[ROUNDTABLE] Tyre 'Cliffs' Update

@Sneaky   Yes they did but I would say that any manager in the top 10 could have won that race, (actually I lie, I didn't have a chance by the end of the race) The winner manged to exploit those on 4 stop S-M-S-S-S softs very nicely, and with the china pit lane time the softer tyres couldn't quite catch back up. Another day I believe the 4 stop's could have won it.

My opinion of No refuelling post pre tweak stacks up exactly with the first part of your input, Mediums were just far too strong, were the best race tyre and pretty much any race was pick a tyre to qualify on and then run Mediums. I am hoping that the tweak has changed this, Archie's feedback sound's much more like I am hoping for... Also Archie has many accounts so he probably is in a few no refueling leagues.

Could you name the tracks where you feel the M's are immediatly faster than S out of the gates? It will help the Mods and Volunteers analyse your input and see if something can be done if neccesary.

Well, if we only talking after the tweaks then even today on Suzuka Mediums were faster from the start or at least were on the same pace. SWT and Cro Petronas were there live and started on Softs, just compare the lap times of the first stint. Keep in mind that Spence Mafia and McLarry didn't use any kers to boost the lap times and the active guys on softs did

I'll have a good look next chance I get, thanks. Is there any chance the guys on mediums had higher FE and therefore quite a fuel difference at the start?

(Just looking to eliminate factors when I look at things, 10L of fuel can make a lot of difference and early season that sort of gap is possible.)

Yes you are right profile only tells you  a little, but the fact you don’t know how to train your drivers and your other posts tell a very different story so let just leave it there.

My chiefs aren't fuel oriented so I doubt FE can be a factor. The thing is I don't really see any difference in how Mediums and Softs are behaving since the tweaks, Hards defenetly took a hit, SS I doubt I'll even consider touching them before Monaco. Maybe I am overreacting. It's only been 4 races since the tweaks I belive, but again I didn't really see any major changes in Mediums and Softs. The strategy basically comes down to: start on Mediums see if you can keep enough temps in them through various push lvl trickery to do 2 stops, if you can't then just stop earlier and do 3 on mediums instead, because even on shorter stints Mediums are better than Softs.

You can leave it anywhere you want, you started it


And I don't see my driver bad trained

You don’t see your that driver is badly trained and you say you are an experienced player who knows the game?


Here rather than typing everything you have done wrong/not done read this guide it will help you

https://igpmanager.com/forum-thread/45862

I've never put a point in mental and I'm fully training driving instead of physical, but I will do that later (I don't have the simulator yet so training almost doesn't do anything so I don't really care about driving or physical yet) 


Still, you can keep talking about what I know or don't know without knowing more than my profile

Hi Jose, like I already said in a previous post the Tyres tweak is very good. 

Regarding the H problems, could you explain better what you mean as Speed increase? 
if you mean a faster lap time, I guess would be better a Wear ratio decrease from 1% to 2% lower than M. Or as second choise a Lower optimal temperature with simulation done in France. Yesterday in France at 8pm italian time with new H compound was enough PL2 till 70%, maybe switch to PL2/3 or PL3 would be a good second choise. 

I think on paper tyre performance is balanced, but because of how bad the wheel-to-wheel is, with cars being pushed back and overtaking taking too long even with a huge difference in pace, the tyres cannot show their true capabilities.

You don't know what to do with M because in Refuel mode M is too much weak specially at cold temperatures where they're useless. In No-Refuel mode they have the S pace and they last the double. I have just made a race in Brazil where I couldn't break the M train with the S tyres. I feel like the SS are too much powerful now. S needs a buff for sure because the M are too much overused. And as someone has said there no should be more than one full push after the compounds drop because the conservative strategies are too much difficult to make. 


The improve after the first update is very good but now a new more balance is required. Keep a special eye to the conservative strategies too.

By the way I think you should review the tyre wear for each compound 

Yes, tyre wear is strange, sometimes M and H have the same tyre wear after one lap, and others the gap between all 4 compounds doesn't seem consistent

Today racing in Hungary, 10 ° C and the SS and S tires did not heat up even with the maximum push level.
Not a big update what you have done...

It’s a characteristic of Hungary, has nothing to do with the update. I also raced there few mins btw, and tyres were fine for me.

Wait... Winter is coming. It will not be a characteristic of Hungary only. USA, Spain, France, Turkey, China, Japan and Messico and others are literally unplayable at 5°C or more. After 60% of tyre it requires 2 PL over.
Anyway I agree with Maurizio. I don't like this update. If you pit one lap later you take 5s undercut and you are out of the race without DRS train. There is no chance to make a stint differently

After a lots of game played that's my final suggestion to re-balance the game. 

That's for the 75% the format I learned. Then make your calculations for the other formats.

Reduce tyre wear for M and H by 0,5%. Example pass from 6% to 5,5% it will be enough to give one lap extra to give more strategies.

Increase the S pace.

Review the tyre wear in Spain and Mexico as they are not balanced with the laps to go.

Review all the push levels as we can't play PL5 all the time at cold temperatures and the drop should not more than one push level to avoid embarrassing seconds of undercut 

How is it unplayable at 5C? Simply adapt. You obviously don't expect the same strategies to work now do you?


The game was updated, update your game play.

Just want to avoid pitting 5/6 times on SS. Just my opinion mate: that's the aim of this forum I think 

Run yesterday at Belgium. I tried to make ONE LAP MORE on second stint =  out of DRS train at pit exit by 3s, boosted 20% to regain the group = OUT OF THE RACE. Just because I did not the strategy of the group. I think it's too much brutal this kind of cliff