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Archie Bald medal 5000
1 year 294 days ago

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How would that work Ghost?


Your alt account will simply go through the same process as those not yours and still get the engine.

Also why is it an issue? If I manufacture an engine, I'm doing it for myself and nobody else.


You can exploit the fact that you earn money from the costumers. Once at level 30 you can create multiple accounts to buy the engines at max cost and farm money.
They can check IPs to see if the accounts belong to the same person. Of course it's not perfect and it can be a person from the same household but distinguishing this cases shouldn't be a problem. Enforcing then penalties such as account suspension or permanent ban can discourage this behavior.

I do agree that the contract being free to however gets the link is bad.
The best way, in my opinion, is for customers to make an offer and the manufacturer can either decline or accept.

This way it reflects more on what an engine manufacturer would do, sell the product at the higher price possible.



You are right on the money exploitation and it could add up to a huge amount. Hopefully something to limit that can be done, though I'm doubtful the IP route is the way.


A big YES to manufacturer/customer contracts.

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Dick Dastardly medal 5001
1 year 294 days ago (Last edited by Dick Dastardly 1 year 294 days ago)
Nigel

Bi

Nigel

Kevin
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing


I've noticed that those who making own engines also making B teams and buy their own engines. The don't run the B team in any league just prevent the others to buy the engine.

In my opinion it should be like driver transfer. So the level 5 team should not able to buy a lvl22 teams engine to prevent this.




So you basically want some rando to have the ability to 'steal' a manufacturer's engine. Something they worked hard at getting, either by clicking and watching countless ads or investing through tokens but yet can't do as they please with it.


Makes perfect sense ?.


So when you buy something is stealing. 

Right. Any more stupid conclusions?
What I say is that the whole engine to buy process is pointless like this. 


Sorry Nigel what you are saying is dumb.  Managers can’t protect the engines they have designed?  Why shouldn’t my other teams benefit from the engines I have developed?  Why should anyone be able to buy them without my agreement?

As for money exploitation I’m not sure I agree.  Yes someone could do the same as Ghost says, but the counter is they could be bought by other managers anyway so no real advantage there and when someone reaches lvl 30 is in-game money really relevant I doubt it.

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Archie Bald medal 5000
1 year 294 days ago

Dick
Nigel

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Nigel

Kevin
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing


I've noticed that those who making own engines also making B teams and buy their own engines. The don't run the B team in any league just prevent the others to buy the engine.

In my opinion it should be like driver transfer. So the level 5 team should not able to buy a lvl22 teams engine to prevent this.




So you basically want some rando to have the ability to 'steal' a manufacturer's engine. Something they worked hard at getting, either by clicking and watching countless ads or investing through tokens but yet can't do as they please with it.


Makes perfect sense ?.


So when you buy something is stealing. 

Right. Any more stupid conclusions?
What I say is that the whole engine to buy process is pointless like this. 


Sorry Nigel what you are saying is dumb.  Managers can’t protect the engines they have designed?  Why shouldn’t my other teams benefit from the engines I have developed?  Why should anyone be able to buy them without my agreement?

As for money exploitation I’m not sure I agree.  Yes someone could do the same as Ghost says, but the counter is they could be bought by other managers anyway so no real advantage there and when someone reaches lvl 30 is in-game money really relevant I doubt it.




That's actually true on the money stuff. Good point ?.

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Nigel Hill medal 5562
1 year 294 days ago

Bi

Nigel

Bi

Nigel

Kevin
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing


I've noticed that those who making own engines also making B teams and buy their own engines. The don't run the B team in any league just prevent the others to buy the engine.

In my opinion it should be like driver transfer. So the level 5 team should not able to buy a lvl22 teams engine to prevent this.




So you basically want some rando to have the ability to 'steal' a manufacturer's engine. Something they worked hard at getting, either by clicking and watching countless ads or investing through tokens but yet can't do as they please with it.


Makes perfect sense ?.


So when you buy something is stealing. 

Right. Any more stupid conclusions?
What I say is that the whole engine to buy process is pointless like this. 



I manufacturer my engine, then 'you' a total rando comes and 'buys' my engine without my consent. Doesn't that make you a thief?


Do you like stealing?



You don't understand me. Until the game let the players to buy customer engine it should be fine regardless if it's a good in the game or not. I think to make a B team, and buy your A team engine and but not running the B team in any league is kind of a play a loophole. And that can be called cheating. Do you like cheating?
Anyway all I've done was to mansion a mention a common case in the game. I use stock engines, not interested to buy customer engine or develop my own at the moment. Just noticed that while I was surfing leagues and players.

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Skid Solo medal 5065
1 year 294 days ago (Last edited by Skid Solo 1 year 293 days ago)
Nigel

Bi

Nigel

Bi

Nigel

Kevin
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing


I've noticed that those who making own engines also making B teams and buy their own engines. The don't run the B team in any league just prevent the others to buy the engine.

In my opinion it should be like driver transfer. So the level 5 team should not able to buy a lvl22 teams engine to prevent this.




So you basically want some rando to have the ability to 'steal' a manufacturer's engine. Something they worked hard at getting, either by clicking and watching countless ads or investing through tokens but yet can't do as they please with it.


Makes perfect sense ?.


So when you buy something is stealing. 

Right. Any more stupid conclusions?
What I say is that the whole engine to buy process is pointless like this. 



I manufacturer my engine, then 'you' a total rando comes and 'buys' my engine without my consent. Doesn't that make you a thief?


Do you like stealing?



You don't understand me. Until the game let the players to buy customer engine it should be fine regardless if it's a good in the game or not. I think to make a B team, and buy your A team engine and but not running the B team in any league is kind of a play a loophole. And that can be called cheating. Do you like cheating?
Anyway all I've done was to mansion a mention a common case in the game. I use stock engines, not interested to buy customer engine or develop my own at the moment. Just noticed that while I was surfing leagues and players.



I’m not aware of anyone doing this, but if they do how is it cheating?  They are not gaining an advantage, but just protecting their property from others.  I have a random manager using one of my engines.  It doesn’t bother me as they aren’t in my league, although I would want the ability to reject an offer if I didn’t consider in my best interest.

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Archie Bald medal 5000
1 year 294 days ago

Nigel

Bi

Nigel

Bi

Nigel

Kevin
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing


I've noticed that those who making own engines also making B teams and buy their own engines. The don't run the B team in any league just prevent the others to buy the engine.

In my opinion it should be like driver transfer. So the level 5 team should not able to buy a lvl22 teams engine to prevent this.




So you basically want some rando to have the ability to 'steal' a manufacturer's engine. Something they worked hard at getting, either by clicking and watching countless ads or investing through tokens but yet can't do as they please with it.


Makes perfect sense ?.


So when you buy something is stealing. 

Right. Any more stupid conclusions?
What I say is that the whole engine to buy process is pointless like this. 



I manufacturer my engine, then 'you' a total rando comes and 'buys' my engine without my consent. Doesn't that make you a thief?


Do you like stealing?



You don't understand me. Until the game let the players to buy customer engine it should be fine regardless if it's a good in the game or not. I think to make a B team, and buy your A team engine and but not running the B team in any league is kind of a play a loophole. And that can be called cheating. Do you like cheating?
Anyway all I've done was to mansion a mention a common case in the game. I use stock engines, not interested to buy customer engine or develop my own at the moment. Just noticed that while I was surfing leagues and players.




Stop doubling down on nonsense.
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Nigel Hill medal 5562
1 year 293 days ago

Bi

Stop doubling down on nonsense.


Just stop replying like a goofy.  I explained my point and it's your fault if you don't understand it.

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Archie Bald medal 5000
1 year 293 days ago (Last edited by Archie Bald 1 year 293 days ago)
Nigel

Bi

Stop doubling down on nonsense.


Just stop replying like a goofy.  I explained my point and it's your fault if you don't understand it.




Your point is nonsense.

‘A player is cheating for blocking others from using their engines’.

When you read that point you made, it honestly makes sense to you?
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Nicholas Christopher Arthur medal 5460
1 year 292 days ago
any update when the chassis suplier date release?
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Brady Anderson medal 5000
1 year 292 days ago
i dont think blocking others from using your engines is cheating
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Antonio Ascari medal 5619
1 year 292 days ago

Nigel

Bi

Nigel

Bi

Nigel

Kevin
Graeme
if u manufacter a engine can you u swap it back to the original engine u had in the car 

No... A Guide to Engine Manufacturing


I've noticed that those who making own engines also making B teams and buy their own engines. The don't run the B team in any league just prevent the others to buy the engine.

In my opinion it should be like driver transfer. So the level 5 team should not able to buy a lvl22 teams engine to prevent this.




So you basically want some rando to have the ability to 'steal' a manufacturer's engine. Something they worked hard at getting, either by clicking and watching countless ads or investing through tokens but yet can't do as they please with it.


Makes perfect sense ?.


So when you buy something is stealing. 

Right. Any more stupid conclusions?
What I say is that the whole engine to buy process is pointless like this. 



I manufacturer my engine, then 'you' a total rando comes and 'buys' my engine without my consent. Doesn't that make you a thief?


Do you like stealing?



You don't understand me. Until the game let the players to buy customer engine it should be fine regardless if it's a good in the game or not. I think to make a B team, and buy your A team engine and but not running the B team in any league is kind of a play a loophole. And that can be called cheating. Do you like cheating?
Anyway all I've done was to mansion a mention a common case in the game. I use stock engines, not interested to buy customer engine or develop my own at the moment. Just noticed that while I was surfing leagues and players.



I would describe it as protecting an engine the owner put tokens or time watching adds into. It’s not blocking other players, it’s protecting something valuable.
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Frank Thomas medal 4985 Moderator
1 year 291 days ago (Last edited by Frank Thomas 1 year 291 days ago)
It's a tricky thing as both sides have a point. Using a secondary account as customer, especially one never intended to actually use it, generating income (or less loss) and to block others, especially own league, from using the engine is not how the game in general and this feature is meant to be played and thus by definition cheating by using an exploit.

However this game mechanic doesn't work. Having some random, especially inactive, teams clogging up customer slots can't be how it's supposed to be. Forcing an engine manufacturer to take into account that an opponent is allowed to use the engine doesn't really work either. It's too much of a drawback for a manufacturer having to life with the disadvantages during developing the engine and forced to be stuck with it at all times while the non manufacturer can just select the best engine at any time isn't exactly balanced. For the non manufacturer it doesn't really work as the manufacturer can change the engine at any time without notice or costs and I'm pretty sure checking out why fuel in that no-refueling race is off to find that big Acc bonus suddenly became FE is not what a customer is looking for. (Or with lvl 30 and TE the weakness FE instead of reliability/braking).
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Archie Bald medal 5000
1 year 291 days ago
Frank
It's a tricky thing as both sides have a point. Using a secondary account as customer, especially one never intended to actually use it, generating income (or less loss) and to block others, especially own league, from using the engine is not how the game in general and this feature is meant to be played and thus by definition cheating by using an exploit.

However this game mechanic doesn't work. Having some random, especially inactive, teams clogging up customer slots can't be how it's supposed to be. Forcing an engine manufacturer to take into account that an opponent is allowed to use the engine doesn't really work either. It's too much of a drawback for a manufacturer having to life with the disadvantages during developing the engine and forced to be stuck with it at all times while the non manufacturer can just select the best engine at any time isn't exactly balanced. For the non manufacturer it doesn't really work as the manufacturer can change the engine at any time without notice or costs and I'm pretty sure checking out why fuel in that no-refueling race is off to find that big Acc bonus suddenly became FE is not what a customer is looking for. (Or with lvl 30 and TE the weakness FE instead of reliability/braking).



I'm sorry Frank I totally disagree.


Are you saying offline players are cheaters simply because that's not how the game is meant to be played???

As long as the devs have not put in place a method to accept or reject customers, it's totally absurd to expect a manufacturer to share his/her engines with anyone, especially a league mate.

This is not an exploit but a design flaw and quite frankly find it annoying the blame is being put on the players.
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Skid Solo medal 5065
1 year 291 days ago

Frank
It's a tricky thing as both sides have a point. Using a secondary account as customer, especially one never intended to actually use it, generating income (or less loss) and to block others, especially own league, from using the engine is not how the game in general and this feature is meant to be played and thus by definition cheating by using an exploit.

However this game mechanic doesn't work. Having some random, especially inactive, teams clogging up customer slots can't be how it's supposed to be. Forcing an engine manufacturer to take into account that an opponent is allowed to use the engine doesn't really work either. It's too much of a drawback for a manufacturer having to life with the disadvantages during developing the engine and forced to be stuck with it at all times while the non manufacturer can just select the best engine at any time isn't exactly balanced. For the non manufacturer it doesn't really work as the manufacturer can change the engine at any time without notice or costs and I'm pretty sure checking out why fuel in that no-refueling race is off to find that big Acc bonus suddenly became FE is not what a customer is looking for. (Or with lvl 30 and TE the weakness FE instead of reliability/braking).


So should I be able to use your drivers when you aren’t racing?  The only exploit here is a badly thought out game feature that really needs an Accept/Reject button.

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Brady Anderson medal 5000
1 year 291 days ago
dont think thats possible
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Notario Malatesta medal 5002
1 year 291 days ago
I'm interested in knowing if the devs are collecting feedback and planning to balance the new drivers' skills. And with this, I mean obviously the legendary racecraft one. 

I understand that it's expensive so it has to be great and noticeable in the race result but as it is right now is a complete non sense. 

I feel like the wet racing and the street racing skills are OK to be overpowered because they are very specific and you will only get the benefit from them in a few races during the season, but the racecraft one is literally broken and you get the HUGE benefit in every race. Since this skill has been introduced, the qualifying has lost all the importance in the GP since you can just start P12 and get to P3 on the 1st lap flying above everyone...

But with this said, I just would like to know if there are plans to balance the skills or if they are going to stay like this forever, in wich case I guess I will have to save tokens to buy them in order to be competitive again or just leave the game because as it is right now every logic was lost.
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Kevin Bissell medal 5000 Super Mod
1 year 291 days ago
I don't know what the Devs future plans are for Driver skills, but there will be some pretty unhappy people if Racecraft is nerfed any time soon.

Some people have seen the benefit of the skills and have spent real money purchasing tokens in order to get the skill. Remember, 200 tokens is a little over £14.99 GBP per driver. In a two car league we're talking about a £30+ investment to equip both drivers with Legendary racecraft.

If you purchase something you don't expect it to be rendered worthless a few weeks later. That would be the ultimate scam.

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Hakan Ahmed medal 6152
1 year 291 days ago

Kevin
I don't know what the Devs future plans are for Driver skills, but there will be some pretty unhappy people if Racecraft is nerfed any time soon.

Some people have seen the benefit of the skills and have spent real money purchasing tokens in order to get the skill. Remember, 200 tokens is a little over £14.99 GBP per driver. In a two car league we're talking about a £30+ investment to equip both drivers with Legendary racecraft.

If you purchase something you don't expect it to be rendered worthless a few weeks later. That would be the ultimate scam.




Is it "legendary racecraft" or "racecraft" cos i aint seen the legendary one yet
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Kevin Bissell medal 5000 Super Mod
1 year 291 days ago
All skills come in three levels, Common, Rare and Legendary. To get "Common Racecraft" costs 100 tokens, Rare is 150 tokens and Legendary 200 tokens. Quite a significant investment after you already spent 70 tokens promoting a T30 driver from your academy.
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Notario Malatesta medal 5002
1 year 291 days ago

Kevin
I don't know what the Devs future plans are for Driver skills, but there will be some pretty unhappy people if Racecraft is nerfed any time soon.

Some people have seen the benefit of the skills and have spent real money purchasing tokens in order to get the skill. Remember, 200 tokens is a little over £14.99 GBP per driver. In a two car league we're talking about a £30+ investment to equip both drivers with Legendary racecraft.

If you purchase something you don't expect it to be rendered worthless a few weeks later. That would be the ultimate scam.




Of course, I'm aware of all that but in this kind of online games this stuff happens all the time. Devs introduce new mechanics in their games, then something results to be absolutely broken and unfair for most of the players and the devs end up having to balance it in the best way possible (without making it useless of course). It's like an endless cycle in this games.


I don't know how we pretend to have new players coming into the game if we keep placing obstacles in their way... When new players finally climb to Elite they just feel overwhelmed with all the stuff they have to get in order to be competitive in that top division.
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