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Open Discussion with the Devs: League system

An increase in player retention will result in an increase of active players.
Whilst this game is easy to understand for gamers who are used to "Time Investment" games, a vast amount of players who enter this game will get bored fast simply due to lack of understanding of the development of facilities and such, believing that there strategies are incorrect and feeling inadequate before they've technically even begun.
Just an observation but relevant I'm sure.

To finalise on my 2 previous comments before I drone on forever (#amillionthoughts lol!) This is in response to your first suggestion. I believe introducing more tiers will effectively reduce the potential of players becoming inactive, increase the competition within tiers by spreading the population further and splitting the competition more suitably and all in all make the game fairer and fun for both rookies and more developed and experienced teams at the same time.

I'm not sure I agree with having more tiers. I think it would further dilute the system.

I wonder what the outcome of setting a requirement on number of total races a manager must have completed in order to move up to a higher tier. It took me 150-200 races to fully develop my knowledge of the game on my own and become confident as a manager in all the moves I make. And that is on 3 races per week! Which means it took at least a year for me to grasp the game. And in everyday racing, 150 races is almost half a year.

I also think 3 tiers is just the right number. It's just the "transition tier", the Pro tier, at most times tends to be arguably nowhere near as competitive as the Elite tier, partly due to there usually being not enough competitive managers in Pro, and also partly due to managers in Pro being lower leveled with less developed HQs and teams. Rookie tiers also consist highly of new players coming and immediately abandoning their account there, which to me is the tier in most need of the auto-kick; some league hosts could attest to how tiresome it can be monitoring their rookie tiers. (For those who don't like the auto-kick, there can be an option for hosts to disable & re-enable it whenever they want.)

This all results in a relatively quick transition from rookie to elite for most active new players, but once they get to Elite, especially in established leagues, they find they start from 0 again, compounded by the fact newly promoted managers start with much less design points relative to the competition. The relatively low manager level & undeveloped HQ of newer players also contributes to the gulf in performance once they reach Elite.

Hence, I have a potentially silly suggestion, but I suggest there being an option for managers eligible for promotion to choose whether they want to be promoted or not. This means a manager in Pro who believes they are not yet ready for Elite can decline the option to be promoted, and stay in Pro for at least another season; a manager in Elite who had previously been slated for demotion will then retain their spot in Elite in the event a manager in Pro does not take up the option to be promoted.

The main problem I see in my suggestion atm is regarding Elite managers who for some reason want to be demoted and are slated to be demoted, but because of Pro managers declining the option to get promoted, the Elite manager who wants to get demoted stays in Elite instead.

Personally I find it is best to learn from those in Elite, and get more xp in Elite to level up faster since managers in Elite are usually higher leveled, leading to more xp gains for lower leveled managers who reach Elite. But different people have different sentiments, and I have seen a good number of Pro managers who would prefer to stay in Pro.

maybe a level based or level capped tier system may work, a manager must reach a certain level to get promotion from rookie to pro and from pro to elite and elite to Legend, for example there maybe 4 tiers and every tier is level capped from 1-5, 6-10, 11-15, 16-20, Sorry if it is a silly idea :p

In my opinion I think only #1 is viable. Adding a pyramid structure or merging the tiers would cause too many issues between new and experienced players. Even if you added the handicap system experienced players wouldn't want to be slowed down plus it would compromise the rep structure. If you were in a league with say 50% handicap and you started losing races and thus rep thus losing your HoF status you'd more than likely leave the league. We all way to improve our teams that's what it's all about. Also adding the pyramid system would ok yes improve bragging rights but I think it's unnecessary in iGP. To keep the balance or create higher level leagues all you would need to Introduce is a minimum rep requirements t if you wanted higher level leagues.

I think I have 8 promo slots for a single driver league is a lot I think if you swapped them (4 up in single, 8 up in double) wouldn't put so many managers in limbo. Also in 2 driver leagues what would happen if one driver got promo and the other didn't? Just curious lol

The game has to assign the league or levels to the manager.
I squeeze it.
If a level 8 manager arrives at Elite with a level 17 manager, he will not win until they level off. (Long time without being competitive), he gets bored and leaves the game. The manager of level 17 is also bored for not having competition.

El juego tiene que asignar las liga o niveles a los mánager.
Lo esplico.
Si un mánager de nivel 8 llega a Elite con mánager de nivel 17 no ganara hasta que se igualen en nivel. (Mucho tiempo sin ser competitivo), se aburre y deja el juego. El mánager de nivel 17 se aburre tambien por no tener competencia.

Just a thought, how about locking inter league transfers until the league the player is currently in has finished its season.
I think one the reasons for inactive players, is the lack of things to do. Once you set a stratagy, done a bit of training theres not a great deal else to do. How about introducing other features that can be done on an ad hoc basis. Maybe one lap challenges against friends? Hire a track for testing, resulting in car development?
Also how about a way to improve staff (like the driver training?)

Track testing and staff training would be great features to add in. To extend on the testing maybe during testing you are only testing 1 part of the car before you have to do testing again. Also with staff training perhaps introduce the idea the staff must attend classes to train and during this time period the benefits of that staff member would be dropped to the minimum.

Just a few ideas off the top of my head

Autokick doesn't affect the leagues with active managers so there is no problem there.


An increase in player retention just increase the number of inactive leagues and the difficulty of finding a good league. After autokick, active players in inactive leagues are now discovering and moving to active leagues.

Even if inactive managers are easy to beat for a newcomer, I think in an online game like this it makes no sense to compete against inactive managers who don't differ from bots. Also a newcomer will never receive support in an inactive league.

totally agreed. at the moment we have a huge gap between the ones arriving elite and top players. we are losing many when they realize they have to work and wait :(

1. yes perfect. i'm doing that by myself. 3 days in the league - 3 days inactive and he is out for me.
2. i'm going for creating a tier above, or some Official IGP Manager league or something like that. where all of us are there for the race everyday making the perfect scenary dream came true.
could be using the actual position in the hall of fame or your best position.
3. no please, nothing regional!! hahaha i'm from Uruguay lol i'll be out of everything hahahaha

.to be an Official IGP Manager you will have to reach some objectives. let's all think this.
examples & ideas
- you have to reach 18 (17?) level.

- have attended the last 15races

- have attended xnumber of races since you joined

There are some good points made here. I think that IGP may want to look at a restructure of the league system. As mentioned here and elsewhere, there are a lot of empty leagues, due to new players starting a league.

This may be due to a lack of communication in the game for how to start out, join leagues that are almost full. The promotion system mentioned earlier in this post of managers having to reach a certain level before moving up to the next tier is a good one as well. It can only be 3-4 seasons before a player reaches Elite in some leagues.

Great for the manager, he's doing well against the competition he had, bad once he reached elite and is struggling to not get lapped twice in a race.

The friendly race system that is coming to IGP in the future may help, as then it's friendly races outside of the league structure, hopefully keeping managers interested in a game, while they learn the finer points of strategy.

i want to add, i think we are losing many rookies before the first race.
i think it's because it's hard for them to be sure when is the race going to start. and the thing that when they install the game, they want to see how tha racing is, so many leave before the race.
ideas:
- the countdown to race we used to have was perfect. no way you can miss the race, for every time zone. :) so no timezone configuration there. easy.
- maybe this one is too much but. i think the arriving guys should be able to race at any moment. let's say 2 test races. they will join one test race starting in 15' 5' or 10' or better to be selected by the manager :P
there is when i think we need IGP to have some 'special leagues'. i think you can 'sort us' better with this kind of things.

Dan, I put some ideas like this into a post in the suggestions forum, it's called "an in-game help guide" because I'm terrible at writing headlines. Your ideas mesh well with what I suggested. could you add them to that post? and any others you may have?

Number of races is mostly irrelevant in my experience.
I actively poke around the other managers' pages in my league and the vast majority of players aren't even training their team, just buying pre-owned low-talent drivers from the Transfer market and leaving them as they are.

Some managers are just better on their own. The competitiveness of my Rookie league fluctuates to the point that every second season someone leaves my Pro league because they don't like being beaten every race by last season's Rookie promotions. Requiring a set number of races is going to hurt more than help when a big problem is people with higher race counts not paying attention to anything in the first place.

The only real benefit it would give is putting a brake on the progression of alt accounts. At the moment my Pro league has someone's alt that just breezed right through Rookie and sold himself 19/20 talent drivers from his main account.

I remember a clever server that was on battlefield (4?), where there was a rookie server.
Long story short, rookie league would be every player upto lets say level 5. Once at level 5 they are then promoted to what is now pro. Promotions/demotions would eemain same between pro and elite, but once you have reached level 5 you are no longer able to return to rookie.
The reason for this idea is to hold back rookies until level 5 to prevent them getti g promoted too soon, losing big time in pro tier and then losing intrest.

Jack, are you still planning an increase to the promotion/relegation zones?

In an active populated league Rookies will hit at least level 6 by the end of their first season anyway, and for most players that's far too early to promote them to pro.
The new-account tutorial doesn't stick. Players don't understand how training works or why it's important, and they certainly don't get the helpful race tutorial because most Rookies don't attend races. Promoting everyone to Pro at level 5 will just make Pro the new Rookie.

Good point Thomas (sorry on mobile so cant quote what you put). Maybe a higher level would work? Level 10 maybe? I think there is alot to be done to turn people who download the game into regular players, and educating them on things like training.