quali time DOES NOT depend on drivers) is a clear factor that there is something that is not working properly. I "debug" this account changing many championships and now in this account it's everything back to normality. But I have another account where I'm doing all the season with the same bug. Having the best car and starting 1-20 (first and last on the same compound or first with SS and the other driver on SS behind cars with S is not funny..At the end of the championship I will try to "debug" that account but I'm really fed up. No Serious Official answers (I know it's not your task, to be clear). 
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Nigel Mansell medal 5000
3 years 246 days ago

Kevin
I don't know what to make of this. Is it something that only affects some teams? For the last 14 consecutive races my two drivers have set IDENTICAL qualifying times.

Interesting that in 13 of these races driver #1 was ranked higher on the grid, but at Azerbaijan car #2 was ranked higher even though again they both set identical times.

Edit: It's not the team associated with my Mod account. It is this team JMY Racing


It dies I Kylie affect some teams or compounds. I do fine in qualifying on every compound except soft’s. I’m getting to the point of reversing my strategy to run mediums at the start. 

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dan ruglio medal 5000
3 years 242 days ago
Kevin: this is a real issue. 

¿Can we help with more data? 
I can post again all starting grids from where i left in the other post. But it is the same for every single race. 

Does anyone have a clue of what is going on? It is linked to the team, should i train new drivers.  

I'm racing a 2 tyres only rule (we can use just the 2 compounds available for the race) I was splitting before but with this rule if i split i go to the back of the grid.  Not splitting in the first race i started on SS in 4th & 24th.    

And as we don't know what is going on. Maybe some teams has this issue on both cars. I could be that those cars are specially faster than they should be or specially slower. 

Are your cars qualifying in a good position then falling down the order?
Are your cars qualifying in a bad position but then coming up fast?

You have the same bag but in both cars. :)
Pls help.
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Kevin Bissell medal 5001 Super Mod
3 years 242 days ago
Hi Dan.

I wasn't trying to be argumentative. Most of the managers posting on here are as experienced as I am so I have no doubt that something is happening, but I'm not currently experiencing any problems so I don't know what to suggest. 

It's now been 16 consecutive races that my drivers have set identical qualifying times and most of the time it's towards the sharp end of the grid. The cars are also fast in the race, the last two races I have won and in one of them the only thing that prevented me from taking a 1-2 was my poor race management. There are a number of very experienced and strong managers in the league, so I'm not qualifying well and getting good results in an uncompetitive league.

You are most likely aware I'm just a mod so providing me with data is going to achieve nothing. However, you are welcome to post the data on this thread and what I will do is bring this thread to the attention of José and the Devs. I'm pretty sure José has already read it because he has eyes everywhere but I will ask him to provide an official response.

Unfortunately, much as I'd like to help there is nothing more I can do.
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Joao Ninja medal 5000
3 years 242 days ago
OMG...

Last season I joined https://igpmanager.com/app/p=league&id=77452&tab=info with this account.

I did all the season with the bug. Changed, switched drivers but same problem. Now I write here the two worst quali.

Russia 1-20: https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=28745086&tab=qualifying
Abu Dhabi: 1-BEHIND harder compound.. https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=28745083&tab=qualifying

Then at the end of the season I left, I did one race in a 1 car league. Now the account is in a 2 cars league and... times are identical now in quali. (To prove that it wasn't normal that times were different) 

So, I joined the same championship with https://igpmanager.com/app/d=profile&user=513805&tab=overview since I was sure lap times would have been identical like in the previous races done by that account. But no...same bug at the first race...Now I've joined the league with the account I'm writing with... But it's the third attempt.

It's really frustrating... I just want to compete like all the others...

N.B. All the cars were always repaired and with the same settings
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Nicola Algeri medal 5000
3 years 242 days ago
If you find it useful to know in a test championship, with riders all of the same height, during the first part of the season there was a team that always did different times while the other teams always did the same time, so I removed the team who always did different times and now another team, which before always did the same time, makes different times ...
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Antonio Ascari medal 5001
3 years 242 days ago
I’m running a small test league of my own. Cars are equal, drivers are equal, quali never is. Two car league but never the same time for drivers in the same team.

My main account though, equal drivers, equal quali times. Always. since driver errors were eliminated that is.
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Nigel Mansell medal 5000
3 years 242 days ago
I've just leveled up to 17. So I've changed my TD & CD. It may help :/ I'll post back with the results today.
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Gustavo Heiden medal 6155 Super Mod
3 years 241 days ago
So, accounts that have played a 1-car League are cursed once they join a 2-car League.

You probably found the root cause of this issue João...
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Nigel Mansell medal 5000
3 years 241 days ago
I had the same. Qualified 17th again.
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Cole Trickle medal 5000
3 years 241 days ago
I have never been to a 1-car-league. But my account is a rather old one.
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Frank Thomas medal 5000 Moderator
3 years 241 days ago
Unfortunately it's not that easy as Pedros first account joined another 2car league and all is fine (at least both drivers doing the same times that is), while his 2nd account in the original league has the problem. Also Dan Ruglio has the problem and none of the two leagues the team was in is a 1car league. I'm afraid back to square one, except perhaps it's something with the leagues.

Edit: OK, that's two bugged without 1car history now. Was a good theory, though.
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Joao Ninja medal 5000
3 years 241 days ago
Gustavo
So, accounts that have played a 1-car League are cursed once they join a 2-car League.

You probably found the root cause of this issue João...


But I read that Vinigano started having the issue during the season..

But Joining a 1 car league also solved the issue for nick brown. (in my comment I said that I used 1 car league to solve the issue, sorry If I explained my actions in a bad way) Anyway, you are saying that maybe joining a 1 car league is the cause. Mmm It could explain how Joao Pedro has the issue. 

But anyway It coudn't explain the problem affected by Vinigano... and maybe also Algeri's one. 

Anyway, I appreciate our efforts in trying to understand better the bug.
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Nigel Mansell medal 5000
3 years 241 days ago
Same hear. First part of last season. Never been in a two car league.
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Gustavo Heiden medal 6155 Super Mod
3 years 241 days ago
Are there cases of people that rejoined League and still got different qualifying times ?

@Dean, I don't think this thread is about your issue (single car having slow qualifying times), we are trying to understand why identical drivers achieve different qualifying times in 2-car Leagues.
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