Gustavo Heiden medal 6649 Super Mod 2 years 269 days ago
Oh, that's very weird then. But this scenario is one those which requires a complete revision of the AS rules, focusing the Offline leagues. I didn't have the opportunity to talk about that.
Simone Villa medal 5971 2 years 269 days ago (Last edited by
Simone Villa 2 years 268 days ago)
Yes, in the actual situation it is very hard to manage if you are not ready to change strategy just before qualification.
However, the hidden option still works: some player made this strategy: I S S or I I S....
In the first, they changed S when water arrived to 0mm and it was good for their race.
In the second, they changed into S 1 lap after first pit stop...
John Doe medal 5001 2 years 248 days ago
A new situation in live:
My friend made this strategy S I I .
W over 3mm
Rains stopped after qualification.
At beginning he can change starting tyre Only between I and W. Is it correct?
Till july I am sure that it was possible choose tyre between W I and S (because S was in basic strategy)
Gustavo Heiden medal 6649 Super Mod 2 years 247 days ago
Weird, I have a question: what was the "if stops raining" tyre?
I'd expect to be able to have softs available to be chosen. In order to be certain that something is wrong, we'll need to see it happening again.
John Doe medal 5001 2 years 246 days ago
I after 0 laps
Gustavo Heiden medal 6649 Super Mod 2 years 243 days ago
That's indeed very weird, we must watch if this behaviour repeats.
John Doe medal 5001 2 years 243 days ago
Ok, thanks!
John Doe medal 5001 2 years 237 days ago (Last edited by
John Doe 2 years 237 days ago)
Hidden option still works....
Strategy 18 I 16 I 16 I 13 and an additional S
W over 3mm
S after 20laps
Rains stopped at laps 56.
My car put S at lap 57....
I continue to day that this kind of advanced must be changed!
Hidden option still works! Before than advanced 2..
In the same race:
Strategy only I. Put W over 3mm
Pur S after 5 laps.
First pit stop after 5 laps of first rain stop but suddenly it bagan to rain and he continue with S till further pit stop when it put I.
At lap 56 he put S.... why????
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=50248213&tab=race
Drivers Byron and Villeneuve
Gustavo Heiden medal 6649 Super Mod 2 years 234 days ago
You said: "Strategy 18 I 16 I 16 I 13 and an additional S"
Does that mean that you have chosen 4 stints of Intermediate and one stint of Soft (but hiding it)?
I think you got very unlucky in this situation, because your pitstop was going to occur at lap 56, as it had stopped raining the AI put the main strategy tyre (which was Soft)
About Villeneuve second stint, you mentioned it stopped raining, didn't you?
So, when rain stopped, it did put the second AS tyre (which was soft) and it would have kept that until it reaches 0.0mm, but as it started raining again, it must wait until 3.0mm to change to wets (Advanced Strategy) or the next stint.
My review: once again the Advanced Strategy proved to not cover a race in which you need to put intermediate tyre AND wet full tyre.
John Doe medal 5001 2 years 234 days ago (Last edited by
John Doe 2 years 233 days ago)
No, my strategy cover all the race with I. You can check the link of the report at the end and it is clear that last stint on I cannot be so short.
The additional S was on purpose to check hidden option.
I am agree with you that NOW additional stint with S is wrong.
However there were still 1.6mm of water when my driver put S... it doesn't happen before in this way... before he was waiting 0mm before change..
Villeneuve: the problem is the the first time rain stopped, he wait 5 laps for putting S (like advanced 2 was organized) but the second time , he put S immediately (he had 1 lap less than my driver)... like he was the same strategy with finalmente S like me... but it wasn't
This situation is worst than with my driver...
Frank Thomas medal 4865 Moderator 2 years 233 days ago
Maybe the programmer didn't anticipate the 2nd advanced strategy to be called twice in a race and didn't put in a line resetting the variable counting down the laps back to setup value after being called the first time. So for the second, and any further, time rain stopped it's still at 0 and executed a stop immediately.
As for your driver putting S at 1.6mm water it could be the same reason as your rain stopped counter also started with first time rain stopping but not executing as it started raining again. So your stop to S might also be advanced 2 and not hidden suddenly at 1.6mm. But then, did it reach 0.0mm at all in the race?
John Doe medal 5002 2 years 233 days ago
1) an answer begun with "maybe" confirms that advanced startegy must be modifyed. Isn't it?
2) no, i put 20 laps in advanced 2... it pasted more than 40 laps...
3) water never arrived at 0mm in that race
Gustavo Heiden medal 6649 Super Mod 2 years 233 days ago
The additional S was on purpose to check hidden option.
If you deliberately change it, why iGP should change "back" to the tyres of 4th option. It doesn't make sense to me.
Strategy 18 I 16 I 16 I 13 and an additional S
I still don't understand why you put 13 laps on last stint, it would require a 5th stint even in normal conditions.
... before he was waiting 0mm before change..
When I mention it waits to put S in 0.0mm water is because the dry tyre is in the MAIN strategy.
ok, so Villeneuve did his "if stops raining" straight way in the last stint because the AI thought it would be the best option. The AI can't recognise it's a dry tyre in that option and therefore it should wait more laps.
John Doe medal 5001 2 years 232 days ago
If you deliberately change it, why iGP should change "back" to the tyres of 4th option. It doesn't make sense to me.
If i don't put S in the last stint , hidden option doesn't work. However, I was expecting that water reach 0mm and in this way, he will put S, but he decided to put S when there are 1.6mm not zero...
I still don't understand why you put 13 laps on last stint, it would require a 5th stint even in normal conditions.
18+16+16+13=63 and the race is for 63 laps... 5th stint is not necessary
When I mention it waits to put S in 0.0mm water is because the dry tyre is in the MAIN strategy.
I wanted put S when there are 0mm, not when there 1.6mm as it happened
ok, so Villeneuve did his "if stops raining" straight way in the last stint because the AI thought it would be the best option. The AI can't recognise it's a dry tyre in that option and therefore it should wait more laps.
But he didn't wait 5 laps the second time... maybe this is exception: the first time rains stop, he use advanced 2. Second time.. it decided by itself... however I think this something rare... but wrong in any case...
Gustavo Heiden medal 6649 Super Mod 2 years 232 days ago
but he decided to put S when there are 1.6mm not zero...
Because it was also in the Advanced strategy (second option) and it wasn't raining in the last pit.
I wanted put S when there are 0mm, not when there 1.6mm as it happened
Then you have to put the dry tyre in the main strategy, or be lucky enough to use the second AS option.
Didn't Villeneuve pitted for fuel in last stint?
John Doe medal 5001 2 years 231 days ago
Because it was also in the Advanced strategy (second option) and it wasn't raining in the last pit.
In advanced 2 ,i put after 20 laps , not ZERO....
Then you have to put the dry tyre in the main strategy, or be lucky enough to use the second AS option.
I would be lucky to use hidden option... and put S at ZERO Mm instead of M
Didn't Villeneuve pitted for fuel in last stint?
No, not for fuel. Eve if this possibility is interesting but should be avoided by last update of strategy: he has strategy only on I, so further stint should be like the last
AKSHAJ Sehgal medal 5000 2 years 230 days ago
Thanks! It really helped me out
John Doe medal 5001 2 years 229 days ago
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=50248231&tab=race
Gustavo, please check this race and tell me what you think.
Rains stopped 11 minutes before the race.
Race started with 0.3mm of water.
Gustavo Heiden medal 6649 Super Mod 2 years 224 days ago
I'd say that the cars which made 5 stops had their advanced strategy set for intermediate tyres (if stops raining). So when track reached 0mm they went to pit for dry tyre. That pit messed up with their strategies and therefore a last stint was required at the end.
Simone Villa medal 5971 2 years 223 days ago
I think it is clear that for those drivers.
However as you can see there are also drivers that run all the race with I... this happened because of the last improvement, however it is not good that a driver has to run all the race with I... if there is 0mm...
it is necessary another improvement for advanced 2 that must work always when a driver is on I or W tyres.
In this way if he put : S after 20 laps. The countdown should begin fa in lap 1.
In this way if a driver start the race with I and rain stop early, at lap 20 he will pit for putting S and his race is not so stupid because race all the race with I is very stupid.
Don’t you think?
