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LIVE: Tyre Performance Update

Maybe the changes tern domination of S tyre but rebalancing tyre without balance Push L the key can be push l when optimum work tyre and speed should by PL3 and optimum temp, when you need use PL2 to get optimum temp you should lost time in every lap. I think you guys should focus on balance or evolution push lv. Tyre need little changes T big chnges can destroy balance. Sorry for English and I race in 100 % race

The soft is dominat evrywhere, not just in bahrein, ok have some track only ss and s are good, understand, but not all

Now not need tactic, u put s/s/s and win, really good, so realistic, evri track, s/s/s wohoho, so exciting

I agree,since this tweak pretty much every race on 100% the best tyre overall is soft. There are no advantages to be gained by using ss. So far Monaco was the only track where it was beneficial....and I presume the same case for European gp. 

I think people complaining about only one tyre can win, it's non sense. I don't ever participate in 100% league, but in 50% there is plenty of strategies. But you have to be a high level manager to make it work. Management of boost is essential. 

I don't like that hard tyre in some tracks with 8 degress, it's still working very good. 

Jack, being in a 50% league, I am quite fine with the tyres after the update how they are right now. The softs have definitely a dominion of supersofts, but I am still figuring out what the best tyre is for 1 stop strategies. Yesterday I lost a race running S-S-S and S-M in Japan (which was before the update a clear (high wear) H-H circuit). I lost still against an H-H strategy, while my competitor was not live managing his tyres. Therefore I am not so sure the hards are too slow now (in the 50% league). I think they do exactly what they should do: be used at high wear tracks and in high temparure. So at the moment there is not one winning strategy for all tracks which is exactly what we want.


My suggestion is to make the supersoft a bit faster (about between the previous speed and the current speed), and just keep the other tyres as they are right now. Since not competing in a 75% of 100% i cannot say anything about the pros and cons for those distances.

Hi Jack,

I have lost track slightly of what I have replied and when.

So for me its just looks like we have in most cases replaced the Hards with Softs. The go as long and have an even better temp range.

The SS in race conditions is not fast enough. One a single quali/test lap the time is there, but in most race conditions the softs are as fast if not faster.

This is the case for 100% races I have been a part of. 

I still wonder if you need to look more at the effect of fuel weight to try help balance things. The previous tyre settings could have worked if you made the hard strat a little less powerful but increasing the effect slightly of fuel weight. They would still have come good, but taken longer, a bit like real life.

Drivers effect delta times? 
I have one driver that has 1 second between S & M and the other driver has 1 second between SS & S  and only half a second between S & M on the same track. 
Only difference between the drivers in 1 point in Ride-height.
My other account is 2 points difference in Ride-height but it's currently not in a league will try it next season.

Another race another update...so tonight was the British GP for our league.....Top 10 choose SS first stint and gained absolutely no advantage... There were maybe 2 laps max where they were slightly faster but for the majority of the stint they were not once again softs dominatin despite the temp reaching as low as 7oc. On my second stop I adjusted my stratergy to do more laps on Soft so that I could do a 10 lap push on ss to the line....despite the lower temp (race start was around 10oc) which by thus time gad reached 7oc I could gain no advantage even with same fuel and same push level as soft. With the changes that have been implemented a soft 3 stop is the only strategy that works and it seems this has replaced the dominant  stop hard strategy...therfore in my opinion not creating many entertaining races.....as Jamie said above in practice the difference is visible but for example the difference for me was only 0.6....which shouldn't be the case...and the race pace isn't any difference if anything more often slower. 

I hope something is decided soon. I appreciate that it's not as simple as us saying it and something will be done...but previously before the change at least SS was obviously quicker but had cons to it....these are examples from 100% race. 

When will this update begin?

My opion is for 100%races

Supersoft is good
Soft is good
Medium is good
Hard is good

And not change the wear same as 75% races.
Soft,medium and hard must have more tyrewear.
For example with training supersoft 7%, soft 5%, medium 3% and hard 2%

Guys,

I understand you are frustrated of not winning. I think, you should follow each race, manage the tyres by combining push levels. For example, if you are in the drs zone, you can push at minimum and not loose time and at the same time cool the tyre.

anything the developer will do will make something better something worst. I was using the M tyre also, and in some circuits is better than S if you are able to manage the race lap by lap.

Davor it's nothing to do with winning...the data is there and shows exactly what we are saying. Same again tonight in the German GP...Ss at 5oc isn't quicker....It doesn't matter the push level or fuel or the experience of the igp player it just has no worthwhile advantage at the moment. Running at 100% the H and M tyre has no chance...or hasn't in our league. The pace isn't there....Softs have been OP.

Sounds good, let's see how the changes impact. Any idea/estimation when will be implemented?

I think some reasonable scaling is a good idea. Everyone is complaining about softs being the only competitive tyre in 50% races but I've still been winning with Mediums and Hards in most cases. My preference would be to make temperature have a greater impact on tyre performance.

After a good amount of races (100%) is obvious that there is no other choice of S and I'm not frustrated about not winning.. I win :D

I dont want to complain about M tyres, maybe when summer come back we can test it again better, but SS! We need a little more performance for using during the race. Now is quite impossible to win in a serious league with those

tested on 9/17 races

yeah he does win lol

I see all the posts about winning etc and i haven't won a race in a while now but the tyre change has made in interesting in our league with the strategy flying left right and centre. Yes there are two team still dominating in our races but im clawing my way up there by using different tyres to make them change there minds, as happened in the last race where the driver who has been wining finished in 6th i believe!! 
You have to roll the dice every now and then as i know these guys have drivers and cars that war way better than mine but we still plug away and try and get them. We have guys who battle just for the lower points and they are happy!!!
Last night race for us was a great race by all and the reason for that was tyres!!

Im not sure why this went off topic to be about winning....The point that has been made is that the SuperSoft isnt as quick as it should be when compared to the Soft. I think the majority of us want the races to be like you mentioned thats why we are feeding back here....in your next race try a 3 stop soft (100%) and see how you get on and compare it to those that used SS....you will notice no worthwhile difference when weighing up the pros and cons. 


I have a second team in a 50% league and yes I agree the difference isnt as obvious...but I have still found that softs work best...mediums are closer than they used to be. 

My main reason for giving feedback is to make the races as competitive as possible for varying different strategies that can be used....

What you said is exactly what i was talking about!! We have teams a drivers trying all different things and its made our racing interesting. 
I ran one car at the European GP with 5 stops on SS and it almost worked was beaten by two better drivers but got me in front of two other good drivers. The other car ran 2 stop with Soft's on and came 5th missing out on 4th but 0.7 of a second. 
Like what i said in the past post i dont care about winning really as long as im getting closer to the top 4 drivers in my league and i am doing that where as before the tyre changes were made i would just finish every race in 5th and 6th as the other drivers just ran away with it. Even then though it was my gold to just try and get a second closer each race if i could than the last time we raced at that track. 

That point is so not true though in our league ( well not for the last race). The first 3 all ran SS for the entire race and 4th 5th and 6th all ran the Soft tyre, at some stage for those 3. So there really isnt much wrong with the SS in our league. So much so our race tonight im using them again to try and get closer to those top drivers again!!
Our top 6 is fairly consistent but below that its now come down to tyre choice as to who is getting points and not!
Not trying to create an argument here but its for the feedback on what is happening in our league and the tyres are working fine!

Funnily enough we just had the Hungarian GP and SS in heats over 20oc was the better tyre as it gained a first stint advantage.


Obviously I took your post the wrong way..apologies.....what we are experiencing is that SS and S generally have similar lap times....SS gives you the advantage in quali as for grid position but in race hasnt had the pace and the data collected prior to the race via practice sessions isnt true in race pace....they run similar lap times with adjusted PL...where the SS should be quicker with less life so it mixes it up at first pit.

My suggestion would be Softs are left as they are, SS tweaked slightly and also Hards/meds to have a slight increase.....

Hungary was an exception last night (before wear change obviously being a SS race) but the advantage was gained early on...after first pit the laps times were on path with soft....all at 20+ temp...where as in the Britsish and German GP's in temps nearly at 5oc the SS was pointless........

I still think long term the temperature of race/track and fuel weight should have more effect on tyre....but obviously we need to reach a happy/meduim balance of the tyres first....

Any update on this Jack?....