John Doe medal 5001 2 years 223 days ago
Another situation not clear:
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=research
It was raining, but rains stopped before qualify.
Rossi has strategy with S.
I over 0mm
S after 0 lap
In grid there was 0.1mm of water. Please explain why he made qualify with S but in grid he had I before owner entried in live.
It looks that in this way, advanced 2 work! Is it possible???or ther be another reason?
Or do advanced 2 work only with 0 laps if it is not raining but there is water??🤔
I am very confused about working of advanced 2 ...
John Doe medal 5001 2 years 223 days ago
After a double check, we think that there were some bugs in the last race linked. Too much mistakes!
John Doe medal 5001 2 years 222 days ago
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=50777157&tab=race
Please check race of drivers Russel, Giovinazzi, Sainz and Grasso.
How to do you think they have strategy and advanced strategy?
Race started with 3.1 and reached 3.3mm. At laps 21 rains stopped.
Water level reached 0mm at lap 41.
The best solution was of my driver Byron, but as you can understand, I took a big risk! However what do you think i put advances strategy?
AGGiE x RSA medal 5000 2 years 222 days ago
Ummm, I don't if it is meant to work but, I have tried it out numerous times now. Long story short, I have been able to toggle the "Default Push Level" without enabling the "Advanced Options".
My questions are;
- Is it a bug or is it as intended? (I personally find it helpful, just in case I miss race start, to have the drivers set to low push since its easier to heat up tyres instead of cooling them)
- Does having a low Push level affect your qualifying pace?
Frank Thomas medal 4865 Moderator 2 years 222 days ago (Last edited by
Frank Thomas 2 years 221 days ago)
@Simone Villa
My guess for Giovinazzi is
17 I - 17 I - 17 I - 14 I - 14 SS Adv1 W @ 3mm Adv2 I @ 0 laps
Yours I'm lacking clues, best guess perhaps 18 S - 16 S - 16 S - 15 S - 9-11 SS and I @ 0mm and Adv2 I 50 laps
John Doe medal 5001 2 years 221 days ago (Last edited by
John Doe 2 years 221 days ago)
@frank Thomas
No:
russel and Giovinazzi had basic strategy on dry tyre, w over 3mm and I after 1 or 0
However the disaster is for drivers that had basic strategy only on I and only on W like Sainz and Grasso. However in others situations, it happened that with their strategy , after reaching 0mm , drivers used twice tyre chose in advanced 2...
This part must be improved!
Congratulations! You are right for strategy and for advanced 1, but you are wrong with advanced 2 : I put I after 0laps! But it doesn’t work because I have already I! I was trying this!
Gustavo Heiden medal 6675 Super Mod 2 years 221 days ago
When it's over 3.0mm I think the advanced strategy work quite well, because you need to put Wets over 3mm and Inters if stops raining for 1 or 2 laps. Then they'll pit for dry when track is 0.0mm wet.
Now, if we need to start the race on Inters and change to Wets, we must use Inters on main strategy and Wets over 3mm. Therefore if it stops raining, we won't be able to put dry tyres when track is 0.0mm wet.
I'm writing this so it is clear to all players that read the thread. Advanced Strategy isn't able to deal with scenarios where all three types of tyres are needed.
Frank Thomas medal 4865 Moderator 2 years 221 days ago
Yes, the options to use 3 types are very limited, only in case rain stops and there limited to the 2nd advanced option if using Wets and/or preparing an extra stint coming only into play as the main ones are shortened due to the weather change.
@Simone Villa: Ah OK, as they used Wets I guessed they chose Inters in case it rains less and got lucky the scenario sort of worked out for an add-on/extra stint. Me thinking too complicated again.
Also didn't guess you test and rather thought you might play it safe not risking Adv2 to interfere. But good to have it confirmed it didn't stopped the car just to put the same tyre on again.
Giovanni Caruana medal 5214 2 years 220 days ago
It could be a lot more easier if the game let us choose the ideal range for inter tyres (i.e. 0.7 to 2.5) and the threshold where your driver must change tyres (i.e. 0.4).
So if it starts raining you will continue on your strategy while the rain is below 1.1 (0.7+0.4), if the rain is 1.1 the car stop immediately regardless of your strategy BUT if the rain is below 1.1 then your car follows the strategy and during pit stop if the rain is 0.8 you will have inter tyres.
The same should apply to the inter/wet threshold.
This would make the advanced strategy easier and without unexpected behaviours.
Only 3 values: Inter threshold, Wet threshold, Risk threshold
Ieuan Brew medal 5000 2 years 205 days ago
This was really helpful thanks
Skid Solo medal 4933 2 years 143 days ago
Offline race in Turkey happening now.
Wet 1.9mm at start of race. Set strategy for Inters and Wets above 3.0mm, but I haven’t pitted.
A lot of managers also have this strategy and half pitted immediately when it got over 3.0mm the rest didn’t and didn’t change to wets until next pit stop. Any ideas why?
Giovanni Caruana medal 5214 2 years 142 days ago
The algorythm looks bugged and many players are not happy about how it works. I wrote my suggestion few posts above. The game should trigger a check each time the rain level changes. I think that now you have to be lucky that the game checks your cars when it's raining.
Kevin Bissell medal 5002 Super Mod 2 years 142 days ago
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Offline race in Turkey happening now.
Wet 1.9mm at start of race. Set strategy for Inters and Wets above 3.0mm, but I haven’t pitted.
A lot of managers also have this strategy and half pitted immediately when it got over 3.0mm the rest didn’t and didn’t change to wets until next pit stop. Any ideas why?
Discussing this with other experienced volunteers it seems that if you're already on Inters and set the AS to switch to Full Wets the car won't pit for the wets until the next
scheduled stop after the prescribed water depth is reached.
In your race today the water depth hit 3.0mm on lap 19. Cars that were on Inters with AS set for Full Wets at 3.0mm had wet tyres fitted at their next scheduled pit stop after this threshold was reached. For teams that were on a two stop strategy this occurred on laps 19, 20 and 21 but for you on three stop strategy it wasn't until lap 30.
Dick Dastardly medal 5130 2 years 142 days ago
Kevin
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Offline race in Turkey happening now.
Wet 1.9mm at start of race. Set strategy for Inters and Wets above 3.0mm, but I haven’t pitted.
A lot of managers also have this strategy and half pitted immediately when it got over 3.0mm the rest didn’t and didn’t change to wets until next pit stop. Any ideas why?
Discussing this with other experienced volunteers it seems that if you're already on Inters and set the AS to switch to Full Wets the car won't pit for the wets until the next
scheduled stop after the prescribed water depth is reached.
In your race today the water depth hit 3.0mm on lap 19. Cars that were on Inters with AS set for Full Wets at 3.0mm had wet tyres fitted at their next scheduled pit stop after this threshold was reached. For teams that were on a two stop strategy this occurred on laps 19, 20 and 21 but for you on three stop strategy it wasn't until lap 30.
Yeah this was a real pain 😂 and surely must be a bug otherwise it makes AS a bit pointless
Kevin Bissell medal 5002 Super Mod 2 years 142 days ago
Actually it makes sense because if the cars pit as soon as the threshold is reached you will almost inevitably need to make an extra unplanned pit stop later in the race.
3.0 to 3.2 mm water depth is the crossover point between Inters and Wets. The water depth hit 3.0 mm on lap 19 but you remained on Inters until your next scheduled stop on lap 30 when the water level was only a little over 3.2mm. This probably cost you no more than half a second a lap, which over 11 laps is approx. 6 seconds.
If your cars had pitted on Lap 19 you would have been forced into making an extra pit stop, the time lost in Turkey is about 19 seconds.
So the way the AS worked gained you about 13 seconds.
Gustavo Heiden medal 6675 Super Mod 2 years 141 days ago
If this is the case: cars are only pitting to change tyres together with fuel strategy, We will need to change the Guide. Because it used to pit you the same lap track reached the desired water level.
I have a request for anyone from the community: Can you please post a race result and strategy used when the Advanced Strategy was applied for a dry-wet or wet-dry scenario?
Simone Villa medal 5972 2 years 140 days ago
I confirm that it was always in this way: the decision for changing from I to Wet when rains arrive to 3.0mm is always taken at pit stop scheduled. This is not a bug, it is normal.
However I am waiting this possibility also for advanced 2. Otherwise when rain stop, we will probably have a further pit stop.
John Doe medal 5000 2 years 140 days ago
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=52796007&tab=race
Strategy on I.
Advanced 1 : w over 3mm
Advanced 2: I after 0 laps.
Race start with 3.6mm and rains stopped during lap 34.
It works but...what a risk!😅
Simone Villa medal 5972 2 years 134 days ago
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=52717458&tab=race
Qualify with 3.2mm .
Rain stopped before the race.
Driver Prince had:
Strategy I I I
W over 3mm
S after 16laps
I don't know when water arrive to 0mm
He raced only with I.
Advanced 2 didn't work....
Gustavo Heiden medal 6675 Super Mod 2 years 124 days ago
Late reply, but in this case it would be the same as setting I+I+I in a dry race. (because stopped raining before the race)
