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1 year 296 days ago (Last edited by Dick Dastardly 1 year 296 days ago)
Blavio
Kevin
Dick

I’m aware of that and believe my points still stand.  Jose has mentioned T30 but did not say they would be available on Monday.  How will you be able to buy a T30 driver when your level is 20?  

In exacltly the same way as low level Managers buy a T20 driver today. The restriction on buying drivers is related to their level and we're talking about talent.

Currently low level academies spew out the occasional T20 driver, if the facilities are just rescaled as suggested by José why wouldn't the occasional T30 driver be generated by a L20 academy?

First of all I apologise for this exceedingly long rant, but do give it a read.


For sometime now I have been proposing that all players should have equal DRS irrespective of their tech levels. Like capped at lets say additional 20 km/h. Technology level shouldn’t influence it, as in real world.

My reason is fairly simple, it is frustrating to get passed by a Level 16+ when both have DRS. The most common response I receive to this argument by Level 18 - Level 20 managers is We have all experienced through this once so should you too. I say alright fair enough.

Now coming to the drivers, occasionally my academy Level 12 and above spits out T20 drivers, that’s 3/5 of the existing levels. Under the new setting if we assume the occasional now T30 drivers start spawning in the academy at 3/5, of the new cap L30, then I wouldn’t find any T30 until I reach Level 18. So as a Level 14 player I am subjected to 4 more levels until I get a hand at a T30 driver (supposedly the best ones), while those who are already Level 18, have been enjoying the current T20s since Level 12 and in case the T30 start spawing from 31st January, they will still have a chance at a T30.

I wonder then what happens to my version of their great argument: You guys had your chance of being benefited by the most talented drivers in game for over 6 levels, so I should too

Not to forget that the transition from Level 14 to Level 18 is a time consuming one. So no matter what the devs say about bringing more to the game, I am pretty sure it kills the same for mid level managers, if the best drivers start appearing at the same checkpoint i.e., 3/5 of the level cap.


This is a game which been running for over 10 years.  You seem to have a such a strong sense of entitlement and believe you should you be given the opportunity to skip through the grind everyone else has had to go through?  I can’t think of any valid why.  

You might think that’s unfair, but anything else wouldn’t be fair to those who have worked through the levels.  

If you are a mid tier manager as you say then you should be competitive with other mid tier managers rather than expecting to compete with higher tier managers (note higher tier does not necessarily mean a good manager in same way mid tier does not necessarily mean an average manager).
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medal 5295
1 year 296 days ago

Blavio
Kevin
Dick

I’m aware of that and believe my points still stand.  Jose has mentioned T30 but did not say they would be available on Monday.  How will you be able to buy a T30 driver when your level is 20?  

In exacltly the same way as low level Managers buy a T20 driver today. The restriction on buying drivers is related to their level and we're talking about talent.

Currently low level academies spew out the occasional T20 driver, if the facilities are just rescaled as suggested by José why wouldn't the occasional T30 driver be generated by a L20 academy?

First of all I apologise for this exceedingly long rant, but do give it a read.


For sometime now I have been proposing that all players should have equal DRS irrespective of their tech levels. Like capped at lets say additional 20 km/h. Technology level shouldn’t influence it, as in real world.

My reason is fairly simple, it is frustrating to get passed by a Level 16+ when both have DRS. The most common response I receive to this argument by Level 18 - Level 20 managers is We have all experienced through this once so should you too. I say alright fair enough.

Now coming to the drivers, occasionally my academy Level 12 and above spits out T20 drivers, that’s 3/5 of the existing levels. Under the new setting if we assume the occasional now T30 drivers start spawning in the academy at 3/5, of the new cap L30, then I wouldn’t find any T30 until I reach Level 18. So as a Level 14 player I am subjected to 4 more levels until I get a hand at a T30 driver (supposedly the best ones), while those who are already Level 18, have been enjoying the current T20s since Level 12 and in case the T30 start spawing from 31st January, they will still have a chance at a T30.

I wonder then what happens to my version of their great argument: You guys had your chance of being benefited by the most talented drivers in game for over 6 levels, so I should too

Not to forget that the transition from Level 14 to Level 18 is a time consuming one. So no matter what the devs say about bringing more to the game, I am pretty sure it kills the same for mid level managers, if the best drivers start appearing at the same checkpoint i.e., 3/5 of the level cap.


I believe a stronger drs and boost for higher level managers is pure logic, if it’s not there, you have nothing to aspire for, no goal to fight for, no reason to keep going, no improvement path to go for.


Should you, as a lvl 14 player have access to the same yda drivers, same drs and same boost, why grind all the way up to level 20? Why have higher levels then 14 if you have it all at level 14? there would be no purpose in leveling up further.

So from a gaming point of view, higher level managers should have their perks, it makes perfect sense because you need the mid level managers to want to do the grind, you want them to slowly advance until they reach the same “weapons” as the “big boys”.

I think you underestimate the power of mid level managers advancing step by step and trying, and most importantly, improving in beating “the big boys”
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medal 5478
1 year 296 days ago
Antonio

Blavio
Kevin
Dick

I’m aware of that and believe my points still stand.  Jose has mentioned T30 but did not say they would be available on Monday.  How will you be able to buy a T30 driver when your level is 20?  

In exacltly the same way as low level Managers buy a T20 driver today. The restriction on buying drivers is related to their level and we're talking about talent.

Currently low level academies spew out the occasional T20 driver, if the facilities are just rescaled as suggested by José why wouldn't the occasional T30 driver be generated by a L20 academy?

First of all I apologise for this exceedingly long rant, but do give it a read.


For sometime now I have been proposing that all players should have equal DRS irrespective of their tech levels. Like capped at lets say additional 20 km/h. Technology level shouldn’t influence it, as in real world.

My reason is fairly simple, it is frustrating to get passed by a Level 16+ when both have DRS. The most common response I receive to this argument by Level 18 - Level 20 managers is We have all experienced through this once so should you too. I say alright fair enough.

Now coming to the drivers, occasionally my academy Level 12 and above spits out T20 drivers, that’s 3/5 of the existing levels. Under the new setting if we assume the occasional now T30 drivers start spawning in the academy at 3/5, of the new cap L30, then I wouldn’t find any T30 until I reach Level 18. So as a Level 14 player I am subjected to 4 more levels until I get a hand at a T30 driver (supposedly the best ones), while those who are already Level 18, have been enjoying the current T20s since Level 12 and in case the T30 start spawing from 31st January, they will still have a chance at a T30.

I wonder then what happens to my version of their great argument: You guys had your chance of being benefited by the most talented drivers in game for over 6 levels, so I should too

Not to forget that the transition from Level 14 to Level 18 is a time consuming one. So no matter what the devs say about bringing more to the game, I am pretty sure it kills the same for mid level managers, if the best drivers start appearing at the same checkpoint i.e., 3/5 of the level cap.


I believe a stronger drs and boost for higher level managers is pure logic, if it’s not there, you have nothing to aspire for, no goal to fight for, no reason to keep going, no improvement path to go for.


Should you, as a lvl 14 player have access to the same yda drivers, same drs and same boost, why grind all the way up to level 20? Why have higher levels then 14 if you have it all at level 14? there would be no purpose in leveling up further.

So from a gaming point of view, higher level managers should have their perks, it makes perfect sense because you need the mid level managers to want to do the grind, you want them to slowly advance until they reach the same “weapons” as the “big boys”.

I think you underestimate the power of mid level managers advancing step by step and trying, and most importantly, improving in beating “the big boys”


You are taking what I said completely out of context. 


Yes I wish all drivers had equal DRS, but since all other higher level managers have worked their way through to the levels, Listening to their side of the argument I am a 100% fine with the fact that DRS strength is proportional to the tech level as has been the case for everyone else.

My original point was regarding the drivers with the highest talent which is now T20 and with the update will be T30.

My point is that under the current setting, T20s appear 3/5 of the way to the highest level, i.e., Level 12 academy and upward. So logic suggests Level 18 to Level 20 managers have enjoyed the benefits of having the most talented drivers drive for them, for over 6 levels now.

Now coming to the updates, if this rescales like everything else (which I am not sure of though) then 3/5 of the way to the highest level becomes Level 18. So anyone currently Level 18 and above will straight away have access to the occasional T30s from the academy. While as a level 15 I have to spend 3 levels with statistically worse drivers, i.e., until I reach Level 18. So everyone currently Level 18 upwards possibly had their hand at the most talented drivers for 6 levels and counting, while I have had the same benefit for 3 levels.

The DRS thing was merely an example highlighting the fact that some but not all managers have an issue with updates / changes that advantage the mid level drivers, while are totally fine when changes like the driver talent upgrade actively disadvantage us.

I am totally fine if T30s appear in the transfer market straight away, since those usually cost a lot, my only issue is with academies spitting out T30s to the Level 18 - Level 20s straight away, since the drivers cost less.
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medal 5000
1 year 296 days ago

Blavio
Antonio

Blavio
Kevin
Dick

I’m aware of that and believe my points still stand.  Jose has mentioned T30 but did not say they would be available on Monday.  How will you be able to buy a T30 driver when your level is 20?  

In exacltly the same way as low level Managers buy a T20 driver today. The restriction on buying drivers is related to their level and we're talking about talent.

Currently low level academies spew out the occasional T20 driver, if the facilities are just rescaled as suggested by José why wouldn't the occasional T30 driver be generated by a L20 academy?

First of all I apologise for this exceedingly long rant, but do give it a read.


For sometime now I have been proposing that all players should have equal DRS irrespective of their tech levels. Like capped at lets say additional 20 km/h. Technology level shouldn’t influence it, as in real world.

My reason is fairly simple, it is frustrating to get passed by a Level 16+ when both have DRS. The most common response I receive to this argument by Level 18 - Level 20 managers is We have all experienced through this once so should you too. I say alright fair enough.

Now coming to the drivers, occasionally my academy Level 12 and above spits out T20 drivers, that’s 3/5 of the existing levels. Under the new setting if we assume the occasional now T30 drivers start spawning in the academy at 3/5, of the new cap L30, then I wouldn’t find any T30 until I reach Level 18. So as a Level 14 player I am subjected to 4 more levels until I get a hand at a T30 driver (supposedly the best ones), while those who are already Level 18, have been enjoying the current T20s since Level 12 and in case the T30 start spawing from 31st January, they will still have a chance at a T30.

I wonder then what happens to my version of their great argument: You guys had your chance of being benefited by the most talented drivers in game for over 6 levels, so I should too

Not to forget that the transition from Level 14 to Level 18 is a time consuming one. So no matter what the devs say about bringing more to the game, I am pretty sure it kills the same for mid level managers, if the best drivers start appearing at the same checkpoint i.e., 3/5 of the level cap.


I believe a stronger drs and boost for higher level managers is pure logic, if it’s not there, you have nothing to aspire for, no goal to fight for, no reason to keep going, no improvement path to go for.


Should you, as a lvl 14 player have access to the same yda drivers, same drs and same boost, why grind all the way up to level 20? Why have higher levels then 14 if you have it all at level 14? there would be no purpose in leveling up further.

So from a gaming point of view, higher level managers should have their perks, it makes perfect sense because you need the mid level managers to want to do the grind, you want them to slowly advance until they reach the same “weapons” as the “big boys”.

I think you underestimate the power of mid level managers advancing step by step and trying, and most importantly, improving in beating “the big boys”


You are taking what I said completely out of context. 


Yes I wish all drivers had equal DRS, but since all other higher level managers have worked their way through to the levels, Listening to their side of the argument I am a 100% fine with the fact that DRS strength is proportional to the tech level as has been the case for everyone else.

My original point was regarding the drivers with the highest talent which is now T20 and with the update will be T30.

My point is that under the current setting, T20s appear 3/5 of the way to the highest level, i.e., Level 12 academy and upward. So logic suggests Level 18 to Level 20 managers have enjoyed the benefits of having the most talented drivers drive for them, for over 6 levels now.

Now coming to the updates, if this rescales like everything else (which I am not sure of though) then 3/5 of the way to the highest level becomes Level 18. So anyone currently Level 18 and above will straight away have access to the occasional T30s from the academy. While as a level 15 I have to spend 3 levels with statistically worse drivers, i.e., until I reach Level 18. So everyone currently Level 18 upwards possibly had their hand at the most talented drivers for 6 levels and counting, while I have had the same benefit for 3 levels.

The DRS thing was merely an example highlighting the fact that some but not all managers have an issue with updates / changes that advantage the mid level drivers, while are totally fine when changes like the driver talent upgrade actively disadvantage us.

I am totally fine if T30s appear in the transfer market straight away, since those usually cost a lot, my only issue is with academies spitting out T30s to the Level 18 - Level 20s straight away, since the drivers cost less.


I wouldn’t exactly listen to people who use Flavio Briatore as their profile picture

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medal 5295
1 year 296 days ago

Blavio
Antonio

Blavio
Kevin
Dick

I’m aware of that and believe my points still stand.  Jose has mentioned T30 but did not say they would be available on Monday.  How will you be able to buy a T30 driver when your level is 20?  

In exacltly the same way as low level Managers buy a T20 driver today. The restriction on buying drivers is related to their level and we're talking about talent.

Currently low level academies spew out the occasional T20 driver, if the facilities are just rescaled as suggested by José why wouldn't the occasional T30 driver be generated by a L20 academy?

First of all I apologise for this exceedingly long rant, but do give it a read.


For sometime now I have been proposing that all players should have equal DRS irrespective of their tech levels. Like capped at lets say additional 20 km/h. Technology level shouldn’t influence it, as in real world.

My reason is fairly simple, it is frustrating to get passed by a Level 16+ when both have DRS. The most common response I receive to this argument by Level 18 - Level 20 managers is We have all experienced through this once so should you too. I say alright fair enough.

Now coming to the drivers, occasionally my academy Level 12 and above spits out T20 drivers, that’s 3/5 of the existing levels. Under the new setting if we assume the occasional now T30 drivers start spawning in the academy at 3/5, of the new cap L30, then I wouldn’t find any T30 until I reach Level 18. So as a Level 14 player I am subjected to 4 more levels until I get a hand at a T30 driver (supposedly the best ones), while those who are already Level 18, have been enjoying the current T20s since Level 12 and in case the T30 start spawing from 31st January, they will still have a chance at a T30.

I wonder then what happens to my version of their great argument: You guys had your chance of being benefited by the most talented drivers in game for over 6 levels, so I should too

Not to forget that the transition from Level 14 to Level 18 is a time consuming one. So no matter what the devs say about bringing more to the game, I am pretty sure it kills the same for mid level managers, if the best drivers start appearing at the same checkpoint i.e., 3/5 of the level cap.


I believe a stronger drs and boost for higher level managers is pure logic, if it’s not there, you have nothing to aspire for, no goal to fight for, no reason to keep going, no improvement path to go for.


Should you, as a lvl 14 player have access to the same yda drivers, same drs and same boost, why grind all the way up to level 20? Why have higher levels then 14 if you have it all at level 14? there would be no purpose in leveling up further.

So from a gaming point of view, higher level managers should have their perks, it makes perfect sense because you need the mid level managers to want to do the grind, you want them to slowly advance until they reach the same “weapons” as the “big boys”.

I think you underestimate the power of mid level managers advancing step by step and trying, and most importantly, improving in beating “the big boys”


You are taking what I said completely out of context. 


Yes I wish all drivers had equal DRS, but since all other higher level managers have worked their way through to the levels, Listening to their side of the argument I am a 100% fine with the fact that DRS strength is proportional to the tech level as has been the case for everyone else.

My original point was regarding the drivers with the highest talent which is now T20 and with the update will be T30.

My point is that under the current setting, T20s appear 3/5 of the way to the highest level, i.e., Level 12 academy and upward. So logic suggests Level 18 to Level 20 managers have enjoyed the benefits of having the most talented drivers drive for them, for over 6 levels now.

Now coming to the updates, if this rescales like everything else (which I am not sure of though) then 3/5 of the way to the highest level becomes Level 18. So anyone currently Level 18 and above will straight away have access to the occasional T30s from the academy. While as a level 15 I have to spend 3 levels with statistically worse drivers, i.e., until I reach Level 18. So everyone currently Level 18 upwards possibly had their hand at the most talented drivers for 6 levels and counting, while I have had the same benefit for 3 levels.

The DRS thing was merely an example highlighting the fact that some but not all managers have an issue with updates / changes that advantage the mid level drivers, while are totally fine when changes like the driver talent upgrade actively disadvantage us.

I am totally fine if T30s appear in the transfer market straight away, since those usually cost a lot, my only issue is with academies spitting out T30s to the Level 18 - Level 20s straight away, since the drivers cost less.


access to talent 30 drivers is one of those perks for higher level managers. 

So you see, it was not out of context at all

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medal 5478
1 year 296 days ago
Antonio

Blavio
Antonio

Blavio
Kevin
Dick

I’m aware of that and believe my points still stand.  Jose has mentioned T30 but did not say they would be available on Monday.  How will you be able to buy a T30 driver when your level is 20?  

In exacltly the same way as low level Managers buy a T20 driver today. The restriction on buying drivers is related to their level and we're talking about talent.

Currently low level academies spew out the occasional T20 driver, if the facilities are just rescaled as suggested by José why wouldn't the occasional T30 driver be generated by a L20 academy?

First of all I apologise for this exceedingly long rant, but do give it a read.


For sometime now I have been proposing that all players should have equal DRS irrespective of their tech levels. Like capped at lets say additional 20 km/h. Technology level shouldn’t influence it, as in real world.

My reason is fairly simple, it is frustrating to get passed by a Level 16+ when both have DRS. The most common response I receive to this argument by Level 18 - Level 20 managers is We have all experienced through this once so should you too. I say alright fair enough.

Now coming to the drivers, occasionally my academy Level 12 and above spits out T20 drivers, that’s 3/5 of the existing levels. Under the new setting if we assume the occasional now T30 drivers start spawning in the academy at 3/5, of the new cap L30, then I wouldn’t find any T30 until I reach Level 18. So as a Level 14 player I am subjected to 4 more levels until I get a hand at a T30 driver (supposedly the best ones), while those who are already Level 18, have been enjoying the current T20s since Level 12 and in case the T30 start spawing from 31st January, they will still have a chance at a T30.

I wonder then what happens to my version of their great argument: You guys had your chance of being benefited by the most talented drivers in game for over 6 levels, so I should too

Not to forget that the transition from Level 14 to Level 18 is a time consuming one. So no matter what the devs say about bringing more to the game, I am pretty sure it kills the same for mid level managers, if the best drivers start appearing at the same checkpoint i.e., 3/5 of the level cap.


I believe a stronger drs and boost for higher level managers is pure logic, if it’s not there, you have nothing to aspire for, no goal to fight for, no reason to keep going, no improvement path to go for.


Should you, as a lvl 14 player have access to the same yda drivers, same drs and same boost, why grind all the way up to level 20? Why have higher levels then 14 if you have it all at level 14? there would be no purpose in leveling up further.

So from a gaming point of view, higher level managers should have their perks, it makes perfect sense because you need the mid level managers to want to do the grind, you want them to slowly advance until they reach the same “weapons” as the “big boys”.

I think you underestimate the power of mid level managers advancing step by step and trying, and most importantly, improving in beating “the big boys”


You are taking what I said completely out of context. 


Yes I wish all drivers had equal DRS, but since all other higher level managers have worked their way through to the levels, Listening to their side of the argument I am a 100% fine with the fact that DRS strength is proportional to the tech level as has been the case for everyone else.

My original point was regarding the drivers with the highest talent which is now T20 and with the update will be T30.

My point is that under the current setting, T20s appear 3/5 of the way to the highest level, i.e., Level 12 academy and upward. So logic suggests Level 18 to Level 20 managers have enjoyed the benefits of having the most talented drivers drive for them, for over 6 levels now.

Now coming to the updates, if this rescales like everything else (which I am not sure of though) then 3/5 of the way to the highest level becomes Level 18. So anyone currently Level 18 and above will straight away have access to the occasional T30s from the academy. While as a level 15 I have to spend 3 levels with statistically worse drivers, i.e., until I reach Level 18. So everyone currently Level 18 upwards possibly had their hand at the most talented drivers for 6 levels and counting, while I have had the same benefit for 3 levels.

The DRS thing was merely an example highlighting the fact that some but not all managers have an issue with updates / changes that advantage the mid level drivers, while are totally fine when changes like the driver talent upgrade actively disadvantage us.

I am totally fine if T30s appear in the transfer market straight away, since those usually cost a lot, my only issue is with academies spitting out T30s to the Level 18 - Level 20s straight away, since the drivers cost less.


access to talent 30 drivers is one of those perks for higher level managers. 

So you see, it was not out of context at all


You made the whole thing about DRS when it wasn’t meant to be.


And that changes the difficulty of the path taken by different groups to get there. One group clearly benefited in the past with access to the best drivers in the game, when they were between Level 12 and Level 20. And the other group which is now between Level 12 and Level 17 is deprived of the same benefit, in this case access to T30s.

If higher level want mid level managers to experience the same progression in terms of tech (DRS specifically), why is it a crime for a mid level manager to expect the benefit of the best drivers like the higher level managers once had.

All I wish is for everyone regardless if they started playing the browser edition 10 years ago, or installs it after the update arrives, have the same path / progression.

If the talent of the existing drivers scaled exclusively and not the other attributes, then the update would have been fair to everyone.

In simpler terms we all are getting different values for the same amount of investment into the drivers which is unfair to some.
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medal 5002
1 year 296 days ago

Blavio
Antonio

Blavio
Antonio

Blavio
Kevin
Dick

I’m aware of that and believe my points still stand.  Jose has mentioned T30 but did not say they would be available on Monday.  How will you be able to buy a T30 driver when your level is 20?  

In exacltly the same way as low level Managers buy a T20 driver today. The restriction on buying drivers is related to their level and we're talking about talent.

Currently low level academies spew out the occasional T20 driver, if the facilities are just rescaled as suggested by José why wouldn't the occasional T30 driver be generated by a L20 academy?

First of all I apologise for this exceedingly long rant, but do give it a read.


For sometime now I have been proposing that all players should have equal DRS irrespective of their tech levels. Like capped at lets say additional 20 km/h. Technology level shouldn’t influence it, as in real world.

My reason is fairly simple, it is frustrating to get passed by a Level 16+ when both have DRS. The most common response I receive to this argument by Level 18 - Level 20 managers is We have all experienced through this once so should you too. I say alright fair enough.

Now coming to the drivers, occasionally my academy Level 12 and above spits out T20 drivers, that’s 3/5 of the existing levels. Under the new setting if we assume the occasional now T30 drivers start spawning in the academy at 3/5, of the new cap L30, then I wouldn’t find any T30 until I reach Level 18. So as a Level 14 player I am subjected to 4 more levels until I get a hand at a T30 driver (supposedly the best ones), while those who are already Level 18, have been enjoying the current T20s since Level 12 and in case the T30 start spawing from 31st January, they will still have a chance at a T30.

I wonder then what happens to my version of their great argument: You guys had your chance of being benefited by the most talented drivers in game for over 6 levels, so I should too

Not to forget that the transition from Level 14 to Level 18 is a time consuming one. So no matter what the devs say about bringing more to the game, I am pretty sure it kills the same for mid level managers, if the best drivers start appearing at the same checkpoint i.e., 3/5 of the level cap.


I believe a stronger drs and boost for higher level managers is pure logic, if it’s not there, you have nothing to aspire for, no goal to fight for, no reason to keep going, no improvement path to go for.


Should you, as a lvl 14 player have access to the same yda drivers, same drs and same boost, why grind all the way up to level 20? Why have higher levels then 14 if you have it all at level 14? there would be no purpose in leveling up further.

So from a gaming point of view, higher level managers should have their perks, it makes perfect sense because you need the mid level managers to want to do the grind, you want them to slowly advance until they reach the same “weapons” as the “big boys”.

I think you underestimate the power of mid level managers advancing step by step and trying, and most importantly, improving in beating “the big boys”


You are taking what I said completely out of context. 


Yes I wish all drivers had equal DRS, but since all other higher level managers have worked their way through to the levels, Listening to their side of the argument I am a 100% fine with the fact that DRS strength is proportional to the tech level as has been the case for everyone else.

My original point was regarding the drivers with the highest talent which is now T20 and with the update will be T30.

My point is that under the current setting, T20s appear 3/5 of the way to the highest level, i.e., Level 12 academy and upward. So logic suggests Level 18 to Level 20 managers have enjoyed the benefits of having the most talented drivers drive for them, for over 6 levels now.

Now coming to the updates, if this rescales like everything else (which I am not sure of though) then 3/5 of the way to the highest level becomes Level 18. So anyone currently Level 18 and above will straight away have access to the occasional T30s from the academy. While as a level 15 I have to spend 3 levels with statistically worse drivers, i.e., until I reach Level 18. So everyone currently Level 18 upwards possibly had their hand at the most talented drivers for 6 levels and counting, while I have had the same benefit for 3 levels.

The DRS thing was merely an example highlighting the fact that some but not all managers have an issue with updates / changes that advantage the mid level drivers, while are totally fine when changes like the driver talent upgrade actively disadvantage us.

I am totally fine if T30s appear in the transfer market straight away, since those usually cost a lot, my only issue is with academies spitting out T30s to the Level 18 - Level 20s straight away, since the drivers cost less.


access to talent 30 drivers is one of those perks for higher level managers. 

So you see, it was not out of context at all


You made the whole thing about DRS when it wasn’t meant to be.


And that changes the difficulty of the path taken by different groups to get there. One group clearly benefited in the past with access to the best drivers in the game, when they were between Level 12 and Level 20. And the other group which is now between Level 12 and Level 17 is deprived of the same benefit, in this case access to T30s.

If higher level want mid level managers to experience the same progression in terms of tech (DRS specifically), why is it a crime for a mid level manager to expect the benefit of the best drivers like the higher level managers once had.

All I wish is for everyone regardless if they started playing the browser edition 10 years ago, or installs it after the update arrives, have the same path / progression.

If the talent of the existing drivers scaled exclusively and not the other attributes, then the update would have been fair to everyone.

In simpler terms we all are getting different values for the same amount of investment into the drivers which is unfair to some.

Sorry, but you are looking at this in the wrong way.  You have exactly same access to drivers at your level as everyone else did who is now a higher level.  You can’t complain that now there are potentially higher level drivers available you aren’t getting access to them as that is irrelevant.  In fact you are getting a better deal that those there were at the same level as you earlier since the power of level 30 drivers is the same as the previous level 20 making the gap between levels closer so nothing for you to complain about.


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1 year 295 days ago

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I’m aware of that and believe my points still stand.  Jose has mentioned T30 but did not say they would be available on Monday.  How will you be able to buy a T30 driver when your level is 20?  

In exacltly the same way as low level Managers buy a T20 driver today. The restriction on buying drivers is related to their level and we're talking about talent.

Currently low level academies spew out the occasional T20 driver, if the facilities are just rescaled as suggested by José why wouldn't the occasional T30 driver be generated by a L20 academy?

First of all I apologise for this exceedingly long rant, but do give it a read.


For sometime now I have been proposing that all players should have equal DRS irrespective of their tech levels. Like capped at lets say additional 20 km/h. Technology level shouldn’t influence it, as in real world.

My reason is fairly simple, it is frustrating to get passed by a Level 16+ when both have DRS. The most common response I receive to this argument by Level 18 - Level 20 managers is We have all experienced through this once so should you too. I say alright fair enough.

Now coming to the drivers, occasionally my academy Level 12 and above spits out T20 drivers, that’s 3/5 of the existing levels. Under the new setting if we assume the occasional now T30 drivers start spawning in the academy at 3/5, of the new cap L30, then I wouldn’t find any T30 until I reach Level 18. So as a Level 14 player I am subjected to 4 more levels until I get a hand at a T30 driver (supposedly the best ones), while those who are already Level 18, have been enjoying the current T20s since Level 12 and in case the T30 start spawing from 31st January, they will still have a chance at a T30.

I wonder then what happens to my version of their great argument: You guys had your chance of being benefited by the most talented drivers in game for over 6 levels, so I should too

Not to forget that the transition from Level 14 to Level 18 is a time consuming one. So no matter what the devs say about bringing more to the game, I am pretty sure it kills the same for mid level managers, if the best drivers start appearing at the same checkpoint i.e., 3/5 of the level cap.


I believe a stronger drs and boost for higher level managers is pure logic, if it’s not there, you have nothing to aspire for, no goal to fight for, no reason to keep going, no improvement path to go for.


Should you, as a lvl 14 player have access to the same yda drivers, same drs and same boost, why grind all the way up to level 20? Why have higher levels then 14 if you have it all at level 14? there would be no purpose in leveling up further.

So from a gaming point of view, higher level managers should have their perks, it makes perfect sense because you need the mid level managers to want to do the grind, you want them to slowly advance until they reach the same “weapons” as the “big boys”.

I think you underestimate the power of mid level managers advancing step by step and trying, and most importantly, improving in beating “the big boys”


You are taking what I said completely out of context. 


Yes I wish all drivers had equal DRS, but since all other higher level managers have worked their way through to the levels, Listening to their side of the argument I am a 100% fine with the fact that DRS strength is proportional to the tech level as has been the case for everyone else.

My original point was regarding the drivers with the highest talent which is now T20 and with the update will be T30.

My point is that under the current setting, T20s appear 3/5 of the way to the highest level, i.e., Level 12 academy and upward. So logic suggests Level 18 to Level 20 managers have enjoyed the benefits of having the most talented drivers drive for them, for over 6 levels now.

Now coming to the updates, if this rescales like everything else (which I am not sure of though) then 3/5 of the way to the highest level becomes Level 18. So anyone currently Level 18 and above will straight away have access to the occasional T30s from the academy. While as a level 15 I have to spend 3 levels with statistically worse drivers, i.e., until I reach Level 18. So everyone currently Level 18 upwards possibly had their hand at the most talented drivers for 6 levels and counting, while I have had the same benefit for 3 levels.

The DRS thing was merely an example highlighting the fact that some but not all managers have an issue with updates / changes that advantage the mid level drivers, while are totally fine when changes like the driver talent upgrade actively disadvantage us.

I am totally fine if T30s appear in the transfer market straight away, since those usually cost a lot, my only issue is with academies spitting out T30s to the Level 18 - Level 20s straight away, since the drivers cost less.


access to talent 30 drivers is one of those perks for higher level managers. 

So you see, it was not out of context at all


You made the whole thing about DRS when it wasn’t meant to be.


And that changes the difficulty of the path taken by different groups to get there. One group clearly benefited in the past with access to the best drivers in the game, when they were between Level 12 and Level 20. And the other group which is now between Level 12 and Level 17 is deprived of the same benefit, in this case access to T30s.

If higher level want mid level managers to experience the same progression in terms of tech (DRS specifically), why is it a crime for a mid level manager to expect the benefit of the best drivers like the higher level managers once had.

All I wish is for everyone regardless if they started playing the browser edition 10 years ago, or installs it after the update arrives, have the same path / progression.

If the talent of the existing drivers scaled exclusively and not the other attributes, then the update would have been fair to everyone.

In simpler terms we all are getting different values for the same amount of investment into the drivers which is unfair to some.



Dude, I don't understand you since when pilots have become a problem? If you want good pilots, then for this there is an auction and a special topic on the forum(if you forgot), and after the update it will become even more relevant. If this is not the problem, then what? Is that you have a level 15 and you will not be able to compete with a higher level? Or what? 
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1 year 295 days ago
1 day!
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Jim
1 day!



It's being delayed, or won't feature all features from the start, having a phased roll out ?called it a month ago?
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medal 5000
1 year 295 days ago
Cositas ???
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medal 5187
1 year 295 days ago
Why isnt there a maintenance scheduled?
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1 year 295 days ago

Dario
Jim
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It's being delayed, or won't feature all features from the start, having a phased roll out ?called it a month ago?



Source?
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1 year 295 days ago

David

Dario
Jim
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It's being delayed, or won't feature all features from the start, having a phased roll out ?called it a month ago?



Source?

Sarcasm ?


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1 year 295 days ago

Dick

David

Dario
Jim
1 day!



It's being delayed, or won't feature all features from the start, having a phased roll out ?called it a month ago?



Source?

Sarcasm ?



They forgot the time zone to be honest


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medal 5000
1 year 295 days ago
¿A qué hora se procede con la actualización?
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medal 5432
1 year 295 days ago
lol this is why you don't specify a date that you will roll out the update unless its actually ready. Rip the update
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1 year 295 days ago

Sergiy

Blavio
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Kevin
Dick

I’m aware of that and believe my points still stand.  Jose has mentioned T30 but did not say they would be available on Monday.  How will you be able to buy a T30 driver when your level is 20?  

In exacltly the same way as low level Managers buy a T20 driver today. The restriction on buying drivers is related to their level and we're talking about talent.

Currently low level academies spew out the occasional T20 driver, if the facilities are just rescaled as suggested by José why wouldn't the occasional T30 driver be generated by a L20 academy?

First of all I apologise for this exceedingly long rant, but do give it a read.


For sometime now I have been proposing that all players should have equal DRS irrespective of their tech levels. Like capped at lets say additional 20 km/h. Technology level shouldn’t influence it, as in real world.

My reason is fairly simple, it is frustrating to get passed by a Level 16+ when both have DRS. The most common response I receive to this argument by Level 18 - Level 20 managers is We have all experienced through this once so should you too. I say alright fair enough.

Now coming to the drivers, occasionally my academy Level 12 and above spits out T20 drivers, that’s 3/5 of the existing levels. Under the new setting if we assume the occasional now T30 drivers start spawning in the academy at 3/5, of the new cap L30, then I wouldn’t find any T30 until I reach Level 18. So as a Level 14 player I am subjected to 4 more levels until I get a hand at a T30 driver (supposedly the best ones), while those who are already Level 18, have been enjoying the current T20s since Level 12 and in case the T30 start spawing from 31st January, they will still have a chance at a T30.

I wonder then what happens to my version of their great argument: You guys had your chance of being benefited by the most talented drivers in game for over 6 levels, so I should too

Not to forget that the transition from Level 14 to Level 18 is a time consuming one. So no matter what the devs say about bringing more to the game, I am pretty sure it kills the same for mid level managers, if the best drivers start appearing at the same checkpoint i.e., 3/5 of the level cap.


I believe a stronger drs and boost for higher level managers is pure logic, if it’s not there, you have nothing to aspire for, no goal to fight for, no reason to keep going, no improvement path to go for.


Should you, as a lvl 14 player have access to the same yda drivers, same drs and same boost, why grind all the way up to level 20? Why have higher levels then 14 if you have it all at level 14? there would be no purpose in leveling up further.

So from a gaming point of view, higher level managers should have their perks, it makes perfect sense because you need the mid level managers to want to do the grind, you want them to slowly advance until they reach the same “weapons” as the “big boys”.

I think you underestimate the power of mid level managers advancing step by step and trying, and most importantly, improving in beating “the big boys”


You are taking what I said completely out of context. 


Yes I wish all drivers had equal DRS, but since all other higher level managers have worked their way through to the levels, Listening to their side of the argument I am a 100% fine with the fact that DRS strength is proportional to the tech level as has been the case for everyone else.

My original point was regarding the drivers with the highest talent which is now T20 and with the update will be T30.

My point is that under the current setting, T20s appear 3/5 of the way to the highest level, i.e., Level 12 academy and upward. So logic suggests Level 18 to Level 20 managers have enjoyed the benefits of having the most talented drivers drive for them, for over 6 levels now.

Now coming to the updates, if this rescales like everything else (which I am not sure of though) then 3/5 of the way to the highest level becomes Level 18. So anyone currently Level 18 and above will straight away have access to the occasional T30s from the academy. While as a level 15 I have to spend 3 levels with statistically worse drivers, i.e., until I reach Level 18. So everyone currently Level 18 upwards possibly had their hand at the most talented drivers for 6 levels and counting, while I have had the same benefit for 3 levels.

The DRS thing was merely an example highlighting the fact that some but not all managers have an issue with updates / changes that advantage the mid level drivers, while are totally fine when changes like the driver talent upgrade actively disadvantage us.

I am totally fine if T30s appear in the transfer market straight away, since those usually cost a lot, my only issue is with academies spitting out T30s to the Level 18 - Level 20s straight away, since the drivers cost less.


access to talent 30 drivers is one of those perks for higher level managers. 

So you see, it was not out of context at all


You made the whole thing about DRS when it wasn’t meant to be.


And that changes the difficulty of the path taken by different groups to get there. One group clearly benefited in the past with access to the best drivers in the game, when they were between Level 12 and Level 20. And the other group which is now between Level 12 and Level 17 is deprived of the same benefit, in this case access to T30s.

If higher level want mid level managers to experience the same progression in terms of tech (DRS specifically), why is it a crime for a mid level manager to expect the benefit of the best drivers like the higher level managers once had.

All I wish is for everyone regardless if they started playing the browser edition 10 years ago, or installs it after the update arrives, have the same path / progression.

If the talent of the existing drivers scaled exclusively and not the other attributes, then the update would have been fair to everyone.

In simpler terms we all are getting different values for the same amount of investment into the drivers which is unfair to some.



Dude, I don't understand you since when pilots have become a problem? If you want good pilots, then for this there is an auction and a special topic on the forum(if you forgot), and after the update it will become even more relevant. If this is not the problem, then what? Is that you have a level 15 and you will not be able to compete with a higher level? Or what? 

Hi, it's a game we all love to play. Whatever the developers throw at you - see it as a challenge and use your ingenuity as a manager to overcome the problems you envisage. Makes life interesting, although not necessarily easier....


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1 year 295 days ago
The update will be released shortly.

The maintenance window is set for 12:30 - 15:30 GMT. All races in this window have been postponed to prepare for any downtime required. You may find when opening the app during this period a maintenance notice in place of the game.
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medal 5000
1 year 295 days ago
Finally... Its getting released ?
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