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Alessandro Bonifacivs medal 5000
4 years 190 days ago

Joao
Yes, you are saying the same thing. Anyway, I saw in the last races of my last championship that It was always the same id to begin the qualy, exactly as before. 

Thx Joao, exactly what I was trying to say 



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Gustavo Heiden medal 6770 Super Mod
4 years 188 days ago
I haven't described any exit order, I'm asking what you tried to mean with this expression.
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Toto Wolff medal 5142
4 years 188 days ago
How do u find out if ur running old game or new game, as really cant remember when I started playing
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Joao ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ medal 5000
4 years 188 days ago
Gustavo
I haven't described any exit order, I'm asking what you tried to mean with this expression.



1st driver exits from the pit, does qualy lap and then boxbox, 2nd driver exits from the pit, does qualy lap and then boxbox etc. It's only the imagination of how the code works in the reality. Each time the code runs to simulate a qualy lap is like a driver that does like I've just described(or something like that I think).
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Ferrari Admin medal 5002
4 years 188 days ago
some news?

only a pole last season and 6 in the last 77 races; the current qualifications system is obsolete.
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Lucas Senna medal 5000
4 years 187 days ago
Hi....unfortunately nothing has changed, everything remains the same, with the same grid problems, with teams favored and disadvantaged always
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Gaetano Lombardo medal 5000
4 years 186 days ago
But are qualifications like quick races? Is it possible that in qualifying the level of the car and the driver are the same for everyone? In qualifying I often start behind managers with inferior cars and clearly inferior drivers (even in driving skills), How is it possible?
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Chris 'Iceman' Tones medal 5592
4 years 186 days ago

Gaetano
But are qualifications like quick races? Is it possible that in qualifying the level of the car and the driver are the same for everyone? In qualifying I often start behind managers with inferior cars and clearly inferior drivers (even in driving skills), How is it possible?


I typically find that the first few races of a new season i'm always behind in qualifying compared to lower lvl managers (especially after winning or coming in top 3 of championship) due to a larger amount of car stats being lost but come closer to the top, or qualify mid to low order but the times are in hundredths of a second, when cars stats become closer. 
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Alessandro Bonifacivs medal 5000
4 years 186 days ago (Last edited by Alessandro Bonifacivs 4 years 186 days ago)
Joao
Gustavo
I haven't described any exit order, I'm asking what you tried to mean with this expression.



1st driver exits from the pit, does qualy lap and then boxbox, 2nd driver exits from the pit, does qualy lap and then boxbox etc. It's only the imagination of how the code works in the reality. Each time the code runs to simulate a qualy lap is like a driver that does like I've just described(or something like that I think).


Sorry Gustavo but I cannot understand what is your problem with my post. And Joao explained exactly what I was trying to say. 
I wrote "I mean the order in which cars exit from the pit lane (out lap) in order to do their quali lap". Also Jack told us that each car has the fuel in order to do three laps (out lap - quali lap - in lap). So, I assume that a driver has to exit from the pit-lane to do a timed lap.
But I think that we have to focus on the only important thing:
the order in which the teams get on track in qualifying has remained unchanged.
Why?
But probably we'll have the Circuit of Santiago de Compostela before having an answer 😜
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Frank Thomas medal 4855 Moderator
4 years 185 days ago (Last edited by Frank Thomas 4 years 185 days ago)
I now wonder how the fuel is calculated for those 3 laps. Is it fixed to 3 laps from finish line to finish line or is there a chance that pit location or such might mess things up, possibly giving some cars an extra litre, or some cars like the number 1 an extra lap of fuel even (as some differences described here in the thread can't be just the weight of one single litre)?

Also reading about actually doing the in lap I'm now wondering about tyre temperature, because 2 laps on medium push isn't the best way to treat super softs on some tracks, though that one should at least affect everyone about the same.

Though if Qualifying laps are as completely mixed up as my Training laps today then wild results are to be expected, however that wouldn't explain why certain numbers or teams have always booked bad luck, just gaps in between the own drivers.
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Gustavo Heiden medal 6770 Super Mod
4 years 185 days ago
Alessandro
the order in which the teams get on track in qualifying has remained unchanged.

We have to believe in Jack's word, if he says it's now random, it is random.



Frank now brought a very interesting question how is the fuel calculated for those 3 laps ?

Then, pit stop order should also be randomised in order to see that effect on qualifying laps
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Alessandro Bonifacivs medal 5000
4 years 185 days ago

Gustavo
Alessandro
the order in which the teams get on track in qualifying has remained unchanged.

We have to believe in Jack's word, if he says it's now random, it is random.



Frank now brought a very interesting question how is the fuel calculated for those 3 laps ?

Then, pit stop order should also be randomised in order to see that effect on qualifying laps


Yes, we have to believe in Jack but refreshing the page during the Quali it shows the same order as before...

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Gustavo Heiden medal 6770 Super Mod
4 years 185 days ago
hmmmm   I know you can see qualifying "in progress", but that's something I never do.
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Eduardo Kurten Bittencourt medal 5000
4 years 180 days ago
Very interesting.

I started a short time ago, but I was curious, since in my league there are also questions of this kind. I did an analysis with a small sample, and the only difference between maximized teams, top drivers, same type of tires, is the STAFF. Apparently who uses doctor talent 1 (lower cost), always falls behind who uses doctor 18,19 etc.

I think the qualify takes into consideration the rating of the 3 STAFF members. 

So for qualify:

-Driver Rating
-Team desing
-Staff rating

Could anyone look into your leagues too?

Thanks, and I'm sorry if that made no sense. Again, i did with a small sample.
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Matteo Capriotti medal 5000
4 years 179 days ago

Eduardo
Very interesting.

I started a short time ago, but I was curious, since in my league there are also questions of this kind. I did an analysis with a small sample, and the only difference between maximized teams, top drivers, same type of tires, is the STAFF. Apparently who uses doctor talent 1 (lower cost), always falls behind who uses doctor 18,19 etc.

I think the qualify takes into consideration the rating of the 3 STAFF members. 

So for qualify:

-Driver Rating
-Team desing
-Staff rating

Could anyone look into your leagues too?

Thanks, and I'm sorry if that made no sense. Again, i did with a small sample.



I disagree. In my league (and in many others) top 2 players have level 2 half star doctor and usually stay on top of the qualy 
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Eduardo Kurten Bittencourt medal 5000
4 years 179 days ago
I look your last qualify (hungrie) and proves what i said.

The 1st used SS ok, but the rest used S tyres.

From 2nd and 11th have only one guy who have a DR Low level (7th) and the others 9 have DR 17+. 12th and behind have pratically only teams with low level DR.
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Alessandro Bonifacivs medal 5000
4 years 172 days ago

Eduardo
I look your last qualify (hungrie) and proves what i said.

The 1st used SS ok, but the rest used S tyres.

From 2nd and 11th have only one guy who have a DR Low level (7th) and the others 9 have DR 17+. 12th and behind have pratically only teams with low level DR.


Hello, I have tried the Doctor improvement with another account but unfortunately this does not seem to have any impact

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Gustavo Heiden medal 6770 Super Mod
4 years 171 days ago
Why would a better doctor help qualifying time ?

If the race simulator was considering our staff, race pace would have been affected as well.
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Chris Py medal 5000
4 years 169 days ago
Perhaps I missed it somewhere in this thread but does your FE matter for qualify? Since you are loaded with 3 laps of fuel (or 2 laps when you are on your actual hot lap), that could make for quite a significant difference in lap times.

Or does all managers use the same FE value for quali?
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Gert Rose medal 6070 Super Mod
4 years 169 days ago
Yep, you missed that :)
It's on page 4 of this thread, read this post from Jack.
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