[ROUNDTABLE] Tyre 'Cliffs' Update

Ok, are you using the push static or dynamic? For sure now you have to increase the push when the Tyres left the Performance   Window ……. On hotter Tracks the Tyretemp is easier to hold …… so sometimes you will be able to hold temp even at 48% but sometimes you will lose temp at 70% (Same Track Same Tyre but different Weather temp)

Considering that the tires fall off earlier you need to put in more fuel just in case in no refueling races considering that it is harder to save. I haven’t played a no refueling race in this update so I might be wrong though.

almost static. Before this update, I just changed the push level when I hit 50% cos it was more difficult to kept them warm. Now, after 75% it seems to start to lose heat and I need to push harder. I though this is not what the devs wanted (or at least what I understand from the changelog).


Anyway, I think this change is mostly good, but seems to kinda fail at short races

That’s exactly what was planned with that update ?


You should read some guides in the forum (maybe some mod could post a link, I am to lazy to search)
Static push is not the ideal push today and in the past ?

I totally agree, i think it has totally ruined the game for 100% races. 4-5 stop races is just stupid.

After the 2 tests done, it seems to me a too abrupt change. It is clear that everything is getting used to but for me it completely changes the whole concept of the game. We've complained in the past about changes that didn't change anything, and now one is being introduced that changes everything as we knew it. And I explain why I don't like it:

  It does not seem normal to me that in a race, someone who enters 4 laps later because I have M and I entered before because I have S, we go out at par and when he leaves with M and more loaded he is even faster than the S and 3 laps less fuel, counting that at the next stop, the 4 laps difference is also repeated.

  In practice, this completely eliminates the influence of fuel loads, because the brutal modification of lap times according to degradation completely disables the few tenths that fuel load differences entail, and also, this makes SS tires are completely useless because they do not perform more than 3 or 4 laps depending on the circuit.

  We have gone from a game of SS and S, to one of S and M but with brutal degradation changes at 75%. According to the announcement, from 35% the tire is no longer competitive. It really stops being competitive at 60%.

  This is my opinion. Having said that, it all comes down to re-learning how to play. The mechanisms, erase all previous strategies to carry out the new ones and play another game... because of course this is another game: that of the tires that you can only wear up to practically 60% and that now the undercut is the main thing instead of the overcut as it had been until now in almost 100% of the races.

Idk how to share race links, but I've done a full live race at Japan, a few offline races, and some test races for offline to test push levels (both 100% leagues if that makes a difference). It's all the same as what Mustrum is saying as well. It was a bit of a challenge to see how much fuel you could save (if any), now you basically know how much you have to put in. I kept reading "realism" being stated with the falloff and strategies, but I'm just not seeing it

And apologies if I came off a bit harsh earlier. I'm just not seeing why this was made this way. At some tracks the overcut was better, and others the undercut was better. Some were good with both,  just depended on who you were with, if with anyone. Now it's all undercut. And also some partial bias as I was finally getting the hang of offline racing lol

Not sure that is entirely true.  At 100% there were plenty of tracks like Monaco, japan, Malaysia, Spain, Germany etc where 4 stops were winning strategies and 5 stops at Turkey as well.  What has changed is most of these were previously SS strategies.  Now some 4 stops have become 5 stops at S and the others have viable strategies at 4 stop for S and M tyres.  A small sample so far of 4 races, but while undercut is now powerful, it’s still possible to overcut as well (this is at both 100 and 75%).


Whether it is realistic is another question, but remember managers demanded a tyre rebalance which would introduce more strategies and now have one.  It wasn’t too long ago that managers were asking for realism like no refuelling and when they got it they didn’t like that you could 1 or no stop on Wets (something which has happened in F1).

Sometimes we need to be careful what we wish for, but having races where managers are using various tyre strategies and seeing 3,4,and 5 stop strategies in a single race can’t be a bad thing.  However, I think 6 stops would be a bit much though ? but at the end of the day this is a strategy game for entertainment and not meant to be a realistic simulation.

One 100% race and some quick race. My impressions:

Supersoft are probably useless.
Medium tyres have a smaller gap from soft than before.
Above 28 degrees medium tyres are better than supersoft since lap 2 (that won't last enough...)
Tyre temps drop at 60%.
I am obliged to push above 90% and below 65/70%, making impossible a longer stint saving fuel/tyre.
Driver experience is active(?). My younger driver (10) had to use boost to catch his experienced team mate(20). It never happened in the previous 3 races.

Old strategies have to be revised by shifting by one compound or reducing stint length to 75%.

Thanks for the reply ?. Going through all the posts I see things which tie in with what I’m experiencing and things which don’t and it’s super hard to understand what’s going on. So I appreciate it.

For instance I’ve had a few races now and haven’t had issues with maintaining tyre temperature anywhere till they start getting down towards 50 and lower. So to see people saying 75% and can’t keep heat is puzzling, do people mean the tyres are in the blue at 75% health? Or just that they start noticing they push harder.

Maybe I will encounter this on other circuits as i have more races but right now there seem to be quite a lot of conflicting experiences.


So far my experiences have been positive and I hope they stay that way. ?

Good mornings I am Sajnu from Racing Service Providings. Our providings are fasterings than other providings!

In my league we did the racings at Mexico the temperature providings were 14 degreeings.

I started on the softings tyre providings and at 25 percentings the tyre temperature droppings at lot and I needed to do push level increasings to do the temperature maintainings. 

In order to finish the racings with my fuel providings I had to change my tyre providings to the super softings. The super softings also experienced similar problemings.

The racings leader did not change his strategy providings and ran out of fuel at the start of the last lapping!

Overall I think the new updatings make things more interestings but it needs some tweakings as my experiencing just on one race providings so far are that it was a farcings.

I will do more racings before I make up my mindings if the update providings are workings.

Lol

In my opinion the new update is too extreme. Before tyres were starting to get cold around 50% but now at 70% too early, would be better if tyres will start to get cold around 60%. Then when winter will come people will start to complain about it. 
Like Kevin Bissell said I'm one that's racing in No Refuelling league and the new update is really poor. 

No refueling in my league and the update is perfect, it's the cry babies who dominate that don't like the change. Please don't revert it back 

Tbh, all guys losing temp at 70%…..where did you race?
Actually we did 2 races in the league since the update (Russia and France) we all didn’t lose temp at 70%

So what would be nice and interesting:
- if you lose temp at 70% on which track, with what Tyres and what weather?
- also interesting would be if you race with a static push or dynamic push

Refueling is active in my league. I voted yes and now I'm fine with new tyres except that push levels are obliged. You cannot have the freedom to think: I want to push or I want to save fuel/tyre to use a softer tyre in last stint. That's my only complain and I'm saying it now for the first time.


I'm ok with the new update and I only described what has changed. The new tyres are just another way of enjoying this game.


 @JNS ONE
100% Europe 28 degrees. I used SS,S,M. My quick races have been held in France, Austria, Italy and another track I don't recall.

Ok France is interesting but I can’t really compare cause we had a wet starting race and it was dry for he last 12 laps (75% race length) 

My strategy was I-I-I-Ss-Ss 

I used Inter to 60% with no issues in temp.
I used SS to 50-45% with no issues in temp.

For sure now people have to change their strategies and planning of racing. Like if go for a stint where my Tyres will go to 50-40%, I better now take 2L extra with me…..maybe calculating fuel will be now more important 

I don’t think boost should be disabled. But currently it has far too strong of an influence on race results. I think it should be nerfed by at least 60 to 80%. It should “just” give you a little edge but currently it’s giving managers 5 to 10 seconds faster laps if they save it till final lap. Nerfed by 60% that would reduce gains to about 2 to 4 seconds if all boost is deployed in a single lap. 

Don’t get me wrong it’s fun and obviously saving near 100% boost till the last laps isn’t gonna win you races in a competitive league (unless your pace already fast enough for winning). 

When pressed the depletion is already at a sweet spot, especially now @ level 19 on this account. But it shouldn’t add soo much extra speed/power. That needs to be cut down significantly as mentioned. Which will really make use of it even more tactical. 

Instead we managers will have to focus more on tire and pit stop strategy, avoiding traffic, overcut and undercut, etc to achieve wins.  

But Since this is tire wear update discussion, we can probably move this to the suggestions section. 


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As far as tire temperatures dropping before 50%, I noticed this also. But I believe this is more realistic and welcomed change. The tire characteristics, including temps, should be different after the first few laps. Especially SS, so this change results in a tire that’s stable for longer in temps the harder the compound used. I like that! 

Racing under Two Tyres and No Refuelling rules, we race on Azerbaijan with 30° and Abu Dhabi with 34°. I did S H in Azerbaijan and S S SS in Abu Dhabi.