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'New Levels' Update — Release date & details

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medal 5001
1 year 311 days ago

Quick
Does driver weight only have an influence on BMI or does it still have a small influence on the race too? (After all, it is weight)



No weight was turned off months ago
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medal 5000
1 year 310 days ago (Last edited by hayden james 1 year 310 days ago)
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Guys tbh now,

Before the update the game was nearly only about skill because everyone was lvl20.

Now we got 10 more levels and yes until everyone will reach lvl30, the guys who are investing money are just a bit quicker at lvl30. But after everyone is on lvl30 the game is as competitive as before. So every advantage (by spending money) is temporary.

Also think about, the guys who are investing money, will keep the game running. Or do anyone think the server, the software and so on is payed with love and air?

My advice is, if you have a p2w manager in your league, let him do, you know he is temporary faster and the 2nd place is the 1st „normal“ place. Also keep in mind the p2w manager will carry all other because all other can leveling faster.

Looking forward to the time when everyone is lvl30 ?

we already talked about this in person yesterday, but Ill add my opinion here too to keep the discussion going.


While I understand that igp needs to generate revenue in order to remain active, I don't agree with the way this is done. I'd gladly pay money for a product that is polished and working. I have bought tokens in the past, because the game was fun. 

However, countless bugs have appeared that are yet to be adressed. 
Instead of fixing these bugs, thereby making the product good again, the devs have decided to implement even more (again unfinished) systems, all of which require token investiments in large amounts.

I totally understand that igp is in a difficult spot. To fix the product you need devs, to get devs you need money. 

But as you mention, what made this game for many was the competitive aspect. Everyone had equal machinery and races were decided based on strategic ingenuity as well as research prowess and race management (and of course bugs, but hey, the community coped with that...). 
Now, however, this equal machinery is gone for at least several months. With this, a large, very passionate part of the community loses their main drive.

What really troubles me here is the way the devs handle the community. Who hosts large tournaments? The community. Who provides in depth feedback and support? Again, the community. Who has created so many great tools that help new players get into the game and really revolutionize strategy making? Again, the community. 

Imho it's sad that igp does not value this great community nearly as much as they deserve. Instead we are thanked for years of coping with bugs by receiving these money-oriented systems and yet again it's up to the community to implement rules within leagues in order to keep the competition somewhat level.

This really shows how little the devs really understand their product and where value is generated. It stems from the great and engaged community and not from short term profits generated by some hastily implemented systems. In the long run, having a thriving community is what really matters to investors.

Don't get me wrong. I am passionate about this game and want it to succeed, but I don't want to be treated like this.

+1 I saw all of this coming. I literally stopped playing this game just before the update. Only manage a league now in support of the IGP friends I've made. 

I've tried to express where the focus should be on with this game, but instead, we got these updates. 

I don't know if it's greed or arrogance, or both, but the game's direction is no longer about the community. I'm sure in the beginning, this game was a project of passion where updates and direction were motivated by the community. That's lost. 

There are some fundamental flaws and various areas of this game that needs priority (that are also basic and require far less resources than adding new engine management) that, in the long run, would be more profitable than managers spending 100 tokens to experience bugs. ?

I still manage a league but really have no interest in racing until focus and attention align with the needs of the community and less about paying for stuff like team/color name change, albeit reverted now. 
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medal 4985 Moderator
1 year 310 days ago (Last edited by Frank Thomas 1 year 310 days ago)
There's always better things in the long run, but those suggestions always assume that the resources needed to get to the time this long run starts appear magically out of thin air. As the blog around start of last year showed us the game had the long run in mind, but then we learned that a war started which not only forced the departure of the two main developers, but in doing so left the game with unfinished work and thus all the investments to find and train those capable devs and pay the work done so far never came to fruition. So the remaining crew has to do what's in their might to keep the game going and acquire, once again, the funds allowing them to find and train in capable devs and pick up the pieces to get back on track to flesh out the starting players and racing experience as well as expand the team personalization enabling them to properly sell all the visual stuff and perhaps expand the community aspect allowing those things to shine.

So yes, the current changes are not the best way to keep a level playing field, but even in hard times the devs stuck to pay to progress giving a modest edge for a limited time only while even not paying players profit by having their team development accelerated, instead of doing what everyone else does and sell outright success splitting teams in two categories, those that are paying forming the top tier and those not competing for scraps below.
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medal 5002
1 year 309 days ago
i announce that i quit game. i dont like last update and game has some bugs and support do nothing with problems when we ask. we should not support the owner of this game and give him our money. i had issue with a race which looks like some admin make fun in my account and there is a player who been harassing me but support do nothing about it not even answer me. enough is enough.
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medal 5155 SUPPORT AGENT
1 year 309 days ago

Eric
i announce that i quit game. i dont like last update and game has some bugs and support do nothing with problems when we ask. we should not support the owner of this game and give him our money. i had issue with a race which looks like some admin make fun in my account and there is a player who been harassing me but support do nothing about it not even answer me. enough is enough.

Everyone is free to leave the game, but don't tell lies. You asked me for help on an issue and you got it.
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medal 5002
1 year 308 days ago (Last edited by Eric Boutin 1 year 308 days ago)
Ovih Sapiens , no u did not help me. i said someone is sending me messages and i want to block him and u told me u mute him but he started again sending me messages and friend request many times and it was very annoying. you never told me i could block messages from my account. a normal player just told me i could go in my account settings to change the setting to block messages. why you did not told me this ? i also put a post in the support forum and nobody answered except a normal player who told me how to block messages. at least i got rid of this problem but this annoying guy sopo lulu is still here harassing people and should be banned from the game.



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medal 4985 Moderator
1 year 307 days ago
Speaking for me the problem with questions like that is sometimes things in the game appear so common you don't think about it or assume the asking manager knows about it but it isn't what that manager exactly wants. I also stumbled over your question, but unfortunately to the end of my break and was too much in a hurry to do an answer, maybe luckily so as with just enough time the answer might've been 'No, you can't block a user currently' and might've ommited the ', there's only that general block all PMs, friends only or allow all option' as I automatically thought this was another case about blocking a single person without having to shut down all PMs. After work I've forgotten about the post and only got remainded, in several ways, by the answering post and I'm sorry about that.

About banning that player, I don't know the nature of those messages but player that insult or otherwise post derogatory messages do get mutes or downright get banned depending on severity. But if it's the kind of player that's just too eager and communicative and just won't get the 'hint' that the kind of messages is felt as spam (actual come to my league type or just general seen as meaningless clutter) and not appreciated, then, as annoying those surely can be, such a player can't be banned from the game for that.
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medal 5002
1 year 306 days ago
Frank
Speaking for me the problem with questions like that is sometimes things in the game appear so common you don't think about it or assume the asking manager knows about it but it isn't what that manager exactly wants. I also stumbled over your question, but unfortunately to the end of my break and was too much in a hurry to do an answer, maybe luckily so as with just enough time the answer might've been 'No, you can't block a user currently' and might've ommited the ', there's only that general block all PMs, friends only or allow all option' as I automatically thought this was another case about blocking a single person without having to shut down all PMs. After work I've forgotten about the post and only got remainded, in several ways, by the answering post and I'm sorry about that.





Ok i accept your apologies but i guess next time you will think about saying this to the person who ask if we can block someone from sending messages. I did not know about that. I make it so only friends can send message to me.

About the game problems , i said i was gonna quit game also because one of the last race i was in , i got some issues and i felt that it might be because that guy who was annoying with me was maybe an admin. He sent me a message saying he saw the race in canada gtrack like 2 days before the race. then when that race happened , i could not change my strategy one hour before the race and it was showing heavy rain. the race started and was no rain at all. i was really confused because this looked like if they played in my account or something in the game so it gets messed up. i guess u will tell me thats impossible but i was really mad. now i do feel better and  i will wait for now and see if i can still enjoy the game.

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medal 5975
1 year 306 days ago
Are there any plans to fix what the last few updates have ruined about the game? Players are dropping like flies 
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medal 5000
1 year 306 days ago

Adam
Are there any plans to fix what the last few updates have ruined about the game? Players are dropping like flies 


Yeah they are. I’ve lost nearly 15 teams that have just up and left the game in my leagues. 

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medal 6037
1 year 304 days ago
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 
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medal 5000 Super Mod
1 year 304 days ago
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing
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medal 5562
1 year 295 days ago

Kevin
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing


I've noticed that those who making own engines also making B teams and buy their own engines. The don't run the B team in any league just prevent the others to buy the engine.

In my opinion it should be like driver transfer. So the level 5 team should not able to buy a lvl22 teams engine to prevent this.

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medal 5001
1 year 294 days ago

Nigel

Kevin
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing


I've noticed that those who making own engines also making B teams and buy their own engines. The don't run the B team in any league just prevent the others to buy the engine.

In my opinion it should be like driver transfer. So the level 5 team should not able to buy a lvl22 teams engine to prevent this.



In that case the engine manufacturer should have the right to decide whether to accept an offer to buy their engines.

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medal 5000
1 year 294 days ago

Nigel

Kevin
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing


I've noticed that those who making own engines also making B teams and buy their own engines. The don't run the B team in any league just prevent the others to buy the engine.

In my opinion it should be like driver transfer. So the level 5 team should not able to buy a lvl22 teams engine to prevent this.




So you basically want some rando to have the ability to 'steal' a manufacturer's engine. Something they worked hard at getting, either by clicking and watching countless ads or investing through tokens but yet can't do as they please with it.


Makes perfect sense ?.
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medal 5562
1 year 294 days ago

Bi

Nigel

Kevin
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing


I've noticed that those who making own engines also making B teams and buy their own engines. The don't run the B team in any league just prevent the others to buy the engine.

In my opinion it should be like driver transfer. So the level 5 team should not able to buy a lvl22 teams engine to prevent this.




So you basically want some rando to have the ability to 'steal' a manufacturer's engine. Something they worked hard at getting, either by clicking and watching countless ads or investing through tokens but yet can't do as they please with it.


Makes perfect sense ?.


So when you buy something is stealing. 

Right. Any more stupid conclusions?
What I say is that the whole engine to buy process is pointless like this. 
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medal 5000
1 year 294 days ago

Nigel

Bi

Nigel

Kevin
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing


I've noticed that those who making own engines also making B teams and buy their own engines. The don't run the B team in any league just prevent the others to buy the engine.

In my opinion it should be like driver transfer. So the level 5 team should not able to buy a lvl22 teams engine to prevent this.




So you basically want some rando to have the ability to 'steal' a manufacturer's engine. Something they worked hard at getting, either by clicking and watching countless ads or investing through tokens but yet can't do as they please with it.


Makes perfect sense ?.


So when you buy something is stealing. 

Right. Any more stupid conclusions?
What I say is that the whole engine to buy process is pointless like this. 



I manufacturer my engine, then 'you' a total rando comes and 'buys' my engine without my consent. Doesn't that make you a thief?


Do you like stealing?
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medal 5003
1 year 294 days ago
I think the manufacturer should be able to decide whether or not to sell the engine.

As for selling to accounts owned by the same person that shouldn't be allowed. Like how it was for selling staff/drivers directly
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medal 5000
1 year 294 days ago
Astro
I think the manufacturer should be able to decide whether or not to sell the engine.

As for selling to accounts owned by the same person that shouldn't be allowed. Like how it was for selling staff/drivers directly



How would that work Ghost?


Your alt account will simply go through the same process as those not yours and still get the engine.

Also why is it an issue? If I manufacture an engine, I'm doing it for myself and nobody else.
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medal 5003
1 year 294 days ago



Bi


How would that work Ghost?


Your alt account will simply go through the same process as those not yours and still get the engine.

Also why is it an issue? If I manufacture an engine, I'm doing it for myself and nobody else.


You can exploit the fact that you earn money from the costumers. Once at level 30 you can create multiple accounts to buy the engines at max cost and farm money.
They can check IPs to see if the accounts belong to the same person. Of course it's not perfect and it can be a person from the same household but distinguishing this cases shouldn't be a problem. Enforcing then penalties such as account suspension or permanent ban can discourage this behavior.

I do agree that the contract being free to however gets the link is bad.
The best way, in my opinion, is for customers to make an offer and the manufacturer can either decline or accept.

This way it reflects more on what an engine manufacturer would do, sell the product at the higher price possible.
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