[ROUNDTABLE] Tyre 'Cliffs' Update

I know about the game lol

For example I know my fuel was less (so no reason for my S tires to be slower) cause inactive players default strategy has a safe and too high amount of fuel


Also, are they even bots if they are just inactive? The game creates a default strategy after all, no imput needed

That an account is new doesn't mean the manager is new to the game, this is the internet after all, you can only see what the profile tells you

Yes, S are faster than M, but not for long (3-5 laps max) on some tracks M are faster right out of the gate, our Elite is active. Mediums are better as a racing tyre. U sure can use softs for an opening stint, but ussually you then commit to 3 stop (which is slower in most cases) or you have older tyres till the rest of the race because you are out of sync with others. Medium runners even when they start out of the top 10 catch the lead car on softs by the end of the 1st stint, in most cases even earlier in 7-10 laps depending on the circuit.

IMO, the tweak has been largely successful and I believe even in NRF races, all four compounds are a viable option as opposed to RF where it's mostly two. NRF leagues got the best deal out of the update.


I'm yet to see any scenario where M was faster than S out of the gate. That's kind of a big exaggeration.

Sure there will be always be a dominant tyre for both aspects of the game but like Roones mentioned, circumstances matter such as activity of the league etc. I would not just say M is the best racing tyre and everything else is useless. 

Are you in no refueling league? No. Have you been in one after update? S-M-M worked once and it was actually when a lot of people didn't attend the race. When people on mediums were stuck behind the AI soft runners who kept using kers. And the manager who started on pole bolted away fast enough because of that

@Sneaky   Yes they did but I would say that any manager in the top 10 could have won that race, (actually I lie, I didn't have a chance by the end of the race) The winner manged to exploit those on 4 stop S-M-S-S-S softs very nicely, and with the china pit lane time the softer tyres couldn't quite catch back up. Another day I believe the 4 stop's could have won it.

My opinion of No refuelling post pre tweak stacks up exactly with the first part of your input, Mediums were just far too strong, were the best race tyre and pretty much any race was pick a tyre to qualify on and then run Mediums. I am hoping that the tweak has changed this, Archie's feedback sound's much more like I am hoping for... Also Archie has many accounts so he probably is in a few no refueling leagues.

Could you name the tracks where you feel the M's are immediatly faster than S out of the gates? It will help the Mods and Volunteers analyse your input and see if something can be done if neccesary.

Well, if we only talking after the tweaks then even today on Suzuka Mediums were faster from the start or at least were on the same pace. SWT and Cro Petronas were there live and started on Softs, just compare the lap times of the first stint. Keep in mind that Spence Mafia and McLarry didn't use any kers to boost the lap times and the active guys on softs did

I'll have a good look next chance I get, thanks. Is there any chance the guys on mediums had higher FE and therefore quite a fuel difference at the start?

(Just looking to eliminate factors when I look at things, 10L of fuel can make a lot of difference and early season that sort of gap is possible.)

Yes you are right profile only tells you  a little, but the fact you don’t know how to train your drivers and your other posts tell a very different story so let just leave it there.

My chiefs aren't fuel oriented so I doubt FE can be a factor. The thing is I don't really see any difference in how Mediums and Softs are behaving since the tweaks, Hards defenetly took a hit, SS I doubt I'll even consider touching them before Monaco. Maybe I am overreacting. It's only been 4 races since the tweaks I belive, but again I didn't really see any major changes in Mediums and Softs. The strategy basically comes down to: start on Mediums see if you can keep enough temps in them through various push lvl trickery to do 2 stops, if you can't then just stop earlier and do 3 on mediums instead, because even on shorter stints Mediums are better than Softs.

You can leave it anywhere you want, you started it


And I don't see my driver bad trained

You don’t see your that driver is badly trained and you say you are an experienced player who knows the game?


Here rather than typing everything you have done wrong/not done read this guide it will help you

https://igpmanager.com/forum-thread/45862

I've never put a point in mental and I'm fully training driving instead of physical, but I will do that later (I don't have the simulator yet so training almost doesn't do anything so I don't really care about driving or physical yet) 


Still, you can keep talking about what I know or don't know without knowing more than my profile

Hi Jose, like I already said in a previous post the Tyres tweak is very good. 

Regarding the H problems, could you explain better what you mean as Speed increase? 
if you mean a faster lap time, I guess would be better a Wear ratio decrease from 1% to 2% lower than M. Or as second choise a Lower optimal temperature with simulation done in France. Yesterday in France at 8pm italian time with new H compound was enough PL2 till 70%, maybe switch to PL2/3 or PL3 would be a good second choise. 

I think on paper tyre performance is balanced, but because of how bad the wheel-to-wheel is, with cars being pushed back and overtaking taking too long even with a huge difference in pace, the tyres cannot show their true capabilities.

You don't know what to do with M because in Refuel mode M is too much weak specially at cold temperatures where they're useless. In No-Refuel mode they have the S pace and they last the double. I have just made a race in Brazil where I couldn't break the M train with the S tyres. I feel like the SS are too much powerful now. S needs a buff for sure because the M are too much overused. And as someone has said there no should be more than one full push after the compounds drop because the conservative strategies are too much difficult to make. 


The improve after the first update is very good but now a new more balance is required. Keep a special eye to the conservative strategies too.

By the way I think you should review the tyre wear for each compound 

Yes, tyre wear is strange, sometimes M and H have the same tyre wear after one lap, and others the gap between all 4 compounds doesn't seem consistent

Today racing in Hungary, 10 ° C and the SS and S tires did not heat up even with the maximum push level.
Not a big update what you have done...

It’s a characteristic of Hungary, has nothing to do with the update. I also raced there few mins btw, and tyres were fine for me.

Wait... Winter is coming. It will not be a characteristic of Hungary only. USA, Spain, France, Turkey, China, Japan and Messico and others are literally unplayable at 5°C or more. After 60% of tyre it requires 2 PL over.
Anyway I agree with Maurizio. I don't like this update. If you pit one lap later you take 5s undercut and you are out of the race without DRS train. There is no chance to make a stint differently