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Wholly Crap
2 years 50 days ago

Kevin

I don't know what the Devs future plans are for Driver skills, but there will be some pretty unhappy people if Racecraft is nerfed any time soon.

Some people have seen the benefit of the skills and have spent real money purchasing tokens in order to get the skill. Remember, 200 tokens is a little over £14.99 GBP per driver. In a two car league we're talking about a £30+ investment to equip both drivers with Legendary racecraft.

If you purchase something you don't expect it to be rendered worthless a few weeks later. That would be the ultimate scam.

But that happens in many games, it's how they get money. They then come out with something else that everyone rushes to buy.

Basically what you have said is exactly why this game is now pay to win. I have spent the odd cash amount before to speed up progress but won't be spending one penny since the update. I've searched and already seen drivers maxed out, this must of cost them a small fortune just to be better than the rest. Any fool can buy a win, I used to see it when racing in real life, trophy hunters we called them.

Skid Solo
2 years 50 days ago

Wholly

Kevin

I don't know what the Devs future plans are for Driver skills, but there will be some pretty unhappy people if Racecraft is nerfed any time soon.

Some people have seen the benefit of the skills and have spent real money purchasing tokens in order to get the skill. Remember, 200 tokens is a little over £14.99 GBP per driver. In a two car league we're talking about a £30+ investment to equip both drivers with Legendary racecraft.

If you purchase something you don't expect it to be rendered worthless a few weeks later. That would be the ultimate scam.

But that happens in many games, it's how they get money. They then come out with something else that everyone rushes to buy.

Basically what you have said is exactly why this game is now pay to win. I have spent the odd cash amount before to speed up progress but won't be spending one penny since the update. I've searched and already seen drivers maxed out, this must of cost them a small fortune just to be better than the rest. Any fool can buy a win, I used to see it when racing in real life, trophy hunters we called them.

Sorry this is not pay to win. I know of pay to win games where some players spend over £100k a year. The small costs in this game help managers to progress a little bit faster (and keep servers running) but they are not game changers.

Wholly Crap
2 years 49 days ago

Skid

Sorry this is not pay to win. I know of pay to win games where some players spend over £100k a year. The small costs in this game help managers to progress a little bit faster (and keep servers running) but they are not game changers.

Whether someone pays £1 or £100k is irrelevant if paying that money makes you better than the opposition who doesn't spend anything, if it makes you better then your paying to win. If it had zero bearing on performance then people wouldn't do it.

You have engine manufacturers already that have spent hundreds of tokens maxing out an engine then don't want that available to anyone else, again paying to gain an advantage. I've said before I'd rather pay a yearly subscription so that everyone is equal on level terms. iRacing is exactly like that so everyone is the same and it's down to skill.

Archie Bald
2 years 49 days ago

Wholly

Skid

Sorry this is not pay to win. I know of pay to win games where some players spend over £100k a year. The small costs in this game help managers to progress a little bit faster (and keep servers running) but they are not game changers.

Whether someone pays £1 or £100k is irrelevant if paying that money makes you better than the opposition who doesn't spend anything, if it makes you better then your paying to win. If it had zero bearing on performance then people wouldn't do it.

You have engine manufacturers already that have spent hundreds of tokens maxing out an engine then don't want that available to anyone else, again paying to gain an advantage. I've said before I'd rather pay a yearly subscription so that everyone is equal on level terms. iRacing is exactly like that so everyone is the same and it's down to skill.

I’m with Skid here.

If you think this is a pay 2 win game, then maybe you really have no idea what that means.

A pay 2 win will ensure there are features you can ‘only’ get by ‘paying’. Not possible otherwise.

I know we all like to bash the devs and such, but y’all need to take a step back on the money grab allegations.

Not sure what else you guys want them to do.

You want legendary race craft? You can get it at the market for as low as 1 token fully trained to your current level and without going into details, a driver as low as T20 can compete with. T30.

Hq build time basically remained the same.

If anything, the guys investing right now are the ones getting the wrong end of the stick.

You also mention engines, why should anyone share them? Everyone has the same chances, sit with your device and watch countless ads as well. They did it, why can’t others do it? Btw, thinking custom engines (at the moment) gives an advantage is incorrect.

You all need to give the devs a break.

John Doe
2 years 49 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 2 years 49 days ago)

Sorry Bi Han, Sub Zero, Archie or whatever you will call yourself next time but I will continue to agree with my opinion.

It's true that no content (except XP boost) is obtained exclusively with real money but the game is going in a pay to win route.

Special abilities should be enabled for each driver regardless of rarity in order to be fair.

It has been designed poorly. We have only 3 or 4 abilities and one of them is clearly stronger than others. I expected a bigger variety: hard tyre specialist, drs specialist, faster with degraded tyres, quicker out lap and so on... At the moment is clear that having THAT ability makes a difference and you must pay 200 tokens.

Furthermore I have personal reasons to be angry because after almost 2 years I was near the end of the ladder and now I am at the middle of it. But these don't count on this discussion.

EDIT: In the end I should lose because my opponent is better than me not because he/she has an higher level or he/she bought every special ability and "whatever you want" boost.

Archie Bald
2 years 49 days ago

Giovanni

Sorry Bi Han, Sub Zero, Archie or whatever you will call yourself next time but I will continue to agree with my opinion.

It's true that no content (except XP boost) is obtained exclusively with real money but the game is going in a pay to win route.

Special abilities should be enabled for each driver regardless of rarity in order to be fair.

It has been designed poorly. We have only 3 or 4 abilities and one of them is clearly stronger than others. I expected a bigger variety: hard tyre specialist, drs specialist, faster with degraded tyres, quicker out lap and so on... At the moment is clear that having THAT ability makes a difference and you must pay 200 tokens.

Furthermore I have personal reasons to be angry because after almost 2 years I was near the end of the ladder and now I am at the middle of it. But these don't count on this discussion.

EDIT: In the end I should lose because my opponent is better than me not because he/she has an higher level or he/she bought every special ability and "whatever you want" boost.

Giovanni or whatever you decide to call yourself, that’s fine I didn’t ask you not to agree with what you want.

Chinedum Nwaiwu
2 years 49 days ago

Cool updates; my level 21 drivers keep losing to level 16 and upwards drivers and manager all season, just because their experience level is low (I think).

And for some random reason one of my drivers performs average in one race and then horribly in the next. Hope I have the time to figure out all these. Kind of demoralizing to keep losing to far lower level teams.

Herbie Rides Again
2 years 49 days ago

Chinedum

Cool updates; my level 21 drivers keep losing to level 16 and upwards drivers and manager all season, just because their experience level is low (I think).

And for some random reason one of my drivers performs average in one race and then horribly in the next. Hope I have the time to figure out all these. Kind of demoralizing to keep losing to far lower level teams.

The issue might be your league. It looks like you are in an Offline League where some managers believe it’s ok to be online for races ?‍♂️

Wholly Crap
2 years 48 days ago

Bi

I’m with Skid here.

If you think this is a pay 2 win game, then maybe you really have no idea what that means.

A pay 2 win will ensure there are features you can ‘only’ get by ‘paying’. Not possible otherwise.

I know we all like to bash the devs and such, but y’all need to take a step back on the money grab allegations.

Not sure what else you guys want them to do.

You want legendary race craft? You can get it at the market for as low as 1 token fully trained to your current level and without going into details, a driver as low as T20 can compete with. T30.

Hq build time basically remained the same.

If anything, the guys investing right now are the ones getting the wrong end of the stick.

You also mention engines, why should anyone share them? Everyone has the same chances, sit with your device and watch countless ads as well. They did it, why can’t others do it? Btw, thinking custom engines (at the moment) gives an advantage is incorrect.

You all need to give the devs a break.

Well I think your a hypocrite then, as looking at your drivers they are all at level 30 apart from experience so that has cost you money. If a talent 20 is as fast as a 30 as you say they are, why did you bother getting a talent 30???.

You have spent cash to gain an advantage to win, I perfectly understand what pay to win means, it's a shame you don't lol.

Archie Bald
2 years 48 days ago

Wholly

Bi

I’m with Skid here.

If you think this is a pay 2 win game, then maybe you really have no idea what that means.

A pay 2 win will ensure there are features you can ‘only’ get by ‘paying’. Not possible otherwise.

I know we all like to bash the devs and such, but y’all need to take a step back on the money grab allegations.

Not sure what else you guys want them to do.

You want legendary race craft? You can get it at the market for as low as 1 token fully trained to your current level and without going into details, a driver as low as T20 can compete with. T30.

Hq build time basically remained the same.

If anything, the guys investing right now are the ones getting the wrong end of the stick.

You also mention engines, why should anyone share them? Everyone has the same chances, sit with your device and watch countless ads as well. They did it, why can’t others do it? Btw, thinking custom engines (at the moment) gives an advantage is incorrect.

You all need to give the devs a break.

Well I think your a hypocrite then, as looking at your drivers they are all at level 30 apart from experience so that has cost you money. If a talent 20 is as fast as a 30 as you say they are, why did you bother getting a talent 30???.

You have spent cash to gain an advantage to win, I perfectly understand what pay to win means, it's a shame you don't lol.

What I do doesn’t take away from what is the fact.

I got T30s because I wanted to and I can. You can keep crying.

Herbie Rides Again
2 years 48 days ago

Wholly

Bi

I’m with Skid here.

If you think this is a pay 2 win game, then maybe you really have no idea what that means.

A pay 2 win will ensure there are features you can ‘only’ get by ‘paying’. Not possible otherwise.

I know we all like to bash the devs and such, but y’all need to take a step back on the money grab allegations.

Not sure what else you guys want them to do.

You want legendary race craft? You can get it at the market for as low as 1 token fully trained to your current level and without going into details, a driver as low as T20 can compete with. T30.

Hq build time basically remained the same.

If anything, the guys investing right now are the ones getting the wrong end of the stick.

You also mention engines, why should anyone share them? Everyone has the same chances, sit with your device and watch countless ads as well. They did it, why can’t others do it? Btw, thinking custom engines (at the moment) gives an advantage is incorrect.

You all need to give the devs a break.

Well I think your a hypocrite then, as looking at your drivers they are all at level 30 apart from experience so that has cost you money. If a talent 20 is as fast as a 30 as you say they are, why did you bother getting a talent 30???.

You have spent cash to gain an advantage to win, I perfectly understand what pay to win means, it's a shame you don't lol.

If you’ve played this game for a long time you will have more than enough tokens and in-game cash to obtain one from your HQ

Sylvie Durand
2 years 48 days ago

Except that the HQ does not give talent 30, we are a large majority to think that the game is not going in the right direction.

In addition, the token expenditure is enormous in my opinion.

Skid Solo
2 years 48 days ago

Sylvie

Except that the HQ does not give talent 30, we are a large majority to think that the game is not going in the right direction.

In addition, the token expenditure is enormous in my opinion.

Unfortunately it does. I acquired one via the HQ on my other account yesterday

Frank Thomas Moderator
2 years 48 days ago

Why unfortunately? The HQ is supposed to give T30 and it does so, for some sooner and for some, making them envying the ones seeing the 5th already, a bit later.

Herbie Rides Again
2 years 48 days ago

Frank

Why unfortunately? The HQ is supposed to give T30 and it does so, for some sooner and for some, making them envying the ones seeing the 5th already, a bit later.

English irony ?

Frank Thomas Moderator
2 years 47 days ago

Thanks, that one got lost on me, must be more tired than I thought.

Frank Thomas Moderator
2 years 47 days ago

Bi

Frank

It's a tricky thing as both sides have a point. Using a secondary account as customer, especially one never intended to actually use it, generating income (or less loss) and to block others, especially own league, from using the engine is not how the game in general and this feature is meant to be played and thus by definition cheating by using an exploit.

However this game mechanic doesn't work. Having some random, especially inactive, teams clogging up customer slots can't be how it's supposed to be. Forcing an engine manufacturer to take into account that an opponent is allowed to use the engine doesn't really work either. It's too much of a drawback for a manufacturer having to life with the disadvantages during developing the engine and forced to be stuck with it at all times while the non manufacturer can just select the best engine at any time isn't exactly balanced. For the non manufacturer it doesn't really work as the manufacturer can change the engine at any time without notice or costs and I'm pretty sure checking out why fuel in that no-refueling race is off to find that big Acc bonus suddenly became FE is not what a customer is looking for. (Or with lvl 30 and TE the weakness FE instead of reliability/braking).

I'm sorry Frank I totally disagree.

Are you saying offline players are cheaters simply because that's not how the game is meant to be played???

As long as the devs have not put in place a method to accept or reject customers, it's totally absurd to expect a manufacturer to share his/her engines with anyone, especially a league mate.

This is not an exploit but a design flaw and quite frankly find it annoying the blame is being put on the players.

Of course not, as offline play is meant by the game and pure offline while not intended it's not circumventing any game mechanics either. Something different would be using automation scripts and bots running a team semi-offline, though.

I'm also aware I tend to be both more strict in applying those terms than most but also use them more loosely as it doesn't mean I consider it neccessarily unfair or breaking a rule. Some exploits, like to get over design problems, I deem OK and use myself, like those placeholder accounts to keep leagues going, some I think are OK but deny myself the use, like using different accounts to generate and transfer competition drivers. Then there are things I don't think are OK, like secretly using two accounts in the same race to gain an advantage. Using them to block engines I think is borderline OK, as I agree this part of the engine manufacturing doesn't work, but think people were too quick to declare something they don't like a flat out design flaw and justify a grey zone solution despite gaining an advantage, minor as it is, through it. Personally I rate it into OKish but don't do myself category.

M. Truche Moderator
2 years 47 days ago

Sylvie

Except that the HQ does not give talent 30, we are a large majority to think that the game is not going in the right direction.

Hello Jean,

You are so wrong...
My account is level 21 and I have 2 T30 drivers in my YDA.

Hakan Ahmed
2 years 47 days ago

I dont like the idea of supplying someone with engines.... it should be my choices whether or not to supply... this is so wrong... i dont mind spending a bit to support u guys but the power to supply my engines should be up to me

Fried Rice
2 years 47 days ago

Hakan

I dont like the idea of supplying someone with engines.... it should be my choices whether or not to supply... this is so wrong... i dont mind spending a bit to support u guys but the power to supply my engines should be up to me

Sharing is caring mate

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