[ROUNDTABLE] Tyre 'Cliffs' Update

How can you have 193 in tyre economy? Wasn't the max 100?

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My feedback is that i appreciate the tire change but i think there are some things wrong:
- ss tires are currently useless as they wear out
too early
- hard tires are not usable because they lose too much temperature
- in general, forcing the tire change due to the tires losing temperature does not seem quite right to me. In fact, in winter, with low temperatures, we will be forced to do a lot of pits or we will have to race with frozen tires.

In addition to this, there are old problems but you have to do things gradually (i.e., first, rebalance the tires):
- tire economy should be relevant
- the drs should be less powerful
- overtaking should be easier 

Who talks about "winning strategies" doesn't take any considerations about conservative strategies. If in any moment of the season I am not able to win because of the development of the car I MUST HAVE the possibility to take some points with a conservative strategy (1 pit less) that in this case it's very impossible if EVERYONE does the same strategy. It's a managerial game or what???

TE was a skill if the tyre reached 30% like the previous system now it's impossible! 

Just a question. Wasn't it better increase the tyre wear instead of this garbage?

The aim should be make all the strategies balanced 
25% 1 stop and 0 stops playable 
50% 2 and 1 stop
75% 3 and 2
100% 4 and 3 or 2 like it was

Who thinks run 25% like a 100% is wrong because the gaps you take in 10 laps are different from the gaps in 60 laps

Could we get a sneak peek of what will change? :P

I was thinking for the Hard compound, Instead of them working above 40c maybe make them work at a lower temp? Say like 35c. In theory they should be usable then. Just an idea

They are already effective in mid to high 30’s at least in 75% no refuelling races.  Raced Bahrain a few nights ago and winning strategy was M-H-H

I just won a race (100%) with a S-H-H-H-H strategy. Pitting always in the lap that my tires where getting into the 50%. Hards where not only the best tyre, they weren't getting cold, the temperature needle never went into the lower half of the indicator, and the race was at 26º C. Who said H where usseles and that they couldn't get them to working temperature??

Yes, but the point was that H tyre could and did deliver normal pace at normal temperatures, I recall someone saying that after 2 laps H where going downhill into ultra cold temperatures and could not be raced on

26º C is not ultra cold, 5º C is ultra cold

The tyre going ultra cold, not the race

I thought you were talking about track temperature. Anyway it has an influence on tyre temps. You would not be able to manage hard tyres with 10 degrees less.

I just finished a race in turkey 100% 23deg of track temp. no refuel.

Well at the end the optimum strat must have been :
S-S-S-S-S-M (yes you read the correct number of S).
SS/S crossover at lap2
S faster tyre even with a life of 9 laps in any case as the M were too cold already at 55% (around 10 laps) which means you anyway have to pit really maximum on lap 11 or 12 even with the M.
H got blu after 3 laps (comments from the one who tried).

I did not do the best strat but still won switching to something similar, not only for pace but mainly for fuel as with M you are in max push all the stint. I was planning S-M-M-M-S and then switched to S-M-M-S-S-S, with the last 3 stints on minimum engine mode to finish the race.
It still beat the one which was on S-M-M-M-S, and nobody was on the best strat.


In a similar way yesterday in spain with 27degC M were also limited by the temperature drop, making it usage life similar too close to the S. Having that at 15degC would maybe be ok, but 27degC in spain, before the update we almost were able to push only in the corner to avoid overheating of the M. Yesterday already at lap2 you have to push the full lap to keep the tyre temp. strange thing thow is that with the H you still manage to put them in temperature too, and the laptimes were pretty similar, and with the lower wear rate it was then getting cold later^^. But I would expect that if you have to push max with the M to keep the temperature, the H should be cold straight from the beginning.



There must be a small correction done there because with 5deg of track temp this will become a 6 or 7 stop race (or more) which is maybe a bit exagerated.

But in general I enjoy this update, as now undercut is a clear option while before the only strat was to stay in the train, overcut as much as possible and keep some boost, and it was starting to be boring.
Some corrections need to be done in some areas maybe to improve the range of track temperature in which the tyre work. Maybe to avoid a too big drop of the tyre temp with the wear too. Something maybe also on the SS as now this tyre will be used only in Monaco for the start. On most of the tracks, as the crossover with S is between 2 to 4 laps, it is totally useless. Then for sure if the S are blu with 5deg of temp that could maybe change it but I find it really extreme^^.

Anyway thank you for this update, this brought back the fun I had when I started this game with trying to understand how everything is working. A clear step in the good direction from my point of view (the train/overcut strategies on 95% of the tracks were really a non sense). keep pushing.

Ok here's my feedback after 4 races. Please revert. I think all this stems from no refuelling. Didn't like it and especially since it not spec and varies per manager level. 

The tire changes has ruined mediums. At 26 C in Spain today many of us on Mediums lost all temps below 60% wear and cold at 50% with FULL/5 push. 

Broken. Seems this was to address no stop and 1 stop due to the change to adding no-fueling. 

Hi all, so i public my opinion (is the same for most friends of participant into my league). Well, the impact of cliff is very evident, and we sow the drastic down performance of tyres, in the real race it isn't apply on this sequence, most type of tyres are depending on temperatures for performance and track for consum degradation. For example, there are some gp's to use most laps for medium tyres, anothers for soft tyres, but is ridiculus only use hard tyres, and sow the performance start down not at 50% but at 75%?! Really?! In real, this performance of tyres start to down performance when start graining or some another factors. 
For me, and probably for anothers players, this update it isn't reflected to the real performance and consumition tyres. I'm really sorry for this update. Is most logic have similar consumition on trakcs to real tracks, not watch in real during the tyres 20 laps, and in game during 10 laps... it isn't correct. 

Agree... Of course it's not realistic. SS are completely wasted after 2 laps ?

I think this update is a step foward but the 50% "cliff" is just way too harsh, it leaves no room for creative strategies because once you go under 50% your car gets A LOT slower, which also renders SS useless. I am not saying it was better before (because it wasn't) but there must be a change that reduces this effect at the very least

The 50% cliff as far as" lap times/wear" is fine for me. It's the sudden drop in tire temps at around 60% to 55% on harder compounds that has made races more arcade-like. Has not negatively affected my results yet, but winning is less satisfying as other managers rightfully complain about strange med tire temps. Where their laps times continue to be nuked even before the 50% "cliff" because of temp dropping from around the 60% tire wear mark. I raced offline 2 races this season as it's just not a highlight as it was b4.