[ROUNDTABLE] Tyre 'Cliffs' Update

Ok I've finally just done another "cold" race

Australia 12 degrees-100% distance-no refueling

I was expecting to have to push more than normal to keep temperature so added around 2 litres more fuel than required. It wasn't enough, but I did manage to finish the race by running push level 1 on stone cold tyres to make it home.

On the whole I like the update but the "cold" race issue needs resolving. The winning team says they added 10 extra litres of fuel and crossed the line with 2 litres in reserve, which seems a little too extreme to me. Pleased to see that things are being looked in to

If the temps don't drop so much then I think the best strategy is gonna be just pit whenever your tyres have 50% left, we'll see

Yeah, we will see. But it will also depend on track temps because before the last update, the tire "cliff" seemed to be ~ 40% and so for SS you could sometimes/tracks run them down to ~ 30% for hot weather races. So Maybe we will now be able to get down to 40% on the softer compounds IF able to keep temps up! That would be fine, while still making harder compounds less strong, as long as their temp drops aren't as sudden as before. Hopefully, this update happens soon. Really good news this AM. 

I agree with you. If they fix only the drop of the tyres temp it will be only the same story: same strategies and SS too much useless. If the cliff were at 40% instead of 50% it would be a better thing

I don't understand why you are fixing the temperature? That's not what everyone has problems with... SS needs longer life.

Indeed tyre temps would make possible a longer stint or more simply the chance of performing your stint in a different way from the only possible as of now.

And I hope it will prevent 7 stops strategies.

The other half of the problem are not-competitive supersoft (useless) and hard (useful when you race in a desert).

Very well said Dario and Giovanni 

I think this statement is based on an assumption that temperatures are the only thing being fixed? I read it as confirmation that temperatures are part of the patch rather than the entire patch. The first post a page ago said several fixes and improvements. So have hope ?

Thanks for clearing that up, I indeed think it was only temps, good to know it's a general update.

It seems as if the most current update seems to have broken push levels.  This, I have noticed does happen on hot ambient temperature tracks (25°C and above).  It seems that all tyres have to operate on PL1 to stay anywhere near within optimum operating tyre temperatures. 

I have not yet seen the effects on tracks with ambient temperatures below 25°C.  So, if anyone wishes to comment, further, please feel free...

On what tracks have you raced on already in this current update? And on which tyres?

I have some data for Abu Dhabi, same temperature of 34.

Push before tyre update:
mostly PL 2 with M

Push after update (15 August):
mostly PL 4 with M

Push after tweak:
mostly PL 2 with M

by comparing the results it seems the push is now the same as before the update

Yeah, Melbourne was really cold today Mediums went from 3 to 4 to 5 as they started to wear out. So I don't think push lvls are broken. Mediums are still the best tyre, but maybe hards will come into play at hot circuits if they indeed fixed the temperature drop. Softs are only good if you want track position and the medium runners are stuck in traffic behind slower cars. Can't say for sure maybe I'll try to test softs again at some point.

Run in China this evening with 20° I enjoyed the tweak doesn't change tyres wear but at least push level have sense. 

Italy and Abu Dhabi.  Italy with mediums and hards.  Abu Dhabi with Supers, Softs and Mediums.


All only wirked fir me on PL1 where I could go with higher push before...

Monza rarely had more than PL1 ever since I joined, so nothing new here. Abu Dhabi is a bit more tricky, but I think someone explained Abu Dhabi earlier. I'll see what happens in France tomorrow, but I doubt that push lvls are broken. As I said Melbourne was really cold today so used 3-5 on mediums.

Brazil on Sunday was awful, Cold temps made it impossible to run anything other than Soft tyres which cliffed 2-3 laps before they should have. Thank you for fixing the temperatures.

I dislike this newer tyre condition.
Last race the winner made 5 tyres pit stops: is it real?
If we want to look like the real F1 management, this can’t be acceptable. If it’s all folks, you’re welcome.

Well, to be honest, racing in Turkey at the beginning of the season, considering this track's tyre consumption and short pitlane, I think the +1 pit stop was a good strategy.
Anyway I like the new update, it has made strategy less obvious and promoted a variety of valid strategies (50% length race) like never before