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Hard Tires more faster than SS or S tires!!! OMG

Above in action :)
Bahrain with temp @ 33 Super Soft & Soft versus Hard tyres https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=5269033&tab=race

I agree about a change of the tyres system... if the hard perform better than a qualification lap in SS... it means that something is wrong... expecially if the temperature is less than 20 degrees. Just my opinion :)

Same here with the undercut and extra 1 pit stop in action.
Singapore 45 laps 27c,
S/H/H/H vs S/H/H

I pit after 9 laps vs their soft tyre pit after 11 laps. I should point out that the opposition car was 2 design points better.
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=4675932&tab=race

Well if you think about it, a slower car doesnt damage the tyres as much, therefore they can run softer tyres to match the better cars speeds. Only problem is they will be forced to do more stops using the softer tyre.

Yes I agree as I was the one that did the undercut and extra pitstop with a worse car by 2pts. Was just showing how it can be done as someone on the previous page said that it would not work.

A hard tyre PL5 is faster than a super soft tyre PL2?

both new? how about temp? how about drivers? how about fuel in the tank? it's not easy to say ;)

Go for it, send one driver out on hard tyres and the other out on supersofts doing the same amount of laps and see who is faster.
And no cheating! laps have to be suited to the supersoft tyre and not pushing it longer than it should be.

good answer ;) test it!!

Granted hard are a little too fast compared to mediums but there is no way they are faster than SS & S.

John is right.
I have used the H in my races with success.

My last GP:
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=resultDetail&id=56856066
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=resultDetail&id=56856065

Do not just look at the test results. Put them on the race and see.
Observe the avg speed. See the difference in weight of a gas tank. The SS carries half (18.5L) of an H (36.5L) gas tank and should be much faster.
Hard are much faster than they should be.
Again, test them on race my friends.

Hi Franz,

Can you confirm though that the first stint on SS was at push lvl 1 and what the track temp was?
What push lvl were the stints on hard?

Its very easy to over cook the SS tyre on every track with the exception of Monaco, even push lvl 2 would make them so hot that you would lose lots of time per lap.

Hi Jamie.
The track was about 10ºC.
SS probably has starts on 3, and H was absolutely on 4, but I always look at temperature and changing the push.
I'll paying attention os this data on next races.

P.S. Sorry for my poor english

Hi Franz,

Your english is better than mine!

I think there is your problem. Even one lap on Push 3 on SS could make them very hot, even at 10c.

I think the real test, as suggested before is to have 2 drivers, similar skill and talent. Start a stint with the same fuel but different tyres and correct push levels appropriate to the tyre.

I would love to have time to try this out, but these days I am way to busy.

In your future test Franz maybe try get a few screen shots in race showing the tyre temps and push levels etc.

You should go on the live viewer to see if you are running your tyres in optimum temperatures, and adjust push levels accordingly. If your tyres are overheated, they will lose pace the more and more they go in the red. The same is true if they're too cold and in the blue.

However, there is an issue with Hards still being able to stay away from the blue in cold temps (I mentioned this earlier in the thread), which I something I believe should be addressed, but in colder temperatures having an all Hards stint doesn't outright win on most tracks (unless the track has high tyre wear like Spain). So in 50% distance, you may prefer to go S/H on some tracks instead of H/H depending on the temperatures (S/H is common in the case of Malaysia in highly competitive leagues, works well in China too, and a few other tracks). Also, 2 stops are especially competitive in Aus and most of the European tracks as well, 3 in the case of Valencia, and possibly Belgium if you want to take a risk. Though whatever strat you choose and tyres to put on, ensure they are running in optimal temps or at least as close to them as possible.

When you say Hard tyres are faster than Super-soft tyres, what do you acutely mean?
I have tested it out Hard tyres on higher push level 3 doing same length of stint as Supers on lowest push level 1 and found SS to be much faster.

If the race viewer worked the same as the practice it might solve a few issues and at the same time create a few more issues :P
The trouble with SS is they have a short life span. If they worked on PL 3 at 10 degrees they would have much better fight against H on pl 5 doing a longer stint.

Low wear tracks SS at 10 degrees
Medium wear tracks S at 10 degrees
High wear tracks M at 10 degrees
Is that what we want? H is always the race trye the rest are just qualifying tyres lol That would just kill the game completely.

Help section suggests that's the way it is above. But it''s not what it's meaning, lest I hope it's not.
Take real life for example, at 39 degress they are flying around on Ultra-soft & Super-soft tyres.

They are able to limit the amount of water, therefore they must be able to limit the temperatures too to get tyres and push levels working any way they want at any given track.

I'd say H are the definite best race tyres for about half the tracks. They'll be spammed even more in the summer though.

back to the old days :(
autumn (S) spring (M) summer (H) winter (SS)

I don't mind if temps are hot and it makes sense that H would work better since they'd suit the conditions best. The issue in my view is that there're as competitive in even chilly weather, which IMO can be balanced by first tinkering with the tyre heating. Doesn't mean putting all hards in the autumn/winter season will win you everything though. Even in hotter conditions the softer tyres can be competitive or even give you an edge on certain tracks.