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Kevin Bissell Super Mod
3 years 229 days ago

Hi Juanito.

I just double checked and I didn't say that ideal setup was faster. I asked the question... "What makes you think ideal setup isn't the fastest?"

The thread was discussing practice lap times to determine the best set up and as I pointed out even if you use the same setup and tyres for all five laps the practice times vary so widely (because driver errors are enabled) that they cannot be relied upon to determine the optimum setup.

However, I still believe that from my experience, during a race a driver performs better with his personal "ideal settings". But you are correct that now the devs have turned off driver errors it allows us to disregard this as a reason for differences in qualifying.

For information:
Tonight for the 21st consecutive race my two drivers in "Premier International Racing" league set identical qualifying times. This is the team Skid Marks Junior
The two drivers are the same height (hence same set up), same age, same gender etc.

Nathaniel Andrews
3 years 229 days ago

I am having the same problems as well.

Richard Herman
3 years 229 days ago

I don't think setup is the issue. Both of my drivers use the same ideal setup, but usually are far apart in qualifying (they used to have pretty much the same times, but that suddenly changed one off-season). I think the driver in car 1 might have better race pace, because last season my car 1 driver gained positions from qualifying in literally every race. Both have pretty much the same stats (only difference is experience). I am training a new driver, so I will eventually give updates on if that changes literally anything at all.

For wet races, Car 1 isn't faster for me. Here is a rain race from last season:

Juanito Jones
3 years 229 days ago (Last edited by Juanito Jones 3 years 229 days ago)

Kevin

I just double checked and I didn't say that ideal setup was faster. I asked the question... "What makes you think ideal setup isn't the fastest?"

The thread was discussing practice lap times to determine the best set up and as I pointed out even if you use the same setup and tyres for all five laps the practice times vary so widely (because driver errors are enabled) that they cannot be relied upon to determine the optimum setup.

I know you didn't said it, but you suggested that ideal setups were faster even not looking like it in Practice (which means nothing). Anyway, I just tested Gustavo's theory and it went the opposite way to him in Belgium.
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Gustavo Heiden Super Mod
3 years 229 days ago

But their gaps were very close.

** Daily report **
My driver using "wrong" setup was again faster than the other using "perfect" setup.

Juanito Jones
3 years 229 days ago

Gustavo

But their gaps were very close.

** Daily report **
My driver using "wrong" setup was again faster than the other using "perfect" setup.

I think you are going to start a rush for shorter drivers opposite to what it was before 🙃

Gustavo Heiden Super Mod
3 years 229 days ago (Last edited by Gustavo Heiden 3 years 229 days ago)

I never believed that height had an effect in drivers results. In this team I always use two drivers with high height difference.

Leo Yeo
3 years 228 days ago

We need to test this properly and driver errors in practice aren't helping at all! If disabling them (AT LEAST temporarily) hasn't been brought up to the devs already I feel it should.

Gustavo Heiden Super Mod
3 years 228 days ago

I Agree. I'll foward your suggestion to devs.

Richard Herman
3 years 228 days ago

This race has car 2 ahead by 0.166 seconds. It was only 6 positions this race because only the top 11 (which included both of my drivers) started on SS.

Juanito Jones
3 years 228 days ago

Again I got the opposite of you Gustavo. I went for 30-20 (ideal setup for a driver with 1.9m) for Souza in car 2 to see if it could improve and again it was way slower than the ideal setup 36-20 in car 1 for Campos. It could have been even worse if there wasn't so many SS in Australia (raceid 28948021).

Gustavo Heiden Super Mod
3 years 228 days ago

Today I had an internet shortage, so my drivers went default setup on new engines (50/50).

Again, taller driver (who is car #1) was out-qualified by the shorter (-0.045s).

Richard Herman
3 years 227 days ago

Wet race today. Car 2 is faster by 0.4. 6 positions between them.

Cole Trickle
3 years 227 days ago

@Gustavo: my drivers are 1.68m and 1.69m. They demand same setup. Yet car 2 is faster, no matter if manned with D1 or D2. See post #1 of this thread.

Maybe small and tall drivers and their setup demands (and if they lead to best possible quali) is a separate problem?

Gustavo Heiden Super Mod
3 years 227 days ago

Today's daily report: (Remember they are using taller driver setup)

Driver #1 (1.89m) 1:14.653
Driver #2 (1.65m) 1:14.675

So, for the very first time smaller driver (who is also using wrong setup) did a slower lap.

@Cole, I hope you see my point: I'm doing that in order to present data to help understanding the 2nd car bug and also the same drivers doing different laps despite the fact driving mistakes are turned off.
If you want me to stop that and open another thread, please tell me.

Richard Herman
3 years 226 days ago

Car 2 was faster again. 0.115 second and 9 position difference.

Richard Herman
3 years 225 days ago

Only a 0.2 second difference this time, but 9 positions between the drivers

Gustavo Heiden Super Mod
3 years 225 days ago (Last edited by Gustavo Heiden 3 years 225 days ago)

I forgot to write about last race.

Driver #1 (1.89m) 1:38.976
Driver #2 (1.65m) 1:38.912

Again, wrong setup faster. It granted 5 positions ahead team-mate.

*EDIT* For today's race (17/09):

Driver #1 (1.89m) 1:20.114
Driver #2 (1.65m) 1:20.137

Juanito Jones
3 years 225 days ago

I think you switched your driver's times Gustavo.

Anyway, same gap as yours and 20 places deficit for car 2 on Mexico. To aggravate things more: it was outqualifyed by a lvl 10 driver with 10 in driving abilities and his stronger teammate didn't even managed to outqualify my main driver!

C'mon, this is getting ridiculous now! And it can't be said that my car development is poor when one of my drivers qualifyed in 5th, 0.005s behind the pole sitter! It's literally a nightmare to keep switching between cars with one at the beginning of the straight while the other is already doing the next couple of turns and being almost a sector ahead all race long.

Richard Herman
3 years 225 days ago

Juanito

I think you switched your driver's times Gustavo.

Anyway, same gap as yours and 20 places deficit for car 2 on Mexico. To aggravate things more: it was outqualifyed by a lvl 10 driver with 10 in driving abilities and his stronger teammate didn't even managed to outqualify my main driver!

C'mon, this is getting ridiculous now! And it can't be said that my car development is poor when one of my drivers qualifyed in 5th, 0.005s behind the pole sitter! It's literally a nightmare to keep switching between cars with one at the beginning of the straight while the other is already doing the next couple of turns and being almost a sector ahead all race long.

Make this happen to everyone or make it happen to no one. Whatever is faster.

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