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James Greer medal 5000
5 years 224 days ago
I wouldn't be so sure about Soft dominating just yet. Just finished Abu Dhabi and the guy that had Softs was losing time to me on Hards. Same old story as the race goes on the tyres get hotter & hotter.  
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Gary Collyer medal 5114
5 years 224 days ago
softs dominate 50% races.
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Phill Ward medal 5000
5 years 224 days ago
The tyre change has ruined this game 
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Kevin Bissell medal 5003
5 years 224 days ago

Phill
The tyre change has ruined this game 



Sorry but I don't agree with this at all. If nothing else it has shaken things up so the newer teams have an opportunity to mix it with established teams and their years of data. Many different strategies now appear to be very similar in overall race time.

The only observation I have with the current tyre performance in 50% races is that the SS don't appear to have a use. They are not sufficiently faster than the softs to compensate for their high wear rate. But maybe as temperatures get down to below 10 degrees they will begin to appear.
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Gert Rose medal 5585 Super Mod
5 years 224 days ago

Kevin
The only observation I have with the current tyre performance in 50% races is that the SS don't appear to have a use. They are not sufficiently faster than the softs to compensate for their high wear rate.


I have that exact same observation in my 50% league. 

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Adam Murphy medal 5000
5 years 224 days ago
The improvements have now mean all races are SS and S.  THAT SAID THAT IS MORE REALISTIC.  Also there are loads more tactics than nefore
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Jack Basford medal 5073 CEO & CTO
5 years 223 days ago
Regarding tyres, here is what I am considering next, which will hopefully be the final change:


  • Maks Softs slightly slower

  • Make Hards slightly faster

  • Scale wear at 100% duration to the level currently used on 75% duration races



This should make SS and H more competitive with the S tyres at 50%, and open up more options in 75% - 100% duration races.

Thoughts?
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Salvo Ashikari medal 5000
5 years 223 days ago
I think that we had a step evolotion too big... We passed from an Hard Tyres monologe to a SuperSoft Tyres.. I Think that the SS tyres must have a really short life.. now they can make 10 or more laps in fastest circuit... and this is not realistic.
I suggest:
Set a temperature range in which a tyre can work.. example:
ss work in 0-15°
s work in 15-25°
m work in 25-35°
h work in 35 and more degrees....
With "Work" I mean that you can drive them in a balanced way. If you use a ss rubber with 25 degrees the tyres will overheat constantly, over 25 the Tyres will last very little even turning in very defensive mode.
Then the variable for Tyres consumption will depend on the angle of the wing. The more you have, the less they will heat up the tires, this is to balance circuits and use the correct tyres in the correct circuits.

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Marcel Smid medal 5000
5 years 223 days ago
Hi Jack,

I think that's a good idea.
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Kevin Bissell medal 5003
5 years 223 days ago
@Salvo. When you say SS domination I assume you must run 100% race distance because in 50%, as I said in my post above, the SS don't appear to be very good. If jack scales the wear to 75% race distance this should stop them lasting so long in 100% races.

@Jack. If you make softs slightly slower, in terms of one lap pace, they'll be very close to mediums. Last night in China in MJL elite three stints on softs and two stints on mediums were almost identical in terms of overall race time. It was so close that the difference may well have been down the winner catching a backmarker DRS.

IMO for 50% race distance I think we could do with another month or two to see if the lower European winter temperatures bring the SS into play before tweaking the tyres again. But you're the boss so whatever you do we'll all need to work out how to deal with it.
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Peter Man medal 5000
5 years 223 days ago
Hi Jack

I think scaling 100% distances races to x0.75 could be better.

With the current 75% distance scale (x0.666), Soft tyres reach 48.8% Tyre in a 15 lap stint/60 lap race, and reach the race pace 'crossover' between tyre compounds, 40.0% tyre, after 19 laps/60 lap race, so would still easily be the dominant tyre of choice at 100% distance, even with a slightly slowed down Soft tyre.

x0.75 scaling would get Softs to hit 50% cliff at around 13 laps/60 lap race, and the 40.0% 'crossover' at 17 laps/60 laps, bringing the Medium (and Hard tyre) back into play.

Scaling should be the first thing to finalise. When that is set, then the tyre deltas can be adjusted accordingly.
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James Greer medal 5000
5 years 223 days ago (edited 5 years 223 days ago)
Jack
Regarding tyres, here is what I am considering next, which will hopefully be the final change:


  • Maks Softs slightly slower

  • Make Hards slightly faster

  • Scale wear at 100% duration to the level currently used on 75% duration races



This should make SS and H more competitive with the S tyres at 50%, and open up more options in 75% - 100% duration races.

Thoughts?



My thoughts are we really needed to see races at different temps before making more changes. 15c 17c 19c sort of leans towards the softer compounds. The same race at a higher temp should bring in the harder compounds, the same way Abu Dhabi works, 4lap old H versus new S. H tyre was able to pull away from the S as they where starting to overheat.

Edit: If you are increasing wear. Keep in mind M & H needs increased along with SS & S. 
22 laps H is 67% health


18 lap M is 67% health
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Death Man medal 5000
5 years 223 days ago

Peter
Hi Jack

I think scaling 100% distances races to x0.75 could be better.

With the current 75% distance scale (x0.666), Soft tyres reach 48.8% Tyre in a 15 lap stint/60 lap race, and reach the race pace 'crossover' between tyre compounds, 40.0% tyre, after 19 laps/60 lap race, so would still easily be the dominant tyre of choice at 100% distance, even with a slightly slowed down Soft tyre.

x0.75 scaling would get Softs to hit 50% cliff at around 13 laps/60 lap race, and the 40.0% 'crossover' at 17 laps/60 laps, bringing the Medium (and Hard tyre) back into play.

Scaling should be the first thing to finalise. When that is set, then the tyre deltas can be adjusted accordingly.



I think this idea is very good.
x0.75 scaling would be the Soft a bit worse than medium and hard tyres, so M and H tyres could be a bit more used again.


Moreover, the scaling in the 75% duration races, should be increase a little, such a x0.8 or x0.85 to make different strategies because in many races the strategy is S-S-S, as the others are not so useful.
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Jack Basford medal 5073 CEO & CTO
5 years 223 days ago
We hope the next change will be the last one needed for a while, but it doesn't have to be. If for any reason there are still gripes after the next update (which is likely to be something along the lines I suggested above) then we could do further, smaller tweaks beyond that.

Thinking aloud, we could even make seasonal changes, with settings for winter and summer, rather than trying to strike a perfect "one-size-fits-all" balance all year round. Most people seemed to enjoy the challenge of the recent changes, so perhaps keeping people on their toes year round would add some spice to the racing.

Salvo
I suggest: Set a temperature range in which a tyre can work

It's not a possibility right now for technical reasons. We have removed these technical limitations in future versions of the app, with the intention of opening that possibility, but until everyone has upgraded to a version beyond that, we can't roll out an update for it. I have explained this elsewhere, earlier in this thread, I think.
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Grzesiek Czubak medal 5000
5 years 223 days ago
I drive from a distance of 50% and I think that changes in tires are interesting and more realistic. S and M tires are now effective, just like in the real F1 world.

A great job for you Jack and the iGP team. Greetings
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James Greer medal 5000
5 years 223 days ago
The whole issue with tyres was people where using H for 15 laps instead of M and the max laps S could do was 9 laps. Now S can do 15 laps and it's throwing people off their game. lol 
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Matsumoto Daisuke medal 5000
5 years 223 days ago (edited 5 years 223 days ago)
hi
this tyre change is not good, now the soft is the too dominate, overheating soft is better than in good condition hard, almost 40celsius and the soft is winner, its very hot, not cold
the ss and s is good in low temperature 40 is evrithing but not low
this is not good game anymore
anyway the freeze evry 5 laps is here yet, in evry device, in lan in wifi too, deleted the web trash, restart computer, usin the neighboor wifi, the freeze is back and back again, pls change the potates server, and not the tires, chh
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Ben Cabral medal 4965
5 years 223 days ago

Jack
Regarding tyres, here is what I am considering next, which will hopefully be the final change:


  • Maks Softs slightly slower

  • Make Hards slightly faster

  • Scale wear at 100% duration to the level currently used on 75% duration races



This should make SS and H more competitive with the S tyres at 50%, and open up more options in 75% - 100% duration races.

Thoughts?


@jack 


Please do something regarding the H tires in 50% races, they are still dominant over the Softs.
In a typical race like Australia (at 9c temp) Hards are still faster after 8 laps running over the Softs. That is unrealistic and turning strategies with SS and S completely useless even on a could track.

Also, can something be done in order to force the use of more than One tire compound per race?

I like the changes done so far, but more is needed so push managers to think more in terms of strategy instead of the regular H/H. 
Thanls
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James Greer medal 5000
5 years 223 days ago

Matsumoto
hi
this tyre change is not good, now the soft is the too dominate, overheating soft is better than in good condition hard, almost 40celsius and the soft is winner, its very hot, not cold
the ss and s is good in low temperature 40 is evrithing but not low
this is not good game anymore
anyway the freeze evry 5 laps is here yet, in evry device, in lan in wifi too, deleted the web trash, restart computer, usin the neighboor wifi, the freeze is back and back again, pls change the potates server, and not the tires, chh



But H dominating in Bahrain was unrealistic. It's a SS,S & M Track. Soft overheating on PL1 takes you to M PL2 if they are overheating drop the M to PL1 
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Dan Tyler medal 5000
5 years 223 days ago
Really, so your now going to scale it to 75% why, full distance is 100% thats your benchmark.

The old tyre model was a better base to work from as right now all using 75% is going to do is make them wear a little faster yet 100% leagues, which if ppl keep talking about realism races should be, will still just be ss and soft.

Everyone knew the meds were pointless so your starting point should have been how to get all tyres into play, not just swapping from hards to softs.

Id revert back to the old wear rates and as posters have said work on temps, and drop real weather its terrible, just random it every season so the weather could be different at tracks each season, that stops ppl keeping set ups and means each race is different.
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