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medal 5002 Super Mod
4 years 222 days ago
Hi Alessandro
I agree. See Bastian's suggestion in this thread from 6 months ago... Qulaifying with first stint fuel load
Also as in my response to Bastian, I think this should also be accompanied by a change to pit stops so that the time lost in the pit stop is proportional to the quantity fuel added.
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medal 5000
4 years 222 days ago

Kevin
Hi Alessandro
I agree. See Bastian's suggestion in this thread from 6 months ago... Qulaifying with first stint fuel load
Also as in my response to Bastian, I think this should also be accompanied by a change to pit stops so that the time lost in the pit stop is proportional to the quantity fuel added.



Again two good suggestions which makes me think the Devs should have a group of high level/high rep managers by now to constantly exchange ideas with and work out what's best to improve the game for players of all levels and tiers. After all it's us who have a vast understanding of how the game works and which changes are needed to improve everyones experience playing the game.
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medal 5000
4 years 221 days ago



Is this not the case now?
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medal 5000
4 years 221 days ago
Perhaps the Qualifying could be changed so there is 60 minutes about 6 to 12 hours prior to race start for managers to login and send their drivers out there with other cars on track. With Slip streaming and blocking changing the final qualifying times.
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medal 5000
4 years 221 days ago (Last edited by Vance Sim 4 years 221 days ago)
While I like many want a change in the qualy system, I for one agree with Jack that having cars qualify with race fuel isn't the solution. While it makes qualy less random which is one of the solutions we're seeking with any new qualy system, it would bring about an equally bad problem which is making qualy too predictable, as it'll be too easy to judge strategy by seeing where everyone qualifies, rather than add to any sort of smart strategy gameplay.

My proposed solution for now which would give players a greater sense that their choices matter instead of relying on random chance would be to introduce live qualifying, open from any time between the previous race to the next, with managers given the option to qualify their cars manually, controlling their cars on the live viewer, or for the AI to do it for them as is the case now. To make conditions as equal as possible, the track conditions could be "frozen" durig the entire qualy, with only your own team's cars on the track. This would be a step towards making conditions equal for all as well as to ensure no on-track collusion between managers. You could even make it so DRS is disabled in qualy or only one car can qualy at the time, to remove any "slipstreaming" tactics that while are entertaining to watch, like IRL are usually not much fun for the drivers or teams. Traffic in qualy is often seen as a problem in any racing series, watching Le Mans qualy is really quite something. Actually KERS use in iGP qualy may be a problem with different teams having different technology levels, benefiting higher leveled teams. So if we want KERS or boost to be kept for qualy it should be equal for all only in qualy, just like in quick races.

During the qualy timeframe players would also be able to check their current qualy position relative to other managers who have qualified, better simulating actual qualifying where teams have an eye out for other teams. With 5 qualy laps per car, managers would be able to plan their qualy session as they best see fit while referencing the performance of their competitors. The only thing is this might reveal to others your choice of initial starting tyre, but I know some clever managers would be able to play this psychologically and tactically to their advantage. If only your best qualy lap counts, players have to carefully plan what tyres to run during their qualy attempts, and how to react to other managers' times.

Even if this is not the best choice, at least something to give players control while having a fun and dynamic strategic element would be a good step forward in my view.
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medal 5013
4 years 221 days ago
@Nik, what difference does having a live viewer make if everyone is just going to use full push, all of their kers and end up with another randomly generated lap by the game? That's just what is qually now but with 1 more button to press. Personally I do not believe that's worth the extra strain on iGP's resources.

The viewing of other people's strategies before the race is interesting, but would have the same effect without a live viewer and could instead be done by turning practice into qually. Thus far less strain would be put on the servers, lockdown could actually be 5 mins pre race instead of 10 and we get all of the benefits of an entire day of qually.
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medal 5000
4 years 221 days ago
You have an out lap followed by a qualy lap; I know it sounds easy to maybe put PL1 for your out lap then PL5 for your hot lap, but I'm very sure that your tyre temps when you push also affects pace, so if tyres are a bit cold even when they're in the black, you won't be getting the best laps. I may be mistaken on this but I'm quite sure there's a difference, though I only have my personal observations to show for it. And if the game gives everyone like level 10 KERS for qualy then where and when you deploy boost on your hot lap can make some difference in the lap times. 

That said even if we don't have the live viewer for qualy, at least giving us 5 qualy laps like practice may make managers feel like they have more chances with their qualy. Personally I still think it relies on the rng too much, but the added strategic play of being able to view your qualy laps in relation to other managers would still be there.
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medal 5000
4 years 221 days ago
+1 agree with main post
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medal 4964
4 years 221 days ago
The race qualifications must change, I think many of the options presented here are fine ... if you doubt the option live and without kers or drs it seems to me that it would be the best idea ... also the idea of qualifying with the fuel of the first stint I think it is a great option ... what is not viable and every day disappoints me more, are the current qualifications ... we usually compare the car managers of the league, and cars with 20/25 points less in the big 4 qualify for in front of me ... it's something that I can't understand ... even a manager who joined the league late, arrived in Japan with 95 aerodynamics and 3 reliability and left 3rd with soft ones ... they are situations that I can't understand and no doubt they should be fixed soon ..
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medal 5000
4 years 212 days ago
Amazing, isn't it? 
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medal 4964
4 years 212 days ago

AK
Amazing, isn't it? 



In Abu Dhabi, a manager in my league took the pole of a teammate with 46 points less design ... they used exactly the same strategy but their car was much lower ... the better car you have, it seems that worse results in the qualification.  .is something incredible but I have it checked ...
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medal 5000
4 years 197 days ago
Ok.  Raised this 6 months ago and the situation wasn't good.  We got an answer.  Fast forward 6 months and the levels of managers has increased and the problem is 100 times worse.  There has to be a change.  Without it people will leave.

There has to be a change to qualifying with race fuel.  I don't buy that this is worse.  If I want to qualify ahead of my close competition I can load the first stint lighter.  A driver holding a massive train because they are going two extra laps extra is stupid.   You then have to waste Kers to get past.  this leaves the higher qualifying team in a massive advantage.  

If we qualify with the load of the first stint this disappears.  The heavier car get the extra laps with a lighter car and clear track whilst earlier cars pitting will face traffic and a heavier car.

It has to change before before more people leave.

And to prempt the reply that says everything is fine in their league and they win Monaco from last place......your league is not competitive.  Try a league with nearly everyone is level 20.  Don't punish top teams as people will leave.

it has to change 
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medal 5000
4 years 196 days ago
it has become embarrassing with the championships at 19 and 20 races. The development of the car is almost totally useless.

I hope there will soon be 14-15 races to remedy the problems recently generated.

has become devoid of strategies, just luck ... all because the administrator likes the Malaysian GP lol
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medal 5000
4 years 196 days ago

Andrea
it has become embarrassing with the championships at 19 and 20 races. The development of the car is almost totally useless.

I hope there will soon be 14-15 races to remedy the problems recently generated.

has become devoid of strategies, just luck ... all because the administrator likes the Malaysian GP lol



However, the fact is we are all affected by it. there isn't any disadvantage or advantage for that matter.
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medal 5000
4 years 195 days ago
I think either race fuel load should be taken into consideration for quali or allow no refuelling like in f1 the current quali system doesn't work 
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medal 5000
4 years 194 days ago
The people who will be disadvantaged at the start of the season are the ones that kept one CD for the entire previous season.
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medal 5000
4 years 194 days ago
Ottima idea
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medal 4964
4 years 194 days ago
https://igpmanager.com/forum-thread/27703

Good morning, this topic is being addressed by Jack Basford on this link ... if you have something to comment, I think it's better to do it here ... Greetings
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medal 5142
4 years 188 days ago
Qualify with full fuel loads, decide yourself how much fuel then use your PL to determine what engine mode u are using, higher PL = higher fuel usage etc
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medal 5000
4 years 187 days ago
I'm sorry if this was already suggested but I didn't want to read over 200 days of text. The biggest problem sounds like to me is the randomness of a one lap qualifying session.  What abot a selection of laps chosen by the manager for their drivers, but since in real F1 they use the same tires they qualified with to start, to my understanding as I'm still new to F1 and learning, the same goes here. Chose 4 laps to qualify and you use 4 laps of your starting tires.
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